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PrintableMuthaFunka said: IrresistibleB1tch said: hi goar-juss!    
it's like P&R Lite over here...  P&R = Great Taste! GD = Less Filling!   | |
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MuthaFunka said: IrresistibleB1tch said: hi goar-juss!
it's like P&R Lite over here... P&R = Great Taste! GD = Less Filling! Fool! | |
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: P&R = Great Taste! GD = Less Filling! Fool! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: abierman said: [snip - CarrieMpls] I'm sick & tired of you perceiving me as some bigot American. You know jackshit about me or the multicultural environment that I am from that is normal to me. Go on judging others from you own little micro cosmos, you ain't got shit on me. You know, it's interesting that you feel that I'm directing that comment to you when it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, yet you took it that way, and that pushed you to lose it and resort to a petty full-on personal attack. Speaks volumes. C'mon, that comment, in the context of that exchange, between you, abierman and missfee was directed at one person only. Admit it! | |
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mcmeekle said: MuthaFunka said: You know, it's interesting that you feel that I'm directing that comment to you when it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, yet you took it that way, and that pushed you to lose it and resort to a petty full-on personal attack. Speaks volumes. C'mon, that comment, in the context of that exchange, between you, abierman and missfee was directed at me only. Admit it!  fair enough! | |
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mcmeekle said: MuthaFunka said: You know, it's interesting that you feel that I'm directing that comment to you when it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, yet you took it that way, and that pushed you to lose it and resort to a petty full-on personal attack. Speaks volumes. C'mon, that comment, in the context of that exchange, between you, abierman and missfee was directed at one person only. Admit it! McNo, it wasn't. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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It used to bother me but not anymore.
Black filmmakers don't need some Golden Globes/Oscar to evaluate their talent. Look @ Spike Lee,,,,and look at how popular(or unpopular) he is with these shows. They're TARGETED at a certain audience; the middle class white people. So what if we're left-out from this charade? Big deal, it has always been the case since the making of Hollywood.[Edited 1/13/09 16:24pm] | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: mcmeekle said: C'mon, that comment, in the context of that exchange, between you, abierman and missfee was directed at me only. Admit it! i felt it was directed at me too.... You're worse than I am.  | |
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MuthaFunka said: mcmeekle said: C'mon, that comment, in the context of that exchange, between you, abierman and missfee was directed at one person only. Admit it! McNo, it wasn't. You threw that post out and it just happened to land in amongst that exchange.... Aye right....  | |
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mcmeekle said: IrresistibleB1tch said: i felt it was directed at me too.... has anybody mentioned me yet?  jeez, man! this is not "who is your favorite cross-eyed, 9-toed Scotsman"...[Edited 1/13/09 16:30pm] | |
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mcmeekle said: MuthaFunka said: McNo, it wasn't. You threw that post out and it just happened to land in amongst that exchange.... Aye right.... Hey, it fell where it fell. It was meant for any and every one that took it to heart. No one got called out on it, no one got singled out. Not my problem. Simple as that.  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Looking at the list for best actor nominees, it is a damn shame that Don Cheadle did not get nominated for Traitor. It was definitely a better performance than Mickey Rourke.  | |
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Harlepolis said: It used to bother me but not anymore.
Black filmmakers don't need some Golden Globes/Oscar to evaluate their talent. Look @ Spike Lee,,,,and look at how popular(or unpopular) he is with these shows. They're TARGETED at a certain audience; the middle class white people. So what if we're left-out from this charade? Big deal, it has always been the case since the making of Hollywood.
[Edited 1/13/09 16:24pm] I can dig part of that stance. But the the reason why it's important for Blacks to be recognized is because that's how a lot of "new business" for filmmakers get started. The award show may not validate that filmmaker but an award/nomination itself can generate more business for that filmmaker, and possibly more quality films to be distributed/viewed by the masses about that race. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: abierman said: [snip - CarrieMpls] I'm sick & tired of you perceiving me as some bigot American. You know jackshit about me or the multicultural environment that I am from that is normal to me. Go on judging others from you own little micro cosmos, you ain't got shit on me. You know, it's interesting that you feel that I'm directing that comment to you when it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, yet you took it that way, and that pushed you to lose it and resort to a petty full-on personal attack. Speaks volumes. Speaks volumes?? You're saying that some people don't want to deal with that reality, you said as a direct response of what I have posted.....yes, I do take that personal. What I notice is that some posters here, including you & Graycap23, are insinuating things about others, and when the shit hits the fan y'all saying that it isn't personal.....that's kinda weak in my book, my friend. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: mcmeekle said: has anybody mentioned me yet? jeez, man! this is not "who is your favorite cross-eyed, 9-toed Scotsman"...
[Edited 1/13/09 16:30pm] Cross-eyed? 
The PC term these days is Ocular Multi-directional Syndrome, thank you very much.  | |
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abierman said: MuthaFunka said: You know, it's interesting that you feel that I'm directing that comment to you when it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, yet you took it that way, and that pushed you to lose it and resort to a petty full-on personal attack. Speaks volumes. Speaks volumes?? You're saying that some people don't want to deal with that reality, you said as a direct response of what I have posted.....yes, I do take that personal. What I notice is that some posters here, including you & Graycap23, are insinuating things about others, and when the shit hits the fan y'all saying that it isn't personal.....that's kinda weak in my book, my friend. Again, if you took it that way - oh well - I can't help how you feel. That's on you. I'm done with it and moved on. Now, I supplied the info that backed my stance on "How it is" in Hollywood. The rest is on you. Do what you like. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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mcmeekle said: IrresistibleB1tch said: jeez, man! this is not "who is your favorite cross-eyed, 9-toed Scotsman"...
[Edited 1/13/09 16:30pm] Cross-eyed?
The PC term these days is Ocular Multi-directional Syndrome, thank you very much.  you talking to me? cause i can't tell! [Edited 1/13/09 16:39pm] | |
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MuthaFunka said: Harlepolis said: It used to bother me but not anymore.
Black filmmakers don't need some Golden Globes/Oscar to evaluate their talent. Look @ Spike Lee,,,,and look at how popular(or unpopular) he is with these shows. They're TARGETED at a certain audience; the middle class white people. So what if we're left-out from this charade? Big deal, it has always been the case since the making of Hollywood.
[Edited 1/13/09 16:24pm] I can dig part of that stance. But the the reason why it's important for Blacks to be recognized is because that's how a lot of "new business" for filmmakers get started. The award show may not validate that filmmaker but an award/nomination itself can generate more business for that filmmaker, and possibly more quality films to be distributed/viewed by the masses about that race. True! But it won't ever happen,,,,at least not willingly! | |
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sosgemini said: Nobody is claiming your making anything up...
...just sharing a different opinion then your. Is it an opinion if it's true?  Maybe if someone other than the NAACP says it, then it might be true?
http://www.medialit.org/r...le234.html Longstanding tradition, fear and habit govern the color of the faces you see on the screen. But pressure and negotiation encourage casting directors to break this vicious cycle.
By Rodney Mitchell Over the past decade, discontent over Hollywood's chronic failure to cast minority actors and depict minority groups fairly in both motion pictures and television has sharpened progressively. Several studies have demonstrated conclusively the under-representation of minorities in the media. They also show that time after time, black actors are cast as welfare recipients, criminals and domestic help; Asian actors as launderers and exotics; Latino actors as gang members and drug dealers; Native American actors are seldom seen at all. These facts, and the recurring criticism of industry casting decisions by media watch groups, has forced the media industry fly to reexamine the ways it traditionally has dealt with minority performers. As a result of pressure from its minority members, the Screen Actors Guild (SAG), has been thrust into the forefront of efforts to crack the problem of minority underemployment and stereotyping. Viewers may not be happy when actors go out on strike, but actual and threatened work stoppages provide needed leverage to force changes in contract provision. During the 1980 contract negotiations, SAG won the right to two vital tools in working for better minority representation on the big and tilde screens: statistical data on each studio's hiring practices and meetings with producers to open the casting process to minority actors. For the first time, we have access to reliable profiles of who has been hired for roles in all guild-sanctioned films broken down by race, sex and age. And we have the right, by contract, to challenge producers and casting directors to rethink images produced by the casting decisions they make. The Casting Process To understand what this means, you have to understand how the casting process works. It generally begins when talent agents receive a cast breakdown sheet from casting directors or producers that describes the film or program's characters. For example, a recent movie of the week contained brief descriptions of these two characters: COP: This officer questions Tyler after a tragic accident takes place... 4 lines, 1 scene. MADGE FRIEDMAN: A warm, funny, professional young woman who likes Tyler... 3 speeches and 25 lines, 7 scenes. To fill these requirements, talent agents submit photographs and resumes of clients suitable for the various roles. Casting directors and/or producers then schedule interviews and auditions with actors whose photographs or credits spark an interest. Avoiding Risks If cast breakdown sheets do not identify characters racially, and the majority don't, the so-called 'realities of the business' come into play. Longstanding industry axioms encourage many talent agents to avoid submitting minority actors unless they are specifically requested. So minority actors are denied access to even the initial interviews and auditions, which prevents them, of course, from being considered at all. "Women and minorities charge that the old boys (i.e., television execs) are boys, and almost entirely white boys at that." - Todd Gitlin, Inside Prime Time Thus, minority performers are caught up in a vicious cycle. Too many agents won't go against tradition for fear of jeopardizing opportunities for other actors and actresses they represent. Casting directors are reluctant to challenge the producers' 'view of the world" and endanger future casting contracts. And producers believe they are providing viewers with characters they want to see. In our efforts to break this cycle, the other contract right I mentioned is crucial. Since I came to this position in 1983, I've participated in more than 60 meetings with producers and studio executives to persuade them of the importance of non-traditional casting. It's a continual process of education. Our progress might seem glacial, but we are moving. There have been significant changes accelerating minority employment as well as changes in character portrayal. The problem is that we're working within a system that follows the values of society. Film and television tend to lag behind the changes that are actually occurring and they're run by people under tremendous pressure, people subject to ratings and box office scores and fearful of the loss of their own positions if they don't measure up. It's also an industry where First Amendment and creative rights play a large role and where even members of the white majority are often refused employment simply because of how they look. Changes in minority group casting will follow broader opportunities in society. I believe it also helps to initiate them by presenting models for people to see. The biggest industry boost to a fairer representation of minorities will be the popularity of films and programs containing strong, varied minority characters. But they can't be popular unless they are seen. And they can't be seen unless they are cast. Author: Rodney Mitchell is currently an assistant executive director for the Directors Guild of America. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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MuthaFunka said: abierman said: Speaks volumes?? You're saying that some people don't want to deal with that reality, you said as a direct response of what I have posted.....yes, I do take that personal. What I notice is that some posters here, including you & Graycap23, are insinuating things about others, and when the shit hits the fan y'all saying that it isn't personal.....that's kinda weak in my book, my friend. Again, if you took it that way - oh well - I can't help how you feel. That's on you. I'm done with it and moved on. Now, I supplied the info that backed my stance on "How it is" in Hollywood. The rest is on you. Do what you like. well, that's easy.....have it your way. | |
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: Which in most award nomination cases is also the same people who greenlight.  If the globes are like the Oscars it is previous winners, directors, producers, which stands to reason ain't a lot of minorities.  neither one of you are correct. The Golden Globes are chosen by the Hollywood Foriegn Press Assoc. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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IrresistibleB1tch said: mcmeekle said: Cross-eyed?
The PC term these days is Ocular Multi-directional Syndrome, thank you very much. you talking to me? cause i can't tell! [Edited 1/13/09 16:39pm] Yeah, talking to you! 
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Harlepolis said: It used to bother me but not anymore.
Black filmmakers don't need some Golden Globes/Oscar to evaluate their talent. Look @ Spike Lee,,,,and look at how popular(or unpopular) he is with these shows. They're TARGETED at a certain audience; the middle class white people. So what if we're left-out from this charade? Big deal, it has always been the case since the making of Hollywood.
[Edited 1/13/09 16:24pm] similarly it used to bother me that GOOD actors & movies aren't recognized at the Golden Globes, but only popular piles of shit.
Or that Britney is the star of the People's Choice awards. But it's the people's choice, purely about ratings. There are SOME award shows that at least attempt to recognize merit without necessarily having to have been a huge hit. That's how Herbie Hancock won last year for an album I hadn't heard of, or when Steely Dan won for Two Against Nature. Surely there are some problems with America and the system or we wouldn't have threads like this every day, but the problem with award shows goes deeper: Why do we need to give awards to rich celebrities in the first place? Their lives are their awards!! [Edited 1/13/09 16:44pm] My Legacy
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mcmeekle said: IrresistibleB1tch said: you talking to me? cause i can't tell! [Edited 1/13/09 16:39pm] Yeah, talking to you!
And keeping one eye on the clock..... yeah, your 45 minutes are about up. but you always have credit with me, Stumpy McGillicutty!  [Edited 1/13/09 16:43pm] | |
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noimageatall said: sosgemini said: Nobody is claiming your making anything up...
...just sharing a different opinion then your. Is it an opinion if it's true? Maybe if someone other than the NAACP says it, then it might be true?
Exactly! I don't get why muthafuckas get their panties in a twist when someone black states the obvious about the current and continuing state of race in Hollywood.  It's like yeah, that's how it is but pointing it out means you're bitching. WTF??? So when else are you supposed to call attention to the situation. Or maybe WE aren't supposed to. [Edited 1/13/09 16:48pm] | |
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ehuffnsd said: SCNDLS said: If the globes are like the Oscars it is previous winners, directors, producers, which stands to reason ain't a lot of minorities. neither one of you are correct. The Golden Globes are chosen by the Hollywood Foriegn Press Assoc. You shoulda kept reading. BUT I'm still right though because MOST of the members of the HFPA are NOT people of color. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: mcmeekle said: Yeah, talking to you!
And keeping one eye on the clock..... yeah, your 45 minutes are about up. but you always have credit with me, Stumpy McGillicutty!
[Edited 1/13/09 16:43pm] Nah, I've plenty time left before my credit's out, plenty of time to | |
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SCNDLS said: noimageatall said: Is it an opinion if it's true? Maybe if someone other than the NAACP says it, then it might be true?
Exactly! I don't get why muthafuckas get their panties in a twist when someone black states the obvious about the current and continuing state of race in Hollywood. It's like yeah, that's how it is but pointing out means you're bitching. WTF??? So when else are you supposed to call attention to the situation. Or maybe you WE aren't supposed to.
that bitching comment was directed at one person and one person alone: graycap23. Space for sale... | |
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mcmeekle said: IrresistibleB1tch said: yeah, your 45 minutes are about up. but you always have credit with me, Stumpy McGillicutty!
[Edited 1/13/09 16:43pm] Nah, I've plenty time left before my credit's out, plenty of time to i love you, man...  | |
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NDRU said: Harlepolis said: It used to bother me but not anymore.
Black filmmakers don't need some Golden Globes/Oscar to evaluate their talent. Look @ Spike Lee,,,,and look at how popular(or unpopular) he is with these shows. They're TARGETED at a certain audience; the middle class white people. So what if we're left-out from this charade? Big deal, it has always been the case since the making of Hollywood.
[Edited 1/13/09 16:24pm] similarly it used to bother me that GOOD actors & movies aren't recognized at the Golden Globes, but only popular piles of shit.
Or that Britney is the star of the People's Choice awards. But it's the people's choice, purely about ratings. There are SOME award shows that at least attempt to recognize merit without necessarily having to have been a huge hit. That's how Herbie Hancock won last year for an album I hadn't heard of, or when Steely Dan won for Two Against Nature. Surely there are some problems with America and the system or we wouldn't have threads like this every day, but the problem with award shows goes deeper: Why do we need to give awards to rich celebrities in the first place? Their lives are their awards!! [Edited 1/13/09 16:44pm] 'Two Against Nature' was only the most talked about reunion of 2000..... | |
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