2elijah said:

the inmates are gonna get them and the guards will turn a blind eye

Sickos!!!!

Totally disgusting.....I'm speechless. Naw see those aren't even people they aren't even animals....

And how the fuck did Obama end up in the topic. Thanks for countering that shit Mutha, and your posts were on point.

GetAwayFromMe said:

Hi Karla.

TonyVanDam said:

No need to apologise. I understand that certain people feel they have the right to decide who lives or dies. Normally these are the people we would want to exlcude from society and lock away. Seems quite a few are on the streets and running the justice system instead.
Mercifully I live in a country with a little more humilty with regard to playing god...
[Edited 1/9/09 2:14am]

paintedlady said:

MuthaFunka said:

It's not coming across that way.

But here's a hypothetical scenario for you. You are given the key to their holding cell, a key to the police station weapons room and a 100% guarantee there will be no comeback on your actions. What do you do?



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[Edited 1/9/09 2:57am]

WTF are people DEFENDING these evil, evil criminals for?

purplesweat said:

I haven't seen anyone defending them. I have seen people debating whether they should be locked away or blown away...

razor said:

There shouldn't even be discussion. They don't need to exist, it's rather simple.

purplesweat said:

So your opinion is the "right" one and should just be accepted without discussion eh? North Korea may be looking for a new leader soon. Sounds like you're qualified...

As I say, it sounds like you're another who feels they have the wisdom, and hence should be given the power, to decide who lives or dies. Normally people that deluded are the ones we try and put away...

razor said:

Tell me what good either of them are doing being alive. What use are they? What can they contribute to...anything?

All they've done is fill up the jails with more evil scum that should just be done with and leave another child disturbed, orphaned and alone in the world.

Fantastic.

I'm not deluded, THEY ARE. Didn't you say you were a parent? I can't believe me, an 18 yr old, is trying to tell a parent why pedophiles don't deserve life. Would YOU give these people a second chance if it was YOUR child involved?

purplesweat said:

Yes, you're certainly right that you would be wise not to preach to a parent on subjects such as this.

I have no interest in giving them a second chance. Life imprisoment would be what I would demand. I equally have no interest in supporting state sponsered murder. Thankfully, every developed country in the world agrees with me bar one.

If this was my child, I have no idea whether I could retain my principles in this regard. Maybe not. But as someone else said, I would be grateful that others would be there to ensure I was not able to do something that I would be ashamed of in retrospect. If my child was attacked in some way, I would think the last thing that would help him would be to see his father become a murderer, either directly or through state sponsorship..

Okay...Im going to add another true story to this and see how some of u may feel about this one..
I have a friend that I have known for almost 38 years...my whole life infact. SOmeone I was there for when she had both her sons. As a child my friend was sexaully assualted on a regular basis by her Uncle. As her boys grew she tried to teach them right from worng, discussed with them what had happened to her as a child and told them wheat they shuld do if it ever happened to them and did the best she could in regaurds to raising them.
Now with her oldest son T she had problems with him right from when he was a toddler and as he grew into a teen his behaviour became worse
Then when T was almost 14 she found out a horrifying secret...her son T had been raping his 6 year old cousin, and he told this little boy " If u tell ure mamma she will beat u and send u away"
Now needless to say ocne the little 6 year old finally broke down and told what had happened, my friends son was immediately arrested and taken to a juvenile detention centre, from there he went to a boys home where he had continuos behaviour problems.
Now T is 18 and he has a girlfriend who just had a baby
My friend, who still loves her son is happy for him.....As for me...I know he was a minor when he commited the rape on his cousin, but I want to know what friggin right this man has to have a child????? Answer me that
I fear for that child It makes me sick
[Edited 1/9/09 3:57am]

chillichocaholic said:

You're right, they should have fried that 14-year-old kid, let Gawd judge him. Maybe have the victim chew on his bones or something. Film it for the evening news. Then everyone's satisifed and no-one will ever rape anyone again.

purplesweat said:

Eh? Who the fuck is doing that?

Number23 said:

Ahem...did I say any of that? What I said was I don't think he should have been allowed to have a child. No where in any of that did I say he should be killed so I think u are mistaking me for someone else

chillichocaholic said:

I was exagerating your far right stance for effect, but that's where we would end up if you lived in a society where self-appointed guardians of moral bastion decided who was allowed to have children and who wasn't. You steralise the first rapist and all you're effectively doing is rolling a wee snowball from the highest Alp. Before you know it, your arsehole would be getting regularly sampled by government gestapo to see if anyone's shagged it recently. Anal sex spreads disease, y'know! Can't have that!. An almost fascist blanket mentality that seems to prevail when the chips are down. If the 0.01 percent of motherfuckers with a stake in social function get the chance to divide and conquer, they'll take it. Mentalities like your are a gift to them.

chillichocaholic said:

I'm assuming that this guy is a free-man right? Thats the bigger problem here. to do what he did he must be seriously mentally disturbed. Add to that the severity of his crime, then why on earth is he walking the streets. He should either be tucked away in a mental institute or serving time.

If he's free, he has the right to do whatever he wants, having kids or otherwise. The question is whether he should be free at all..

Number23 said:

Well stated as usual

Number23 said:

Far right stance? :onfuse: If u start talking politics ure going to loose me there because I care not one whit for the likes of "far right" or "left wing" anything as I know nothing about it and dont really care
Look if u must know I was sexually assualted twice when I was 16 and I can honestly say that I never wished death on either of these men, one of whom as it turned out was also raping his step daughters on a regular basis. What I did do was go to the police immediately. The 16 year old spent a mere 4 months in a boys home, and his mother called me a "slut" in the middle of a shopping centre twice. I have never wished death on her either.
What I have done is live my life and not let what either of these men did to me drag me down into a pit of dispair or hate. Why waste my time?
But I can see why people's first reaction is to beat the heck out of or chop bits of someone. It the first instinctual reaction for most people because the thought of something so revoulting and traumatising happening to a child makes us sick to our stomachs. I know how I would feel if it happened to my children because it has happened to me, that dosent mean I would go out and do it, because really I dont see the point in going to prison and being no better than these people, but I am not going to lie and say that would not be my first thought.
As for my friends son, he ran away from the boys home he was sent to once and showed up at my house because we lived nearby and he wanted me to call his mother to come get him. What I did do was ask him to come away from my house because my husband was about ready to go outside, then I called his mother and she promptly called the police while I walked him up the street and we talked and I told him what I thought of what he did ( he was 15 by then) and he told me he understood. Did I kick his rear end or rip bits off him? No
But that dosent mean I think he should be trusted with a child of his own making

razor said:

He is cetainly a free man these days because when he turned 18 the state could no longer hold him and thats what worries me the most.
I actually saw him briefly yesterday outside a store and he told me that having a baby has "woken him up"
Sure

chillichocaholic said:

Oh and just to add in edit, his mother had been asking for help for years for him when he was a child and no one in authority listened until it was too late, she was simply labled as a "bad mother" which is an absolute load of shite because I know she did her best for both her boys

chillichocaholic said:

This kind of thing is all too common. State doesn't have the resources/expertise/inclination to do more. I do think we're getting better at recognising and dealing with mental illness, but all to often its too little too late..

chillichocaholic said:

I'm genuinely sorry about what happened. Just because I wouldn't buckle him to a wooden chair and fry his organs with 15,000 volts doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished or allowed to rectify his wrong. As a society, we allow the injection of monkeys' eyes with dangerous & deadly combinations of chemicals to make money off disease and pain. Not to cure, of course. Just the right chemical compound to have you repeatedly buying the fix to keep your heart beating. Now, I think animal testing is horiffic and immoral - but that's just my perception. I accept there is no wrong or right to anything - just opinions, some educated, some reactionary. However, medical testing on serial sex offenders and certain murderers? I could be convinced. That would be cancelling out one (perceived, to me) wrong and making these societal castouts useful in a way they could never be themselves without labotomies or psychological brainwashing. I think I've just gone off on one.

razor said :



I'm done.

Number23 said:

Now thats worth some thought

MuthaFunka said:

"the wages that sin pays is death"

I too agree with Numbers- inflicting death is too easy a way out. it would be far better to allow them to "suffer" in their sins. those few minutes before death would be nothing compared to knowing you'd have to live with this punishment your whole life

Im praying for everyone involved.
Even the sick parents

chillichocaholic said:

Chilli, someone very close to me, has been beaten and raped almost on a daily in his childhood. Now as an adult he will not have children. He has forgiven his molester, but will kill anybody that messes with my kids in any way. He has decided not to have children or be around mine too much for fear of abusing them. I trust him, but he told me that he doesn't trust himself because he doesn't know where the boundaries are with kids since so many have been crossed with him.


This is the most honest person I know. If he feels like he shouldn't have kids, then I believe him and others should follow. Having a child will not complete or heal you, and many people can lead full lives without rearing children.
No potential abuser should have children.

paintedlady said:

That poor guy for what he went through