sosgemini said:

Did I miss your point?

sosgemini said:

This proves what? Four nominations out of how many, and ONLY two of those is for ACTING??? My point is that enough actors of color are not considered for roles in MOST Hollywood films which precludes them from ever being nominated. And Slumdog Millionaire is an aberration, anyone will tell you, definitely not the typical movie that wins awards in Hollywood. Every 5-10 years a mold breaking indie flick breaks through and rarely one that's this "ethnic."
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SCNDLS said:

I guess u should be happy with this sad ass list.

does the blackout mean someone is going to die???

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, and I just checked and there were SEVENTY-FIVE nominations for ACTING and only two were black. Which goes back to my point that, in general, actors of color, are not cast in the first place so how can they ever be nominated?

http://www.goldenglobes.o...minations/
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This year the second biggest grossing indie african american film was released: Secret Lives of Bees.

Last year Queen Latifah won, and Denzel Washington was nominated.

Two years ago Jennifer Hudson and Eddie Murphy and the multi cultured Mexico centric Babel won Golden Globes.Rinko Kikuchi, Adriana Barraza, Sophie Okonedo, Masi Oka and Chiwetel Ejiofor were all nominated.


and before that? oh, morgan freeman and jaime foxx.

is there equality in representation? no...but to bitch at awards shows for the lack of representation? well, it's getting tired and old...

but if that's the vessel you choose to use, more power to you.

sosgemini said:

Please.....should I be happy about this list?
Your perspective on this issue speaks volumes.
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SCNDLS said:

Ok I have a problem with this premise. So are you saying that black actors have to be equal to white actors and that is the standard or bar they should set for themselves? That if a black film gets recognized by the oscars or the GGs then it is an acceptable film but if it gets snubbed then it automatically is deemed sub-standard? I'm sorry but when did White equal Right?

Tyler Perry has already been around for over 10 years and has films in production as we speak- the man's net worth is estimated at over 200 million then you count his production company and television projects and the rights he has to those then his worth tripples. More people have seen his films than have seen many films that were nominated at this years GGs. Celebs like Oprah, Quincey, Denzel and Spike have come out to praise him and his work...he is only just beginning to make an impact in Hollywood and if his films continue to make a profit as they have been doing then he could reach the status of say a Steven Speilberg or Ridley Scott over these next 10 years- assuming he even wants that. HIs film "The Family that Preys" featured oscar winner Kathy Bates. Doesn't everybody have to start somewhere? Even with major studio backing...films still and often do flop. Major studio backing does not guarantee a hit film , wide distribution or hit career for the participants.

I don't suscribe to the notion that you have to compare and be on par with what white people in the industry do cuz there are alot of white actors struggling and many white film makers whose projects never see the light of day. That's why we have independent filmmakers and venues like the Sundance Film Festival. that's why many projects go straight to DVD. It doesn't always have to be about the Oscars or the box office smash. If I were a black actor just starting out...I would be greatful and humbled to star in a Tyler Perry production versus not working at all or playing some hooker/junkie thief in some low budget predominantly white collaboration. Its not about the grown up table...every one sits there...its about the food!!

Graycap23 said:

Of course not...this is your vessel to bitch and moan...just like the multitude of other topics/threads you choose to show your contrarian self in. this is your soapbox. rant on...rant on.

enjoy!!

Graycap23 said:

I challenge you to come with a better list.....like Sos already said: why bitch if there is a lack of representation??


Mutha, who is doing the 'locking-out' of black talent??? Please do come with hard proof instead of some black/white conspiracy BS.....

sosgemini said:

abierman said:

Can u please point 2 some "bitching".....please. I ONLY see it from U & Sos.

DesireeNevermind said:

and let's not forget that the world top box office draw...the worlds biggest box office draw is Will Smith, who along with his wife, is producing african american themed films that would never have seen the light of day previously. (ie, bees and 7 pounds)...heck, even beyonce's cadillac records was directed by an african american woman....so was bee's.

are things perfect? no...but each year we are seeing significant growth IMHO...i ain't gonna bitch about one year after almost a decade of african american's winning golden globes.

sosgemini said:

Well said No one is saying that Hollywood is perfect when it comes to representing non whites but it sure has improved and if this year wasn't ideal...so what? Maybe next year there will be more to choose from. Imagine if Dream Girls or that Bees movie never got made. Its still in the hands of the directors, writers and producers to bring forth the creativity and market and sell it.

DesireeNevermind said:

So according 2 U and your cohort.....we should NOT be discussing this?

DesireeNevermind said:

I don't think that "white" equals right but in the entertainment world there are certain standards that all actors, directors, and producers strive to meet. And winning Golden Globes and Oscars are part of that measuring stick. For better or worse. Which is why when a black person wins an Oscar it's a HUGE deal especially to the winning actor. Most actors want the opportunity to do their work under the best circumstances and to be acknowledged for their work at the highest levels. And that ain't by getting an NAACP award. Like I said, I believe that we do need to start our own shit but I don't think we should be excluded from the existing establishment which we helped build in the first place.
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Graycap23 said:

here we go:

Graycap23 said:

Graycap23 said:

in fact you're not contributing to this topic at all, only baiting.....and all you do is projecting question that you've been asked on others....it's sad, really.

Graycap23 said:

For almost the past ten years a minority member has walked away with a win. one year does not make a pattern...especially when a film like Slumdog Millionaire wins...(and let's not forget the spanish themed Vicki Barcelon won too). Or two year ago when a film like DreamGirls won. Or that same year when a film like Babel wins...

Now, if next year and the following no one gets nominated or wins, maybe we got a pattern...but today, it just sounds like trying to use an old argument that no longer has a basis in reality...
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Graycap23 said:

No, but the fact is that you are NOT discussion, my friend.....

sosgemini said:

Who mentioned anything about a pattern?

Graycap23 said:

i did...

Graycap23 said:

are we splitting hairs here, why don't you come with a better answer than that?? It is clear what SOS meant.....

sosgemini said:

Talk about no basis in reality.

abierman said:

baiting?.....

Graycap23 said:

Flame snipped- Mars23 is this how we are getting our kicks?

sosgemini said:

There's still an average of only 2 nominations out of 75. That's a pretty consistent pattern IMO. To me that says that black actors are not being cast in QUALITY movies and/or those doing the nominating are not casting their net wide enough to recognize performances by more black actors not featured in major releases.

BTW how many acting awards have Will Smith won?

Graycap23 said:

cohort nuthin...discuss what you like but stay within reality. the reality is out of all the films released in 2008 and the limited number of slots/films to be recognized at the 2009 GGs, there wasn't enuf black to go around and it wasn't intentional, not a consipiracy or slap in the face. It was no one's fault except the writers, directors and producers both black and non black who didn't put out GG material featuring prominent black faces. That could have been by choice. I don't think every director or actor chooses his/her scripts based on whether they will win an award or not or whether there will be a public outcry of lack of ethnic representation. I think their first thought is ...will people like it, is there a message or story here, can i pull it off. And not only was there a black out as you put it, there was a asian out, hispanic out, gay out, women out, animation out etc. And whens' the last time you saw the handicapped community adequately represented in film Huh? The big screen is not the place you want to look for acceptance, represenation, and a means to measure status within society. Now TV...that's where the visual power is and there is plenty of everyone on TV. Put it in peoples homes right over the dinner table mate.

Graycap23 said:

review your posts on this thread, you are not getting to the point anytime.....being suggestive all the time.

sosgemini said:

personal attack snipped - Mars23

SCNDLS said:

2 nominations...this year. i pointed out how many minorities were nominated during the Babel/Dreamgirls year.

How many acting awards has Smith won? Are talking Golden Globes only? He has been nominated for a slew of awards but has yet to win any majors... Here's a list of his nominations and wins:

http://www.imdb.com/name/...226/awards

but, heck..the guy is just starting out making "serious films" that merit consideration...if you ask me, the guy seems to be on a serious mission to win an Oscar...it will happen. watch.