Flowers2 said:

This is true. The inmates basically run the prisons. My cousin was a Captain at Rikers Island for years and now retired. My other cousin is still working there, and yes many guards turn a blind eye, from what my retired cousin told me.

If they put those parents in general population then they will certainly be in trouble. Because this case made the media, and other inmates will know about them before they get there. I have a feeling that once convicted, they will probably be in protective custody in the beginning until things wind down. They need to be in prison for a long time. So sad that her parents did that to her. Just sick.

kimrachell said:

Im glad ure still here kimrachell And I truly feel for what u went through

chillichocaholic said:

thanks!

kimrachell said:

Thank goodness you made it out alive. I can imagine how horrific that was for you. My 15 year old niece who lives in Missouri, was snatched while walking home from school, and pulled into a van and raped a couple of years ago. Thank God the guy let her go. They found the suspect after he managed to rape another girl one week later. The sick son-of-a-b*tch is still in jail. You're right though, unless you're a victim of this type of crime or it happened to a child in your family, then you will never know what it's like, and I agree with you, I have no mercy for anyone who commits that type of crime, and I have no guilt whatsoever for feeling that way about it.

MuthaFunka said:

You're not saying differently unless you say vengeance is going to change the past.
Rid them from society by putting them in prison for life.

chillichocaholic said:

We agree he's a sex offender.
I also understand your reluctance to see him around children.
But how do you tell someone that they can't have a child?
How do you enforce it?
That decision isn't too intimate to be up for social review?

SUPRMAN said:

No, "saying differently" means I STILL want them dead regardless of changing what's already been done.

SUPRMAN said:

I don't know the answer to any of those questions, I wish I did. I guess my only comment would be sterilisiation, but then that brings up a whole other set of arguments and human rights issues I really dont have the qualifications to go into.
Maybe it would be an idea if they removed the child from his custody? They remove children from parents that are violent and drug users do they not?
All I can say is he will never be in contact with my children

chillichocaholic said:

But can anyone guarantee he is a threat to the child? How? Based on his past?
Don't we mature and change?

SUPRMAN said:

U would have to ask his caretakes that. His mother has had problems with his behaviour his whole life and he can be very violent.
Yes some people mature and change...and some dont. There are no gaurentees on anything. He says having a child has woken him up...he is 18 now...that remains to be seen, but let me ask u this...
would u leave ure child alone with him?

SUPRMAN said:

Yes, I've noticed those saying these monsters should get to keep their lives seem to be particularly invested in that wonderful book called The Bible.

Anyway, what the hell is the different between life in prison (or rotting to death in prison) and the death penalty? Either way, they die!

It's funny you're trying to justify their apparent "right to live" when wanting them to rot in a jail cell is really no "life" or "second chance".

chillichocaholic said:

Sorry you have to keep explaining this to such blind people, Chilli.

I can't believe there is even discussion about this subject or that people could have differing views on monsters like them.

I wouldn't fully trust that 18 y.o - does his wife know? I assume she would, I don't know how anyone lives with that!

chillichocaholic said:

Why take the chance, knowing what I know? That's the protection part, so no I would not leave my child with him but I am not assuming he would be a threat to his own child, even given the fact that some parents, probably most, are a threat to their childrens' well being at times.

purplesweat said:

But being a proven threat to society, they can't be free. Prison is the best reprieve I can give them. If God wants them dead, I defer to HIM to strike them anytime HE chooses.

purplesweat said:

No, I am not blind.
You can't believe in differing views? Really?
What does being vengeful do? Does it prevent harm to anyone else? Only by that individual. There are six and half billion others with the same potential to harm.
They aren't monsters. They have neighbors, co-workers, etc. Just like the rest of us except in how they treated their child.

purplesweat said:

oh, I haven't touched a bible since I was 12 I also don't believe letting them 'rot in jail' is a solution. Which doesn't mean they shouldn't be isolated from society. Sure we, as human beings, can find a way to make them pay back their immense debt to society.

The killing part is my problem. This is (however you explain it) about vengeance, which imho isn't a valid driver for making decisions. How exactly are you going to make sure that (in all cases, not just this one) you have the correct person ? What if there is a 5% chance that the person didn't do it ?
There've been people convicted and fried my unanimous jury decision, only to find out that not all evidence was considered and someone else did it. CAN YOU LIVE WITH THAT ?

Sure, you're gonna say yes, you're only 18yo.






(look, I generalized, just like you are doing. There's the big difference between making an emotional decision and a just decision. That's what I'm saying).

SUPRMAN said:

The best? They don't deserve the best of anything.

SUPRMAN said:

Differing views on THIS subject only. Any other, except murder, I'd be glad to hear a different opinion.

Does it prevent harm? With the amount of pedophiles that are free, yes, it does prevent harm. Check out that watch dog site, look up where you live and tell me the amount of pedophiles living in your area doesn't make you even a little uncomfortable.

Wait, they aren't monsters because they have neighbors? What the hell are you talking about?

I really can't believe you're justifying what they did because apparently other people are capable of it. Yeah, no shit, that doesn't excuse them. Nothing does.

BlueZebra said:

Heh, only a matter of time before my age is brought into it. *sigh*

I agree with you moreso than the others here, because you're not going on about "Christ's mercy" and crap like that. But in this case they know 100% these two did it...

I do get iffy about the death penalty in terms of the wrong person getting convicted, but not in this case.

Look guys we could argue this until we are blue in the face, but all of us have different views on what should be done and an awful lot of people, like me, who have been the victims themselfves of such crimes are going to have a different opinion form others...
I seriously doubt any of us is going to change another persons mind and I can see both sides of why someone would want to react with violence against these sex offenders and why some would want to take a more calm and logical approach.
Don't think for one second that my intital and immediate response is to not want to kick the living shit out of some asshole who richly deserves it, of course it would be
But then the rational side of me kicks in and I would prefer that they were served justice in some other way.
I think what we need to remember is that however u want to look at it something needs to be done because really most sexual offenders(and I did not say all) are repeat offenders. I have seen documentarys with some of these people saying things like one predator said to a reporter..
" If I see an 8 year old girl dressed all cute in a suit like u are now, its the same to me as seeing an adult woman dressed that way and I want to sleep with her"
SOme of these men even said they should NEVER be allowed out of jail because they will definantly re-offend, and these are men that have been to counselling.
So I suppose my point here is that while some foldks seem to be implying that should not necessarily "rot in jail" etc...maybe u should be asking some of these offenders what they think we should do with them, u might be surprised
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I really need to type slower
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purplesweat said:

I mentioned your age (you did it yourself first) for generalization. You are among the smarter percentile of your age group Age doesn't matter. The fact is that, obviously, in this case, these people are guilty of the most despicable crime that exists. The mere reaction to want those people dead, is natural, it's called instinct.

Chilli is right, let's lock this thread up. I want another photowhore thread

I wish more would be done to prevent these things from happening.
I also hope that this poor girl is getting proper support from other family members and her community.
These kinds of tragedies perpetuate violence and trauma through generations.
It needs to stop.
I hope she is getting help and support.





It sucks when parents abuse their children. It is something she will live with the rest of her life.
How do you heal from that?
[Edited 1/10/09 3:36am]

shanti0608 said:

My niece grew up to become a beatiful, loving mother and wife. I don't really tell her often enough, but she's a hero to me.

BlueZebra said:

That is good to hear. Bless her.

MuthaFunka said:

Yours is too then, eh?

June7 said:

you would be very astounded at what a MOTHER will allow someone to do to HER child, and not lift a finger in that child's defense..
they will even LIE to the judge....i have been on the side of needing an adult to protect me and didn't receive that protection... i am pleased to see they are finally punishing the ones who turn a blind eye...
she never admitted she did anything wrong
and it's been over 25 years...not once did she say i f**ked up, i failed you..
i don't think about it til i see something like this....
never forget....

As a parent myself and a victim of rape(age 9 by a uncle), I think and yes this is out of anger of both sides...

I agree with many of these people to taking them outside and shooting them BUT yet IMHO that death would be too quick for them, they took away that childs sence of well....EVERYTHING, very slowly. They should have it slow and painful as well. Say for instance, skinning them alive then pelting them to death with small stones(Keep in mind that is the anger part of me speaking, and gory as well)

As a parent, HOW in the fuck can a parent do this to their child? If your a parent YOU KNOW to protect them with every inch of your life from those kinds of things.

Please allow me to express more of my anger in emoticons about the topic:



And for the parents who did this to this child a BIG(yes I KNOW they wont read this again the anger of it)

I feel so much for the child

Things like this are enough to make my blood boil

I know if ANTYHING was to happen to my daughter I would be glad to go to jail with a smile on my face with the shackles on, cause I would of put that SOB 6 ft under.

Thank you for allowing me to express myself.
[Edited 1/10/09 10:12am]

CarrieMpls said:

Hey, that's your right to think so. Those that know me - know otherwise.

MuthaFunka said:

So it has to happen to someone else for them to speak on how they'd react (since you don't agree), but we're to accept you at your word?

MuthaFunka said:

Exactly. I guess sending someone to jail for a whole year for molesting and raping kids is paying a debt.