Dada

then

Hipsters

then

Beatniks

birthed the idea of Hippies
[Edited 1/10/09 12:35pm]

Teacher said:

Like I said, I don't know what sort of people you've been encountering, but I have never known a hippie that didn't work in some way. Those that don't wish to contribute to capitalism find some creative, off-the-books way to do it, but they do all work.

As for that bolded sentence? I just have to laugh. Other, harder drugs can have that effect, for sure. But things like pot and shrooms? Sure. What else did you learn from Reefer Madness? I bet you think potheads are all crazy, jazz-dancing murderers too.

meow85 said:

No. I just think they're idiots.

Teacher said:

That sounds more like drug abuse/addiction than drug use

ThirdandFinal said:

There is no such thing to me. Drugs ARE bad, for yourself and for those around you.

meow85 said:

Well, you're an exception, Meow most people don't look at it like you do,,,,,just take a look @ this thread

Personally, I have NEVER encountered with a hippie.

I mean once I met somebody who doesn't shave and who has a somewhat of a peculiar odor(with an occasional taste for "the chief") but he was filthy rich,,,,and as he(or the folks around him) put it, he doesn't give a flying fuck so I don't think the thought of him not looking acceptable bothered him,,,,,he can afford it, as far as I'm concern.

CarrieMpls said:

agreed!

Teacher said:

What counts as "drugs"? Heroin? Meth? Acid? Ecstasy? Weed? Prozac? Penicillin? Aspirin? St. John's Wort? Tea tree oil? Chamomile?

I don't think it's black-and-white at all.

tackam said:

I know you don't, and you are one of the few people I respect despite of it. I'll clarify it by saying "addictive substances" then.

'Never trust a hippie!'

- Johnny Rotten, 1979

Teacher said:

And you're free to think that. But don't bring falsehoods up to support your argument.

meow85 said:

These aren't falsehoods. Drugs ARE bad, there is no contending that. If they weren't people wouldn't die from using/abusing them, it's as easy as that.

Teacher said:

Do you drink coffee, tea, or carbonated beverages? Smoke cigarettes? Indulge in foods like chocolate or turkey, which have proven addictive chemicals?

What about addictive behaviours, even sociall acceptable ones, like exercise?

KatSkrizzle said:

meow85 said:

Out of those, only smoking kills. And no, I don't smoke. Never have.

They are ok, but if they are too radical they get get on my nerves

Teacher said:

speshul

Teacher said:

You said that one of the first things stoners (assuming you mean people who smoke marijuana) disregard is personal hygiene. Sorry, but that's a load of bull.

People also die from using and abusing perfectly legal things, like golf ball washers (check the Darwin awards!) and motor vehicles, not to mention legal addictive substances like alcohol and nicotine -both of which are immeasurably more harmful than THC.

When it comes to the soft drugs, just like alcohol, the harm done depends on the individual. Most people handle them just fine, and it neither interferes with their person nor their livelihood. It's true there are some who can't handle themselves and overdo their intake, or allow their use to become a problem, but just like with alcohol those people are not the majority.

JasmineFire said:

I call those "trustafarians." They try to front like they're all down for peace and love, don't work at all, or work at bizarre pseudo-jobs, smoke pot, etc. but are bankrolled by a trust fund so they can travel around and play "hippie" in different places.


I'm not a big fan of patchouli, not bathing regularly, or communal living so I tend to not have any 'hippie' friends.

meow85 said:

Assuming...yes you are. This is not an argument really, you really seem to think that the people that suffer from THC-induced psychosis don't exist whereas I've met some. Unfortunately, my good friend took his life while in a paranoid state.

Teacher said:

some people are allergic to shellfish.
There should be a law banning all people from consuming shellfish.

Teacher said:

Alcohol abuse kills people and destroys lives every day. Do you ever drink?

Caffeine abuse impairs mental functioning, motor skills, and causes high blood pressure and heart palpitations. Do you drink coffee, tea, or soda/pop?

Chocolate produces a euphoria-like high, and foods like turkey cause drowsiness making driving, among other activities, dangerous after a point.

Do you abstain from all of these? If so, kudos to you for standing by your principles. If not, take a look at what you've just said about "addictive substances" and see if you don't want to revise your position a little. It's not as black and white as you seem to want to believe.

The point is, overuse or abuse of just about any substance can be dangerous, not just those substances Nancy Reagan and a horde of cartoon characters commanded us all to Just Say No to. But just like not everyone who drinks is a gin-soaked lush, the majority of people who smoke pot are not perma-fried brain damaged druggies.

Teacher said:

Did I say it didn't exist? Believe me, I know all too well what can happen to a person who abuses pot.

But you're ignoring the fact that, just like how most people who drink are not alcoholics nor will they be, most people who smoke pot will not fry themselves.

horatio said:

Same logic, really.

Some people abuse alcohol. We should just ban it.

Oh wait, that didn't work...

meow85 said:

I was being sarcastic, hence my "...". I think a majority of the Manson family were wannabe hippies.

And the hippies that I know are posers, not because they were not raised as hippies, but because I personally know they adopted a lifestyle just so they can call themselves something. I think they get self righteous because deep down they know this is not who they really are.

I think the whole idea of peace, love and understanding is great but the message got skewed somewhere along the way when it all became about appearances. Some people would rather look the part than play the part.

meow85 said:

you didn't exactly answer her question either.. she did ask ..

this is what webster has as a definition..

Main Entry: hip·pie
Variant(s): or hip·py \ˈhi-pē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural hippies
Etymology: 4hip + -ie
Date: 1965
: a usually young person who rejects the mores of established society (as by dressing unconventionally or favoring communal living) and advocates a nonviolent ethic ; broadly : a long-haired unconventionally dressed young person
[Edited 1/10/09 14:30pm]

JuliePurplehead said:

I think that's probably true with every segment of society. It's easier to talk the talk than it is to walk the walk. After all, if you can tell people what a good person you are, you don't need to put in the effort of actually being one.

meow85 said:

Caffeine actually enhances motor skills and mental functioning, especially in mathematics. It does also contribute to heart palpitations and the like.

It's also been proven that the tryptophan in turkey doesn't cause significant drowsiness...it's usually the heavy Thanksgiving meal that's the true culprit. I've never heard of anyone being pulled over for driving under the influence of turkey.

Chocolate does enhance mood but I wouldn't go as far as calling it an euphoria-like high. I think that would take a very very large amount of chocolate.

I understand what you're trying to say but your examples are a bit off.

I also understand what Teacher is trying to say. I've read many of Teacher's past threads about her life and I feel like I understand where she's coming from as well. She has a good point.

JasmineFire said:

that doesnt mean one persons experience should chastise everyone else from having their own.

horatio said:

You presume I give a fuck what others do - I don't, if they want to drug themselves they can do it, but I won't help - neither to approve, enable or treat. People don't need my approval, meow asked what people have against hippies and I said. Easy.