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PrintableI've owned two...I gave my last one to a good home (kid free) when my son was born...here's my issue, we can say blame the owner not the dog all day long, but at the end of the day, it's the dogs doing the attacking...and generally when these things happen, you hear comments such as "He was a good dog, never showed any aggression" or ""He was a family pet, he loved kids"...most of these dogs that attack aren't "trained" to attack or show aggression...they're animals and as such, things may set them off that we'll never understand...and when a pit is set off, the potential for a terrible situation is alot greater than when the family yorkie gets pissed...
anyone who says it isn't a dangerous breed is being naive...my two were perfect pets and there are tons of them that are perfect pets, but even perfect pets can have a bad day...this breed, and a few others, on a bad day can be deadly such a sad story...a five year old gone | |
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This is truly awful! That poor child!  My heart is aching!!!
As for the dogs, all I can say is, I do enjoy dogs, I have 3 of my own, but I truly can say I dislike this breed greatly, and I feel it shouldn't be legal to have one. Proud Memaw to Seyhan Olivia Christine ,Zoey Cirilo Jaylee & Ellie Abigail Lillian  | |
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I agree that this is awful.
I think it is those who raise the dogs' fault. Not every pitbull is as aggressive and dangerous. I know because my cousin has two and he has had one previous to these. Both dogs are extremely well-behaved. As a matter of fact, one of them is more well-behaved than my old dog and she was just a common breed dog. Like with a number of animals, if you raise it to be a killer it will be. | |
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roodboi said: I've owned two...I gave my last one to a good home (kid free) when my son was born...here's my issue, we can say blame the owner not the dog all day long, but at the end of the day, it's the dogs doing the attacking...and generally when these things happen, you hear comments such as "He was a good dog, never showed any aggression" or ""He was a family pet, he loved kids"...most of these dogs that attack aren't "trained" to attack or show aggression...they're animals and as such, things may set them off that we'll never understand...and when a pit is set off, the potential for a terrible situation is alot greater than when the family yorkie gets pissed...
anyone who says it isn't a dangerous breed is being naive...my two were perfect pets and there are tons of them that are perfect pets, but even perfect pets can have a bad day...this breed, and a few others, on a bad day can be deadly such a sad story...a five year old gone But you miss something - a living thing can never BE perfect! That is the reason why only the owners are to blame - because regardless of everything else, the dog is an animal. It will act and react on its own and that's why the owner is to blame. Before I moved to my mum's, I would never have left Uzie alone with my niece Tyra - simply cos I know Uzie doesn't like kids. Now, even after Uzie has proved beyond my doubt that she loves Tyra and doesn't try to do things to her that she'd do to other children, I still don't leave them alone. Tyra knows what is allowed and what is not, but she is only 4 years old and she can fall down on Uzie, drop something on her or the like. I need to be there! It's all in the owner. The dog is an animal, not a perfect piece of furniture. | |
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Graycap23 said: Mars23 said: Just remember, the pit bull is not a vicious breed, they just happen to kill alot of people in a viscous manner.
Cheyenne Peppers? The parents should have already been in jail. Good one..... May the kid RIP. That's a damn shame what happened to that child. | |
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Parents should never leave their young child alone and unsupervised,
but I think they may have thought that she would be okay, since she was in her own yard and the dogs were family pets. | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: Parents should never leave their young child alone and unsupervised,
but I think they may have thought that she would be okay, since she was in her own yard and the dogs were family pets. the thing is that these assholes how train these dogs to be killers have kids and they consider it a family pet that people can be around. I wish the trained killer dogs would kill the owners. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Mars23 said: mdiver said: Perhaps a thread about the death of a 5 year old is the wrong place for sarcasm and jokes about her name Perhaps the GD forum on prince.org is the wrong place for self righteous indignation. I love that word! They use it in Thomas the Tank Engine all the time. | |
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I'm a pit owner.....had these debates here numerous times...
It's not a status symbol for me...he needed rescuing and I stepped in....he couldn't love his humans more...very affectionate and wonderful with my kids... Sad story... | |
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pardonme4livin said: I'm a pit owner.....had these debates here numerous times...
It's not a status symbol for me...he needed rescuing and I stepped in....he couldn't love his humans more...very affectionate and wonderful with my kids... Sad story...  But not in a gay way  | |
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mdiver said: pardonme4livin said: I'm a pit owner.....had these debates here numerous times...
It's not a status symbol for me...he needed rescuing and I stepped in....he couldn't love his humans more...very affectionate and wonderful with my kids... Sad story... But not in a gay way Oh Phil....gay away... 
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: wildgoldenhoney said: Parents should never leave their young child alone and unsupervised,
but I think they may have thought that she would be okay, since she was in her own yard and the dogs were family pets. the thing is that these assholes how train these dogs to be killers have kids and they consider it a family pet that people can be around. I wish the trained killer dogs would kill the owners. Again,  | |
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pardonme4livin said: mdiver said: But not in a gay way Oh Phil....gay away...
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: wildgoldenhoney said: Parents should never leave their young child alone and unsupervised,
but I think they may have thought that she would be okay, since she was in her own yard and the dogs were family pets. the thing is that these assholes how train these dogs to be killers have kids and they consider it a family pet that people can be around. I wish the trained killer dogs would kill the owners. I believe that people train their dogs to be vicious, don't know if it's so they will guard their homes against intruders, but I'm sure there is a way to train them to protect their home and at the same time, teach them to know who they need to be in submission to, the family members. So that would mean that they need to have the child as part of the training of their dogs, and they be in submission to the child as well. But their technique of training without knowing the mentality of the dogs, is dangerous, the first thing the dogs need to learn is submission (to the owners/family/children of the family). | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: the thing is that these assholes how train these dogs to be killers have kids and they consider it a family pet that people can be around. I wish the trained killer dogs would kill the owners. I believe that people train their dogs to be vicious, don't know if it's so they will guard their homes against intruders, but I'm sure there is a way to train them to protect their home and at the same time, teach them to know who they need to be in submission to, the family members. So that would mean that they need to have the child as part of the training of their dogs, and they be in submission to the child as well. But their technique of training without knowing the mentality of the dogs, is dangerous, the first thing the dogs need to learn is submission (to the owners/family/children of the family). Submission is a load of bullshit - as is domination. That might well be the problem, is the owners have taught their children things like the dumbass Cesar teaches when it comes to "submission". A child standing over a dog or lying on top of it to force it to lie still, not so good. Dominance and submission is good when it comes to sex between humans, it does NOT work across species boundaries - dogs are dogs and humans are humans. | |
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Teacher said: wildgoldenhoney said: I believe that people train their dogs to be vicious, don't know if it's so they will guard their homes against intruders, but I'm sure there is a way to train them to protect their home and at the same time, teach them to know who they need to be in submission to, the family members. So that would mean that they need to have the child as part of the training of their dogs, and they be in submission to the child as well. But their technique of training without knowing the mentality of the dogs, is dangerous, the first thing the dogs need to learn is submission (to the owners/family/children of the family). Submission is a load of bullshit - as is domination. That might well be the problem, is the owners have taught their children things like the dumbass Cesar teaches when it comes to "submission". A child standing over a dog or lying on top of it to force it to lie still, not so good. Dominance and submission is good when it comes to sex between humans, it does NOT work across species boundaries - dogs are dogs and humans are humans. So what do you suggest as to teaching your child and your dog? I'm thinking more on the lines of what would I do and how I can prevent it. If the dog has no training at all, then you run the risk of it attacking the child anyway, since in their nature, they don't have a sense of right and wrong, just instinct. But I understand what Supa was pointing out, not training the dogs to be vicious. People aggravate the dogs to attack, and that is just as dangerous. | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: Teacher said: Submission is a load of bullshit - as is domination. That might well be the problem, is the owners have taught their children things like the dumbass Cesar teaches when it comes to "submission". A child standing over a dog or lying on top of it to force it to lie still, not so good. Dominance and submission is good when it comes to sex between humans, it does NOT work across species boundaries - dogs are dogs and humans are humans. So what do you suggest as to teaching your child and your dog? I'm thinking more on the lines of what would I do and how I can prevent it. If the dog has no training at all, then you run the risk of it attacking the child anyway, since in their nature, they don't have a sense of right and wrong, just instinct. But I understand what Supa was pointing out, not training the dogs to be vicious. People aggravate the dogs to attack, and that is just as dangerous. You teach the child to leave the dog the fuck alone if it wants to be left alone. Easy - no uncertain terms and no discussion. Teach the child respect for the dog, never let it treat the dog as a toy. People don't like to think so, but this is where the major part of dog attacks on children originate. People think that the dog will stand for anything, but stand at the playground of a kindergarten for five minutes and then tell me children are nice people... they're not. Teach the child that you NEVER can, for example; Step on the dog or any part of it. Not drop things on it, not even little seemingly harmless pieces of LEGO. Not pull its tail or poke the nose. NEVER. The dog? You can't teach the dog not to attack people, not even if you kick it to shit. It's an animal, it will react to things. | |
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Teacher said: wildgoldenhoney said: So what do you suggest as to teaching your child and your dog? I'm thinking more on the lines of what would I do and how I can prevent it. If the dog has no training at all, then you run the risk of it attacking the child anyway, since in their nature, they don't have a sense of right and wrong, just instinct. But I understand what Supa was pointing out, not training the dogs to be vicious. People aggravate the dogs to attack, and that is just as dangerous. You teach the child to leave the dog the fuck alone if it wants to be left alone. Easy - no uncertain terms and no discussion. Teach the child respect for the dog, never let it treat the dog as a toy. People don't like to think so, but this is where the major part of dog attacks on children originate. People think that the dog will stand for anything, but stand at the playground of a kindergarten for five minutes and then tell me children are nice people... they're not. Teach the child that you NEVER can, for example; Step on the dog or any part of it. Not drop things on it, not even little seemingly harmless pieces of LEGO. Not pull its tail or poke the nose. NEVER. The dog? You can't teach the dog not to attack people, not even if you kick it to shit. It's an animal, it will react to things. I agree with teaching and showing respect. | |
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Teacher said: wildgoldenhoney said: So what do you suggest as to teaching your child and your dog? I'm thinking more on the lines of what would I do and how I can prevent it. If the dog has no training at all, then you run the risk of it attacking the child anyway, since in their nature, they don't have a sense of right and wrong, just instinct. But I understand what Supa was pointing out, not training the dogs to be vicious. People aggravate the dogs to attack, and that is just as dangerous. You teach the child to leave the dog the fuck alone if it wants to be left alone. Easy - no uncertain terms and no discussion. Teach the child respect for the dog, never let it treat the dog as a toy. People don't like to think so, but this is where the major part of dog attacks on children originate. People think that the dog will stand for anything, but stand at the playground of a kindergarten for five minutes and then tell me children are nice people... they're not. Teach the child that you NEVER can, for example; Step on the dog or any part of it. Not drop things on it, not even little seemingly harmless pieces of LEGO. Not pull its tail or poke the nose. NEVER. The dog? You can't teach the dog not to attack people, not even if you kick it to shit. It's an animal, it will react to things. I agree that this type of dogs is not to be kept as a pet. | |
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Teacher said: wildgoldenhoney said: So what do you suggest as to teaching your child and your dog? I'm thinking more on the lines of what would I do and how I can prevent it. If the dog has no training at all, then you run the risk of it attacking the child anyway, since in their nature, they don't have a sense of right and wrong, just instinct. But I understand what Supa was pointing out, not training the dogs to be vicious. People aggravate the dogs to attack, and that is just as dangerous. You teach the child to leave the dog the fuck alone if it wants to be left alone. Easy - no uncertain terms and no discussion. Teach the child respect for the dog, never let it treat the dog as a toy. People don't like to think so, but this is where the major part of dog attacks on children originate. People think that the dog will stand for anything, but stand at the playground of a kindergarten for five minutes and then tell me children are nice people... they're not. Teach the child that you NEVER can, for example; Step on the dog or any part of it. Not drop things on it, not even little seemingly harmless pieces of LEGO. Not pull its tail or poke the nose. NEVER. The dog? You can't teach the dog not to attack people, not even if you kick it to shit. It's an animal, it will react to things. 100% truth. Children do need to know how to act around animals because, when they're not taught this, they'll straight up torture an animal. | |
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Teacher said: roodboi said: I've owned two...I gave my last one to a good home (kid free) when my son was born...here's my issue, we can say blame the owner not the dog all day long, but at the end of the day, it's the dogs doing the attacking...and generally when these things happen, you hear comments such as "He was a good dog, never showed any aggression" or ""He was a family pet, he loved kids"...most of these dogs that attack aren't "trained" to attack or show aggression...they're animals and as such, things may set them off that we'll never understand...and when a pit is set off, the potential for a terrible situation is alot greater than when the family yorkie gets pissed...
anyone who says it isn't a dangerous breed is being naive...my two were perfect pets and there are tons of them that are perfect pets, but even perfect pets can have a bad day...this breed, and a few others, on a bad day can be deadly such a sad story...a five year old gone But you miss something - a living thing can never BE perfect! That is the reason why only the owners are to blame - because regardless of everything else, the dog is an animal. It will act and react on its own and that's why the owner is to blame. Before I moved to my mum's, I would never have left Uzie alone with my niece Tyra - simply cos I know Uzie doesn't like kids. Now, even after Uzie has proved beyond my doubt that she loves Tyra and doesn't try to do things to her that she'd do to other children, I still don't leave them alone. Tyra knows what is allowed and what is not, but she is only 4 years old and she can fall down on Uzie, drop something on her or the like. I need to be there! It's all in the owner. The dog is an animal, not a perfect piece of furniture. I understand your point and agree with most of your point, but surely you didn't take my use of the word "perfect" in th most literal sense...
look, all I'm really saying is that wether there be an irresponsible owner or not, the dog did the damage...and I won't hold a dangerous breed any less accountable for its deadly actions than I will it's owner...  | |
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roodboi said: Teacher said: But you miss something - a living thing can never BE perfect! That is the reason why only the owners are to blame - because regardless of everything else, the dog is an animal. It will act and react on its own and that's why the owner is to blame. Before I moved to my mum's, I would never have left Uzie alone with my niece Tyra - simply cos I know Uzie doesn't like kids. Now, even after Uzie has proved beyond my doubt that she loves Tyra and doesn't try to do things to her that she'd do to other children, I still don't leave them alone. Tyra knows what is allowed and what is not, but she is only 4 years old and she can fall down on Uzie, drop something on her or the like. I need to be there! It's all in the owner. The dog is an animal, not a perfect piece of furniture. I understand your point and agree with most of your point, but surely you didn't take my use of the word "perfect" in th most literal sense...
look, all I'm really saying is that wether there be an irresponsible owner or not, the dog did the damage...and I won't hold a dangerous breed any less accountable for its deadly actions than I will it's owner... That's the thing - there are no breeds that are more dangerous, or rather they're ALL dangerous. That's an important thing to remember - Uzie could easily do as much damage if she wanted to but people get blinded by this pitbull bullshit. There are so many molossos breeds for example (dogo argentino, cane corso, all the mastiff breeds) that are MUCH less socialised as a breed than the APBT, but they're also a lot less accessible. If you flooded the world with an equal number of these breeds the number of attacks would increase by... I can't even measure it. The APBT has been a pet for a very long time, the other breeds haven't. The behaviour has a lot more to do with handling the dog than what we've just talked about here - dogs need to be activated both physically and mentally. Any dog might go mental shut in the yard day in day out with nothing to do, and a kid terrorising it to boot. Uzie would go mental in a week without the stimulation she gets. It's ALL the humans fault. Not the dogs, regardless of breed. | |
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Teacher said: roodboi said: I understand your point and agree with most of your point, but surely you didn't take my use of the word "perfect" in th most literal sense...
look, all I'm really saying is that wether there be an irresponsible owner or not, the dog did the damage...and I won't hold a dangerous breed any less accountable for its deadly actions than I will it's owner... That's the thing - there are no breeds that are more dangerous, or rather they're ALL dangerous. That's an important thing to remember - Uzie could easily do as much damage if she wanted to but people get blinded by this pitbull bullshit. There are so many molossos breeds for example (dogo argentino, cane corso, all the mastiff breeds) that are MUCH less socialised as a breed than the APBT, but they're also a lot less accessible. If you flooded the world with an equal number of these breeds the number of attacks would increase by... I can't even measure it. The APBT has been a pet for a very long time, the other breeds haven't. The behaviour has a lot more to do with handling the dog than what we've just talked about here - dogs need to be activated both physically and mentally. Any dog might go mental shut in the yard day in day out with nothing to do, and a kid terrorising it to boot. Uzie would go mental in a week without the stimulation she gets. It's ALL the humans fault. Not the dogs, regardless of breed. you certainly can't believe that all breeds of dogs are equally dangerous...certain breeds, not just pits, have capabilities specific to their breed that make them much more dangerous than others... so, even a responsible owner, doing all the right things; taking all the right precautions is to blame when a pet, any pet, uses it's own mind and does something out of the norm?? thats a lil' too broad, imo...but I understand and respect your point of view... | |
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Teacher said: roodboi said: I understand your point and agree with most of your point, but surely you didn't take my use of the word "perfect" in th most literal sense...
look, all I'm really saying is that wether there be an irresponsible owner or not, the dog did the damage...and I won't hold a dangerous breed any less accountable for its deadly actions than I will it's owner... That's the thing - there are no breeds that are more dangerous, or rather they're ALL dangerous. That's an important thing to remember - Uzie could easily do as much damage if she wanted to but people get blinded by this pitbull bullshit. There are so many molossos breeds for example (dogo argentino, cane corso, all the mastiff breeds) that are MUCH less socialised as a breed than the APBT, but they're also a lot less accessible. If you flooded the world with an equal number of these breeds the number of attacks would increase by... I can't even measure it. The APBT has been a pet for a very long time, the other breeds haven't. The behaviour has a lot more to do with handling the dog than what we've just talked about here - dogs need to be activated both physically and mentally. Any dog might go mental shut in the yard day in day out with nothing to do, and a kid terrorising it to boot. Uzie would go mental in a week without the stimulation she gets. It's ALL the humans fault. Not the dogs, regardless of breed. Darwin didn't plan on those people surviving. 
If it wasn't for breeding/cultivating those breeds, would they still be around today? I honestly belief they wouldn't. Originally we kept pets to protect our assets and not to cuddle or love them. | |
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roodboi said: Teacher said: That's the thing - there are no breeds that are more dangerous, or rather they're ALL dangerous. That's an important thing to remember - Uzie could easily do as much damage if she wanted to but people get blinded by this pitbull bullshit. There are so many molossos breeds for example (dogo argentino, cane corso, all the mastiff breeds) that are MUCH less socialised as a breed than the APBT, but they're also a lot less accessible. If you flooded the world with an equal number of these breeds the number of attacks would increase by... I can't even measure it. The APBT has been a pet for a very long time, the other breeds haven't. The behaviour has a lot more to do with handling the dog than what we've just talked about here - dogs need to be activated both physically and mentally. Any dog might go mental shut in the yard day in day out with nothing to do, and a kid terrorising it to boot. Uzie would go mental in a week without the stimulation she gets. It's ALL the humans fault. Not the dogs, regardless of breed. you certainly can't believe that all breeds of dogs are equally dangerous...certain breeds, not just pits, have capabilities specific to their breed that make them much more dangerous than others... so, even a responsible owner, doing all the right things; taking all the right precautions is to blame when a pet, any pet, uses it's own mind and does something out of the norm?? thats a lil' too broad, imo...but I understand and respect your point of view... They are not. | |
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horatio said: dumb-asses shouldn't have children
[Edited 1/7/09 16:14pm] That's what Darwin said. | |
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roodboi said: Teacher said: That's the thing - there are no breeds that are more dangerous, or rather they're ALL dangerous. That's an important thing to remember - Uzie could easily do as much damage if she wanted to but people get blinded by this pitbull bullshit. There are so many molossos breeds for example (dogo argentino, cane corso, all the mastiff breeds) that are MUCH less socialised as a breed than the APBT, but they're also a lot less accessible. If you flooded the world with an equal number of these breeds the number of attacks would increase by... I can't even measure it. The APBT has been a pet for a very long time, the other breeds haven't. The behaviour has a lot more to do with handling the dog than what we've just talked about here - dogs need to be activated both physically and mentally. Any dog might go mental shut in the yard day in day out with nothing to do, and a kid terrorising it to boot. Uzie would go mental in a week without the stimulation she gets. It's ALL the humans fault. Not the dogs, regardless of breed. you certainly can't believe that all breeds of dogs are equally dangerous...certain breeds, not just pits, have capabilities specific to their breed that make them much more dangerous than others... so, even a responsible owner, doing all the right things; taking all the right precautions is to blame when a pet, any pet, uses it's own mind and does something out of the norm?? thats a lil' too broad, imo...but I understand and respect your point of view... Whose norm? The human's. Dogs aren't humans. We cannot impose norms on them that they are unable to understand. We have nobody but ourselves to blame when we LET them do something we deem unacceptable, because we set the norms. They never agreed to live by them, therefore can have no responsibility for it. | |
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