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Printablekimrachell said: i was kidnapped and nearly killed years ago, and let me tell you, if you've never been a victim of a crime, you truly cannot understand! i have no mercy for people that do this type of thing to innocent kids!   I am so sorry. | |
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chillichocaholic said: Look guys we could argue this until we are blue in the face, but all of us have different views on what should be done and an awful lot of people, like me, who have been the victims themselfves of such crimes are going to have a different opinion form others...
I have zero desire to change anyone's mind on this subject.I seriously doubt any of us is going to change another persons mind and I can see both sides of why someone would want to react with violence against these sex offenders and why some would want to take a more calm and logical approach. Don't think for one second that my intital and immediate response is to not want to kick the living shit out of some asshole who richly deserves it, of course it would be 
But then the rational side of me kicks in and I would prefer that they were served justice in some other way. I think what we need to remember is that however u want to look at it something needs to be done because really most sexual offenders(and I did not say all) are repeat offenders. I have seen documentarys with some of these people saying things like one predator said to a reporter.. " If I see an 8 year old girl dressed all cute in a suit like u are now, its the same to me as seeing an adult woman dressed that way and I want to sleep with her" SOme of these men even said they should NEVER be allowed out of jail because they will definantly re-offend, and these are men that have been to counselling. So I suppose my point here is that while some foldks seem to be implying that should not necessarily "rot in jail" etc...maybe u should be asking some of these offenders what they think we should do with them, u might be surprised [Edited 1/10/09 3:21am][/ I really need to type slower [b][Edited 1/10/09 3:23am] | |
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If we wanted to talk about true justice, then this girl would decide what would happen to her parents. | |
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kimrachell said: i was kidnapped and nearly killed years ago, and let me tell you, if you've never been a victim of a crime, you truly cannot understand! i have no mercy for people that do this type of thing to innocent kids!
I am so sorry you had to go through that. | |
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Another story of a man with a penis and a woman with a vagina who make a baby!!! I still stand by my idea of everybody SHOULD NOT HAVE CHILDREN!!!! I work in the mental health field and the stories of abused guts is enough to push you over the edge I don't care who you are!!!
I HATE woman who put any damn peice OF A MAN before their child!!!! Okay let's not kill them!!! Lets cut out her uterus, overies, and fallopain tubs and cut of his nuts and penis and feed them to the neighbors pitbulls!!! Now throw them in gnereal population at Rikers Island and be done with them!!! See they are still alive and can NEVER bring another life into this world!!! Meantime I have seen these kids grow up and either be a menance to society or turn into drug addicts have kids and repeat the abuse!!! NOBODY WINS HERE!!!!! MuthaFunker have I told you lately that I LOVE YOU MAN!!!!! | |
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I mean really it keeps me in a job but their lives are messed up beyond repair. 85% of the clients here report being sexually or physically abuse!!! I am looking for another job as I can't take it anymore!! No I don't see the clients but I have read through their case files and it ALWAYS leaves me in tears for real!!! | |
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Seriously I have never been abused as a child in anyway so I can't even pretend to understand but since I took this job I was already a liscensed gun owner and a hunter but this job has made me HATE religion and the justice system on so many levels I can't even begin to tell you about it!! | |
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CarrieMpls said: MuthaFunka said: Hey, that's your right to think so. Those that know me - know otherwise. So it has to happen to someone else for them to speak on how they'd react (since you don't agree), but we're to accept you at your word?  Nope. Show me where I said "You HAVE to take me for my word". I never did. I said that's YOUR CHOICE to do so or not. That's it. I could give a shit if anyone takes my word but there are some people here who REALLY care if someone takes their word or not. It's not that deep for me.  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Vendetta1 said: MuthaFunka said: Fuck his debt. Exactly. Jail is too good for these sick muthafuckas. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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tackam said: paintedlady said: I guess if you are looking to blame God for something then that would be a good place to start. With God all things are possible, so I CAN have it both ways.  
No, you can't. Either your god is omniscient (knows everything that has ever happened and will ever happen), OR you can have free will. Not both. If your god knows your future when it creates you, then in deciding to create you, it decides to create everything that you will ever do. In this guy's case, that would include raping his daughter. "With God all things are possible" is one of those lines of bullshit that people rehearse to themselves in order to shut their brains off. Religion REQUIRES you to decide to be stupid. I think I sleep better in a world where there are no gods but there are a few bad people, then I would in a world where there was the sort of god who would create bad people. Smooches. | |
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tackam said: As for those of you who think this guy should be burned at the stake and any of us who disagree are amoral freaks, I'd like to suggest that the proper role of the criminal justice system is not punishment. It's isolation.
Punishment implies a moral judgment that I do NOT want my government to make. I do not want to live in a nation that uses death as revenge against its citizens. I want to live in a civilized nation that removes dangerous people from the rest of us so we can go about our lives. What criminals "deserve" is irrelevant to my life, as I'm not in the business of making that kind of judgment, and should be irrelevant to my government. Hearing about this kind of thing makes most of us furious, but it doesn't HAVE to make us into savages.  And more smooches. | |
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Cloudbuster said: tackam said: As for those of you who think this guy should be burned at the stake and any of us who disagree are amoral freaks, I'd like to suggest that the proper role of the criminal justice system is not punishment. It's isolation.
Punishment implies a moral judgment that I do NOT want my government to make. I do not want to live in a nation that uses death as revenge against its citizens. I want to live in a civilized nation that removes dangerous people from the rest of us so we can go about our lives. What criminals "deserve" is irrelevant to my life, as I'm not in the business of making that kind of judgment, and should be irrelevant to my government. Hearing about this kind of thing makes most of us furious, but it doesn't HAVE to make us into savages. And more smooches. Where's my damn smooches??? J/K | |
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Cloudbuster said: tackam said: As for those of you who think this guy should be burned at the stake and any of us who disagree are amoral freaks, I'd like to suggest that the proper role of the criminal justice system is not punishment. It's isolation.
Punishment implies a moral judgment that I do NOT want my government to make. I do not want to live in a nation that uses death as revenge against its citizens. I want to live in a civilized nation that removes dangerous people from the rest of us so we can go about our lives. What criminals "deserve" is irrelevant to my life, as I'm not in the business of making that kind of judgment, and should be irrelevant to my government. Hearing about this kind of thing makes most of us furious, but it doesn't HAVE to make us into savages. And more smooches. Still totally over you! "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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Vendetta1 said: tackam said: As for those of you who think this guy should be burned at the stake and any of us who disagree are amoral freaks, I'd like to suggest that the proper role of the criminal justice system is not punishment. It's isolation.
I have no problem with anyone that disagrees with me. I just have first hand experience and I would like people to know where I got my point of view on this and at least try to understand why I feel the way I do.Punishment implies a moral judgment that I do NOT want my government to make. I do not want to live in a nation that uses death as revenge against its citizens. I want to live in a civilized nation that removes dangerous people from the rest of us so we can go about our lives. What criminals "deserve" is irrelevant to my life, as I'm not in the business of making that kind of judgment, and should be irrelevant to my government. Hearing about this kind of thing makes most of us furious, but it doesn't HAVE to make us into savages. I too had first hand experience but I've no wish to see these people killed. | |
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shanti0608 said: Cloudbuster said: And more smooches. Where's my damn smooches??? And totally not over you.  "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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shanti0608 said: Cloudbuster said: And more smooches.
Where's my damn smooches??? J/K Hey you.
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tackam said: shanti0608 said: Where's my damn smooches??? And totally not over you.
To both of you beautiful peeps! | |
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tackam said: Cloudbuster said: And more smooches.
Still totally over you!  | |
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toots said: As a parent myself and a victim of rape(age 9 by a uncle), I think and yes this is out of anger of both sides...
I agree with many of these people to taking them outside and shooting them BUT yet IMHO that death would be too quick for them, they took away that childs sence of well....EVERYTHING, very slowly. They should have it slow and painful as well. Say for instance, skinning them alive then pelting them to death with small stones(Keep in mind that is the anger part of me speaking, and gory as well) As a parent, HOW in the fuck can a parent do this to their child? If your a parent YOU KNOW to protect them with every inch of your life from those kinds of things. Please allow me to express more of my anger in emoticons about the topic:          
And for the parents who did this to this child a BIG(yes I KNOW they wont read this again the anger of it) 
I feel so much for the child 
Things like this are enough to make my blood boil 
I know if ANTYHING was to happen to my daughter I would be glad to go to jail with a smile on my face with the shackles on, cause I would of put that SOB 6 ft under. Thank you for allowing me to express myself. [Edited 1/10/09 10:12am] Is that wise though? I think it would be worse for your child to go through that abuse and then to lose you due to your vengeance. It might make them question why they told anyone about the incident since it caused them to lose you-the one they love, trust and need the most. They will need you with them as a comforter and a support system. You can't really do that in prison Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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BlueZebra said: Cloudbuster said: Well according to the masses those sick, demented people were created by a God who knew full well in advance every action his creations would take.
He's all knowing, you know. So there goes your free will and God is obviously to blame. You can't have it both ways. I love you. | |
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LiquidGold said: toots said: As a parent myself and a victim of rape(age 9 by a uncle), I think and yes this is out of anger of both sides...
I agree with many of these people to taking them outside and shooting them BUT yet IMHO that death would be too quick for them, they took away that childs sence of well....EVERYTHING, very slowly. They should have it slow and painful as well. Say for instance, skinning them alive then pelting them to death with small stones(Keep in mind that is the anger part of me speaking, and gory as well) As a parent, HOW in the fuck can a parent do this to their child? If your a parent YOU KNOW to protect them with every inch of your life from those kinds of things. Please allow me to express more of my anger in emoticons about the topic:
And for the parents who did this to this child a BIG(yes I KNOW they wont read this again the anger of it)
I feel so much for the child
Things like this are enough to make my blood boil
I know if ANTYHING was to happen to my daughter I would be glad to go to jail with a smile on my face with the shackles on, cause I would of put that SOB 6 ft under. Thank you for allowing me to express myself. [Edited 1/10/09 10:12am] Is that wise though? I think it would be worse for your child to go through that abuse and then to lose you due to your vengeance. It might make them question why they told anyone about the incident since it caused them to lose you-the one they love, trust and need the most. They will need you with them as a comforter and a support system. You can't really do that in prison Can you distinquish between fantasy and reality from my post? I clearly stated what state of mind I was in. IF you read the other posts others are saying they should be shot too. Therefore I KNOW there are parents in this thread that may have the same thoughts, we can think it dont mean we can go out and do such thing. THAT is the difference between fantasy and reality. [Edited 1/10/09 12:52pm] Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song 
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toots said: LiquidGold said: Is that wise though? I think it would be worse for your child to go through that abuse and then to lose you due to your vengeance. It might make them question why they told anyone about the incident since it caused them to lose you-the one they love, trust and need the most. They will need you with them as a comforter and a support system. You can't really do that in prison Can you distinquish between fantasy and reality from my post? I clearly stated what state of mind I was in. [Edited 1/10/09 12:50pm] Yes. Was what you said a fantasy? The part I bolded? Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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Cloudbuster said: Vendetta1 said: I have no problem with anyone that disagrees with me. I just have first hand experience and I would like people to know where I got my point of view on this and at least try to understand why I feel the way I do.
I too had first hand experience but I've no wish to see these people killed.
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Vendetta1 said: Cloudbuster said: I too had first hand experience but I've no wish to see these people killed. I wish I could feel like you.
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LiquidGold said: toots said: Can you distinquish between fantasy and reality from my post? I clearly stated what state of mind I was in. [Edited 1/10/09 12:50pm] Yes. Was what you said a fantasy? The part I bolded? read the edited version your too quick to type Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song
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toots said: LiquidGold said: Yes. Was what you said a fantasy? The part I bolded? read the edited version your too quick to type Oh. GotchaUnder certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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purplesweat said: SUPRMAN said: No, I am not blind. You can't believe in differing views? Really? What does being vengeful do? Does it prevent harm to anyone else? Only by that individual. There are six and half billion others with the same potential to harm. They aren't monsters. They have neighbors, co-workers, etc. Just like the rest of us except in how they treated their child. Differing views on THIS subject only. Any other, except murder, I'd be glad to hear a different opinion. Does it prevent harm? With the amount of pedophiles that are free, yes, it does prevent harm. Check out that watch dog site, look up where you live and tell me the amount of pedophiles living in your area doesn't make you even a little uncomfortable. Wait, they aren't monsters because they have neighbors? What the hell are you talking about? I really can't believe you're justifying what they did because apparently other people are capable of it. Yeah, no shit, that doesn't excuse them. Nothing does. I am not justifying what they did. Only saying they aren't monsters, they are human beings. Sin becomes mighty relative when it comes to acts, situations, scenarios, etc., that someone doesn't like or disagrees with. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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purplesweat said: SUPRMAN said: No, I am not blind. You can't believe in differing views? Really? What does being vengeful do? Does it prevent harm to anyone else? Only by that individual. There are six and half billion others with the same potential to harm. They aren't monsters. They have neighbors, co-workers, etc. Just like the rest of us except in how they treated their child. Differing views on THIS subject only. Any other, except murder, I'd be glad to hear a different opinion. Does it prevent harm? With the amount of pedophiles that are free, yes, it does prevent harm. Check out that watch dog site, look up where you live and tell me the amount of pedophiles living in your area doesn't make you even a little uncomfortable. Wait, they aren't monsters because they have neighbors? What the hell are you talking about? I really can't believe you're justifying what they did because apparently other people are capable of it. Yeah, no shit, that doesn't excuse them. Nothing does. By the way, most victims of sexual abuse know their attacker. So it's not the neighbor I need to watch, it's family and friends who are the majority of the abusers, so the registry has it's place but it's not protection. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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chillichocaholic said: Look guys we could argue this until we are blue in the face, but all of us have different views on what should be done and an awful lot of people, like me, who have been the victims themselfves of such crimes are going to have a different opinion form others...
I seriously doubt any of us is going to change another persons mind and I can see both sides of why someone would want to react with violence against these sex offenders and why some would want to take a more calm and logical approach. Don't think for one second that my intital and immediate response is to not want to kick the living shit out of some asshole who richly deserves it, of course it would be
But then the rational side of me kicks in and I would prefer that they were served justice in some other way. I think what we need to remember is that however u want to look at it something needs to be done because really most sexual offenders(and I did not say all) are repeat offenders. I have seen documentarys with some of these people saying things like one predator said to a reporter.. " If I see an 8 year old girl dressed all cute in a suit like u are now, its the same to me as seeing an adult woman dressed that way and I want to sleep with her" SOme of these men even said they should NEVER be allowed out of jail because they will definantly re-offend, and these are men that have been to counselling. So I suppose my point here is that while some foldks seem to be implying that should not necessarily "rot in jail" etc...maybe u should be asking some of these offenders what they think we should do with them, u might be surprised [Edited 1/10/09 3:21am][/ I really need to type slower [b][Edited 1/10/09 3:23am] I posted an article here in the org last year with their comments on how they should be punished. The price I feel I've paid as a victim of abuse is incalculable. But so is the weight of carrying it. "Want to forget/But it's all over me." I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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MuthaFunka said: Number23 said: Holy and PC? Diametric opposites to me, my good man. The only person I feel actually worth a self-rightous kill is Yahweh himself. Not that he exists, but, y'know.Bruh, one thing I've learned in life is that it's so easy for people to say what they THINK they do in a particular situation but the moment that situation is upon us...the "plan" flies right out the door and "reality" steps in. well said...but I've read through this whole thread and all of the comments, whether wanting to kill or not, and it's also a comment that cuts both ways...because just as you propose that a parent who's child suffered through something this heinous would probably kill the SOB that did it after professing and pontificating how they wouldn't, it is just as likely that those who chirp about how quickly they'd pull the trigger would probably freeze at the moment of truth... ...I've got three different perspectives on this thing... first off, it was the child's OWN parents that did this to her...not an outsider, so IMHO injecting my own children into the equation doesn't apply because I wouldn't do something like this...secondly, if something like this DID happen to my child, I wouldn't want to compound the situation by either getting myself arrested and imprisoned or, worse still, killed by the police trying to impart justice...and lastly, being in the military and having spent some time in a warzone, I've heard a lot of the same tough talk about "taking those ragheads out back and blah blah blah", only to see the same toughtalkers piss their pants and become absolutely useless to their buddies because the true person underneath the bravado rises to the top.... ...and yes, before the question comes, I've been both the victim of a couple armed robberies on the street...and I had a cousin who was raped, beaten, and killed in her own apartment...and I had to watch my aunt deal with many of the same emotions and feelings being discussed here...in the end, as much as she wanted to avenge her daughter, she allowed the justice system to do its job...and while it may have taken a long time (15 years after the crime they finally put someone away for it) when the day came, she felt she was the better person for it... just my two cents on the whole thing... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
(George Eliot) the video for the above... 
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