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Teacher said: We're all fine TQ, much to somebody else's chagrin.
[Edited 1/4/09 17:16pm] I got sucked in again  , i will make sure it does not happen again
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TypoQueen said: Teacher said: Apparently TypoQueen took the following comment personally, even though it has nothing to do with her. She got a dog from a reputable breeder and with great lines, and that has nothing to do with what I call "unknown dog" in the comment. There will always be dodgy breeders and it's very hard to know about them unless you've been around for a long time. That's not at all the purpose of the following comment.
By "unknown" I mean a dog that comes out of nothing, without pedigree and sold out of nowhere. That's it. All clear? Comment here: Here you have to register the dog with the government, if that's not done don't buy the dog. Forging papers is only easy if you sell dogs to people who don't know what they're doing. I'm sorry, but if you don't know the risks involved in getting an unknown dog? Get a fish bowl instead. Everybody learns, but there are easy ways of checking that the papers are genuine. Most people just don't. But Phil is right - if they get difficult or if anything at all is dodgy, walk away. [Edited 1/4/09 14:39pm] In my case and others the person was well known and respected in the dog world and only a few knew what he was up to and those where the ones high up that help cover everything up. So being around the breeding world would not have changed anything. When you have those supposed to be looking out for animal welfare doing such things what hope do we have for the animals. Your lucky in what your country does, it is a lot different here. It is very easy to forge papers here. As I explained two Dam’s maited at the same time but one has been over breed and the pups can not be registered so the breeder KC registers both litters in one Dam’s name. The KC have been questioning the large litters registered now and have started asking questions but you need proof and you only get this by DNA testing, this is not compulsory in the UK so a lot of breeders get away doing this. If people are thinking about purchasing a pup do not rush into it. Research the breed, Check breed clubs out and join them. Get to know the breeders ask questions. Research the clubs and breeders on the internet. Most respected breeders will have a very long waiting list possibly a two year waiting list for a pup and will have all relevant health checks done on the Sire and Dam before mating so check these out a good breeder loves showing off as they are very proud of their animals. A good breeder will want to get to know you and visa versa. They will become your friend/mentor and will always be on call. But do realise some can not be trusted so be on guard at all times and if you do not feel comfortable, that something does not sit right just walk away. If you wish to adopt there are many breed rescues and mixed breed rescues around desperate to find good homes for the animals. They will help you find the right animal for you, and educate you on the breed, offering advice and the rescues will be on the other end of the phone if you ever need any help. You have kinda covered what i said in my posts earlier. If you are buying a "pure bred" which, lets be honest is where the mills/breeders concentrate because they get alot of money for "pure" puppies then my philosophy is simple. In order to protect the breed, the mother and the puppy you need full 8 gen cert and DNA testing. If the breeder either cant or wont produce that then walk away. If EVERYBODY looking for a pedigree did that then the problem would go away but in too many cases people WANT the dog and the breed is secondary to them.( i mean the longevity/survivability of the breed) Too many times people "fall in love" with the puppy or just plain want it so they dont check. Not saying this happened to you TQ just that we see it too often. Long story short, for the good of the animal,breed and long term -Owner then buyers need to make these checks and if they dont get co-operation- walk away | |
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mdiver said: You have kinda covered what i said in my posts earlier. If you are buying a "pure bred" which, lets be honest is where the mills/breeders concentrate because they get alot of money for "pure" puppies then my philosophy is simple. In order to protect the breed, the mother and the puppy you need full 8 gen cert and DNA testing. If the breeder either cant or wont produce that then walk away. If EVERYBODY looking for a pedigree did that then the problem would go away but in too many cases people WANT the dog and the breed is secondary to them.( i mean the longevity/survivability of the breed) Too many times people "fall in love" with the puppy or just plain want it so they dont check. Not saying this happened to you TQ just that we see it too often. Long story short, for the good of the animal,breed and long term -Owner then buyers need to make these checks and if they dont get co-operation- walk away You're absolutely right, however I've recently learned that the Brittish KC and/or breed clubs has no rules for genetically hereditary diseases, no matter how severe the breeding dog might be as a carrier, and your lack of rules possible also apply to the inbreeding %. Here there are a lot more rules, apart from inbreeding % the rules vary between each breed - that's natural because every breed has its own physical/genetical problems. For example, here german shepherd breeders cannot breed a dog that isn't x-rayed to check for HD/AD (hip/elbow dysplasia, is graded from A=perfect to E=Dog will no way live beyond 5 yo). If the dog has severe hip and/or elbow dysplasia, meaning D or E, the pups won't be registered as german shepherds and are as such out of the purebred gene pool. Breeding on a C hip/elbow dog is also regarded badly. Take another breed, like springer spaniel; There's also HD/AD but adding a coupleofeye diseases that you can spot through a light exam of the eyes. Without a clear on those and AD/HD you cannot breed the dog. Most breeders do a DNA test too for the eye diseases, to not even risk breeding on a dog that carries the gene. *deep breath* These are just examples of how breeder clubs work in Sweden, but of course there are rotten apples here too. For me, dog shows and anybody breeding just to show your dog, without regard for the breed's general and future health. Quite a few breed clubs here realised that they'd gotten to a point where they HAD to do something or the breed would go kaput, so they were forced to. One sad thing the Swedish and British KC have in common though - they cover up shit and ALWAYS take the side of the breeder, no matter how dodgy... if it's within the rules (bent all to hell), then they're off the hook. The British KC needs to implement similar rules to what we have, hopefully the documentary recently aired on BBC will help some. I also believe that "proper" breeders will realise the mills pose a serious threat to their source of income and so they will HAVE TO change some things. The "car boot puppies" are always sold out of nowhere, in an actual car boot, a meetup at a rest stop with just a handoff, apartment or house where's no sign of a mother dog, or dogs of other ages than the pups. A hint is that a proper breeder always have dogs of varying age as well as the mother, any crap talk about how it's in another location because this or that is bullshit. Ask for a pedigree and to see the mother, don't back down. They'll say "they can't get a British pedigree until the KC has approved it but the parents are both prize winners in the country XXX. We'll have it sent to you as soon as it arrives" or "this litter is exclusive to these top lines of XXX, you'll see when you get it" "The mother got so sick of the puppies that we had to take her away or she'll bite them - might even kill them!" (gets you every time  ). Ask questions of what the parents have been doing all their life, etc etc. Ask these questions and you'll see if anything's dodgy, unless you're completely dumb. Also beware of people who say they're the middle man of breeders from country X, that this breeder has such great lines and want to contribute to the gene pool of your country cos it needs fresh blood. This last part might be true, nothing else.
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Teacher said: mdiver said: You have kinda covered what i said in my posts earlier. If you are buying a "pure bred" which, lets be honest is where the mills/breeders concentrate because they get alot of money for "pure" puppies then my philosophy is simple. In order to protect the breed, the mother and the puppy you need full 8 gen cert and DNA testing. If the breeder either cant or wont produce that then walk away. If EVERYBODY looking for a pedigree did that then the problem would go away but in too many cases people WANT the dog and the breed is secondary to them.( i mean the longevity/survivability of the breed) Too many times people "fall in love" with the puppy or just plain want it so they dont check. Not saying this happened to you TQ just that we see it too often. Long story short, for the good of the animal,breed and long term -Owner then buyers need to make these checks and if they dont get co-operation- walk away You're absolutely right, however I've recently learned that the Brittish KC and/or breed clubs has no rules for genetically hereditary diseases, no matter how severe the breeding dog might be as a carrier, and your lack of rules possible also apply to the inbreeding %. Here there are a lot more rules, apart from inbreeding % the rules vary between each breed - that's natural because every breed has its own physical/genetical problems. For example, here german shepherd breeders cannot breed a dog that isn't x-rayed to check for HD/AD (hip/elbow dysplasia, is graded from A=perfect to E=Dog will no way live beyond 5 yo). If the dog has severe hip and/or elbow dysplasia, meaning D or E, the pups won't be registered as german shepherds and are as such out of the purebred gene pool. Breeding on a C hip/elbow dog is also regarded badly. Take another breed, like springer spaniel; There's also HD/AD but adding a coupleofeye diseases that you can spot through a light exam of the eyes. Without a clear on those and AD/HD you cannot breed the dog. Most breeders do a DNA test too for the eye diseases, to not even risk breeding on a dog that carries the gene. *deep breath* These are just examples of how breeder clubs work in Sweden, but of course there are rotten apples here too. For me, dog shows and anybody breeding just to show your dog, without regard for the breed's general and future health. Quite a few breed clubs here realised that they'd gotten to a point where they HAD to do something or the breed would go kaput, so they were forced to. One sad thing the Swedish and British KC have in common though - they cover up shit and ALWAYS take the side of the breeder, no matter how dodgy... if it's within the rules (bent all to hell), then they're off the hook. The British KC needs to implement similar rules to what we have, hopefully the documentary recently aired on BBC will help some. I also believe that "proper" breeders will realise the mills pose a serious threat to their source of income and so they will HAVE TO change some things. The "car boot puppies" are always sold out of nowhere, in an actual car boot, a meetup at a rest stop with just a handoff, apartment or house where's no sign of a mother dog, or dogs of other ages than the pups. A hint is that a proper breeder always have dogs of varying age as well as the mother, any crap talk about how it's in another location because this or that is bullshit. Ask for a pedigree and to see the mother, don't back down. They'll say "they can't get a British pedigree until the KC has approved it but the parents are both prize winners in the country XXX. We'll have it sent to you as soon as it arrives" or "this litter is exclusive to these top lines of XXX, you'll see when you get it" "The mother got so sick of the puppies that we had to take her away or she'll bite them - might even kill them!" (gets you every time ). Ask questions of what the parents have been doing all their life, etc etc. Ask these questions and you'll see if anything's dodgy, unless you're completely dumb. Also beware of people who say they're the middle man of breeders from country X, that this breeder has such great lines and want to contribute to the gene pool of your country cos it needs fresh blood. This last part might be true, nothing else.
Don't get a mill puppy. That's all. Poor puppies. Yep they let fathers and daughters breed 
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I got a dog for Christmas! 
He was rescued from a laboratory, a beagle, beautiful little thing. 
However, if he doesn't stop stealing my fags, he's out on the street!  | |
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mcmeekle said: I got a dog for Christmas!
He was rescued from a laboratory, a beagle, beautiful little thing.
However, if he doesn't stop stealing my fags, he's out on the street! photowhore him! | |
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mcmeekle said: I got a dog for Christmas!
He was rescued from a laboratory, a beagle, beautiful little thing.
However, if he doesn't stop stealing my fags, he's out on the street! You should have said However, if he doesn't stop stealing my lipstick, he's out on the street!  | |
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shanti0608 said: mcmeekle said: I got a dog for Christmas!
He was rescued from a laboratory, a beagle, beautiful little thing.
However, if he doesn't stop stealing my fags, he's out on the street! photowhore him!  | |
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mdiver said: mcmeekle said: I got a dog for Christmas!
He was rescued from a laboratory, a beagle, beautiful little thing.
However, if he doesn't stop stealing my fags, he's out on the street! You should have said However, if he doesn't stop stealing my lipstick, he's out on the street! It was a toss of the coin! | |
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mcmeekle said: mdiver said: It was a toss of the coin! | |
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mdiver said: Teacher said: You're absolutely right, however I've recently learned that the Brittish KC and/or breed clubs has no rules for genetically hereditary diseases, no matter how severe the breeding dog might be as a carrier, and your lack of rules possible also apply to the inbreeding %. Here there are a lot more rules, apart from inbreeding % the rules vary between each breed - that's natural because every breed has its own physical/genetical problems. For example, here german shepherd breeders cannot breed a dog that isn't x-rayed to check for HD/AD (hip/elbow dysplasia, is graded from A=perfect to E=Dog will no way live beyond 5 yo). If the dog has severe hip and/or elbow dysplasia, meaning D or E, the pups won't be registered as german shepherds and are as such out of the purebred gene pool. Breeding on a C hip/elbow dog is also regarded badly. Take another breed, like springer spaniel; There's also HD/AD but adding a coupleofeye diseases that you can spot through a light exam of the eyes. Without a clear on those and AD/HD you cannot breed the dog. Most breeders do a DNA test too for the eye diseases, to not even risk breeding on a dog that carries the gene. *deep breath* These are just examples of how breeder clubs work in Sweden, but of course there are rotten apples here too. For me, dog shows and anybody breeding just to show your dog, without regard for the breed's general and future health. Quite a few breed clubs here realised that they'd gotten to a point where they HAD to do something or the breed would go kaput, so they were forced to. One sad thing the Swedish and British KC have in common though - they cover up shit and ALWAYS take the side of the breeder, no matter how dodgy... if it's within the rules (bent all to hell), then they're off the hook. The British KC needs to implement similar rules to what we have, hopefully the documentary recently aired on BBC will help some. I also believe that "proper" breeders will realise the mills pose a serious threat to their source of income and so they will HAVE TO change some things. The "car boot puppies" are always sold out of nowhere, in an actual car boot, a meetup at a rest stop with just a handoff, apartment or house where's no sign of a mother dog, or dogs of other ages than the pups. A hint is that a proper breeder always have dogs of varying age as well as the mother, any crap talk about how it's in another location because this or that is bullshit. Ask for a pedigree and to see the mother, don't back down. They'll say "they can't get a British pedigree until the KC has approved it but the parents are both prize winners in the country XXX. We'll have it sent to you as soon as it arrives" or "this litter is exclusive to these top lines of XXX, you'll see when you get it" "The mother got so sick of the puppies that we had to take her away or she'll bite them - might even kill them!" (gets you every time ). Ask questions of what the parents have been doing all their life, etc etc. Ask these questions and you'll see if anything's dodgy, unless you're completely dumb. Also beware of people who say they're the middle man of breeders from country X, that this breeder has such great lines and want to contribute to the gene pool of your country cos it needs fresh blood. This last part might be true, nothing else.
Don't get a mill puppy. That's all. Poor puppies. Yep they let fathers and daughters breed
That is why the 8 generation tree is so essential. Spread the gene pool. Here the KC has decreed that 4,25% is the most inbreeding tolerated, but I have to admit when I got Uzie I didn't know how to calculate that... later I realised that she's a little over 5%  My next dog will be 0%, or no dog. Only way to go, will not be a breeding dog but it doesn't matter. I won't encourage ANY kind of detrimental breeding. | |
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Teacher said: mdiver said: Yep they let fathers and daughters breed
That is why the 8 generation tree is so essential. Spread the gene pool. Here the KC has decreed that 4,25% is the most inbreeding tolerated, but I have to admit when I got Uzie I didn't know how to calculate that... later I realised that she's a little over 5% My next dog will be 0%, or no dog. Only way to go, will not be a breeding dog but it doesn't matter. I won't encourage ANY kind of detrimental breeding.
I guess we were lucky that Dylan, for the UK is a rare breed, so the breeders (only 2 in the UK) are VERY careful about the DNA profiling and spreading the gene pool, plus because they are rare there is not the massive demand that encourages in breeding. So far we are trying to get through the teenage years with him so that he can sire a litter. His father is a Crufts champion and his blood line is perfect to help with the breed in the UK. The more i learn about this the more i like dogs more than fucking humans | |
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mdiver said: Teacher said: Here the KC has decreed that 4,25% is the most inbreeding tolerated, but I have to admit when I got Uzie I didn't know how to calculate that... later I realised that she's a little over 5% My next dog will be 0%, or no dog. Only way to go, will not be a breeding dog but it doesn't matter. I won't encourage ANY kind of detrimental breeding.
I guess we were lucky that Dylan, for the UK is a rare breed, so the breeders (only 2 in the UK) are VERY careful about the DNA profiling and spreading the gene pool, plus because they are rare there is not the massive demand that encourages in breeding. So far we are trying to get through the teenage years with him so that he can sire a litter. His father is a Crufts champion and his blood line is perfect to help with the breed in the UK. The more i learn about this the more i like dogs more than fucking humans  Uh oh the teenage years good luck with that 
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TypoQueen said: mdiver said:
I guess we were lucky that Dylan, for the UK is a rare breed, so the breeders (only 2 in the UK) are VERY careful about the DNA profiling and spreading the gene pool, plus because they are rare there is not the massive demand that encourages in breeding. So far we are trying to get through the teenage years with him so that he can sire a litter. His father is a Crufts champion and his blood line is perfect to help with the breed in the UK. The more i learn about this the more i like dogs more than fucking humans Uh oh the teenage years good luck with that
What breed is Dylan? He is an Australian Cattle Dog...just 10 months.  | |
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mdiver said: TypoQueen said: Uh oh the teenage years good luck with that
What breed is Dylan? He is an Australian Cattle Dog...just 10 months. Since this is my thread, I can jack it and post another pic of our pup. A more recent one.  | |
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Forgive me for asking Phil, but if there are only two breeders in the UK, then they'd have to bring in a new import into EVERY litter to keep it spread out enough for inbreeding not being an issue. Are they really doing that? IME a moderate amount of interest is the healthiest, a few years ago was the ultimate as far as Uzie's breed - a lot of experienced dog people interested in serious training/competition got turned on to the malinois but not too many... then the demand exploded and all of a sudden money grabbers appeared out of nowhere or serious breeders like mine got $$$ signs in their eyes. Over the past 4 years, Uzie's breeder has spewed out no less than 25 litters - he used to have really good control over the litters, who he sold to and with demands on AD/HD x-ray, mental eval as a requirement for buying etc but he got greedy. However, this has forced breeders to take in a lot of new material from other countries, but back to the aussie - with that thin a breeding base, the breeders have to import either fresh dogs or fresh sperm so are they doing that? I'm not doubting you at all, just asking. I know you're smart people so you'd know and I'm curious. I know some aussie owners here and I know they'll be interested to learn how the UK population is doing.
Oh, and..... too bad for you the aussie teens last until they die. They're just like the belgian sheepdogs. But we love 'em, don't we? If I may, a pic of my Uzie with my awesome niece Tyra.
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Teacher said: Forgive me for asking Phil, but if there are only two breeders in the UK, then they'd have to bring in a new import into EVERY litter to keep it spread out enough for inbreeding not being an issue. Are they really doing that? IME a moderate amount of interest is the healthiest, a few years ago was the ultimate as far as Uzie's breed - a lot of experienced dog people interested in serious training/competition got turned on to the malinois but not too many... then the demand exploded and all of a sudden money grabbers appeared out of nowhere or serious breeders like mine got $$$ signs in their eyes. Over the past 4 years, Uzie's breeder has spewed out no less than 25 litters - he used to have really good control over the litters, who he sold to and with demands on AD/HD x-ray, mental eval as a requirement for buying etc but he got greedy. However, this has forced breeders to take in a lot of new material from other countries, but back to the aussie - with that thin a breeding base, the breeders have to import either fresh dogs or fresh sperm so are they doing that? I'm not doubting you at all, just asking. I know you're smart people so you'd know and I'm curious. I know some aussie owners here and I know they'll be interested to learn how the UK population is doing.
Oh, and..... too bad for you the aussie teens last until they die. They're just like the belgian sheepdogs. But we love 'em, don't we? If I may, a pic of my Uzie with my awesome niece Tyra.
The breed has been here since 1980 so we are now 28 years in to the breeding cycle in the UK. The fact that they are not a well known breed has done them good because the demand is low, plus they are hard headed bastards ! The DNA testing (in this breed and sepcifically with Dylans parents) Was done BEFORE breeding and not as a prrof to us. I guess we got lucky and did our homework. I am lucky that Val is so conciousness. If only they had a test for "will this puppy eat my new Vans trainers" or "will this puppy fart like a bastard" | |
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mdiver said: The breed has been here since 1980 so we are now 28 years in to the breeding cycle in the UK. The fact that they are not a well known breed has done them good because the demand is low, plus they are hard headed bastards ! The DNA testing (in this breed and sepcifically with Dylans parents) Was done BEFORE breeding and not as a prrof to us. I guess we got lucky and did our homework. I am lucky that Val is so conciousness. If only they had a test for "will this puppy eat my new Vans trainers" or "will this puppy fart like a bastard" I know they're hard but inbreeding WILL come through, and if new blood isn't added frequently everybody will be heavily related to each other by now and that's why I asked but obviously your breeder isn't looking to destroy the breed and kill their meal ticket. You indeed got lucky with the breeder being conscientuous (sp), and like you say Val's good at this.
Ohhh, a test against your future dog being a farter - that would be AWESOME and would definitely have excluded Uzie from my life... but wait...  Life without Uzie is NOT possible. Would you really not have Dylan in your life, regardless of farts and shredded trainers? I don't think so. He's beautiful btw, I might actually get an aussie in the future but I told Val that ages ago. | |
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shanti0608 said: mdiver said: He is an Australian Cattle Dog...just 10 months. Since this is my thread, I can jack it and post another pic of our pup. A more recent one. Dylan is georgous, inquisitive eyes 
I was at Discover dogs recently and enjoyed visiting the ACD stall. ACD's are very active and intelligent dog’s well suited for doing agility as it can keep them focused. Does Dylan do Obedience or agility classes? I ask as it will help chill him out through these teenage days it may make life easier for you both. [Edited 1/6/09 16:45pm] | |
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TypoQueen said: shanti0608 said: Since this is my thread, I can jack it and post another pic of our pup. A more recent one. Dylan is georgous, inquisitive eyes
I was at Discover dogs recently and enjoyed visiting the ACD stall. ACD's are very active and intelligent dog’s well suited for doing agility as it can keep them focused. Does Dylan do Obedience or agility classes? I ask as it will help chill him out through these teenage days it may make life easier for you both. [Edited 1/6/09 16:45pm] Right now he is not doing classes but we plan on him starting agility in the spring, you are dead right, activity helps him massively with his teenage tendencies. Last night he got all excited when i was watching the football and cheering, wore himself out jumping around and went right to sleep at my feet | |
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Teacher said: mdiver said: The breed has been here since 1980 so we are now 28 years in to the breeding cycle in the UK. The fact that they are not a well known breed has done them good because the demand is low, plus they are hard headed bastards ! The DNA testing (in this breed and sepcifically with Dylans parents) Was done BEFORE breeding and not as a prrof to us. I guess we got lucky and did our homework. I am lucky that Val is so conciousness. If only they had a test for "will this puppy eat my new Vans trainers" or "will this puppy fart like a bastard" I know they're hard but inbreeding WILL come through, and if new blood isn't added frequently everybody will be heavily related to each other by now and that's why I asked but obviously your breeder isn't looking to destroy the breed and kill their meal ticket. You indeed got lucky with the breeder being conscientuous (sp), and like you say Val's good at this.
Ohhh, a test against your future dog being a farter - that would be AWESOME and would definitely have excluded Uzie from my life... but wait... Life without Uzie is NOT possible. Would you really not have Dylan in your life, regardless of farts and shredded trainers? I don't think so. He's beautiful btw, I might actually get an aussie in the future but I told Val that ages ago. Yeah, i still love him even though he farts. I guess now i know how Val feels about me  | |
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Teacher said: Forgive me for asking Phil, but if there are only two breeders in the UK, then they'd have to bring in a new import into EVERY litter to keep it spread out enough for inbreeding not being an issue. Are they really doing that? IME a moderate amount of interest is the healthiest, a few years ago was the ultimate as far as Uzie's breed - a lot of experienced dog people interested in serious training/competition got turned on to the malinois but not too many... then the demand exploded and all of a sudden money grabbers appeared out of nowhere or serious breeders like mine got $$$ signs in their eyes. Over the past 4 years, Uzie's breeder has spewed out no less than 25 litters - he used to have really good control over the litters, who he sold to and with demands on AD/HD x-ray, mental eval as a requirement for buying etc but he got greedy. However, this has forced breeders to take in a lot of new material from other countries, but back to the aussie - with that thin a breeding base, the breeders have to import either fresh dogs or fresh sperm so are they doing that? I'm not doubting you at all, just asking. I know you're smart people so you'd know and I'm curious. I know some aussie owners here and I know they'll be interested to learn how the UK population is doing.
Oh, and..... too bad for you the aussie teens last until they die. They're just like the belgian sheepdogs. But we love 'em, don't we? If I may, a pic of my Uzie with my awesome niece Tyra.
There's more than two breeders of ACD's but only a handful that are reputable and test prebreeding like they should. Only two that I considered getting a dog from. When I was in the states, I could find ACD's all over in the shelters. My first one was a pound pup, I knew nothing about ACD's back then, over 10 yrs ago. My second was from a breed rescue, she had health issues and other issues but we decided to keep her and just deal with it. When I moved to the UK I searched high and low for one that needed a good home, none could be found in the shelters. Which is a good thing. The breeders that I checked out only sell to ppl that have had the breed before. The breeder that I found that kenneled Dylan when we went to the states has several studs of her own and flies others in to use as needed. Because the breed is known to have deafness issues and hip/elbow problems, all good breeders do DNA testing before hand. They look for a good match before considering breeding.They also do testing once they are born for deafness, X ray hips and elbows. They are trying to keep the breed healthy as possible. I see a difference in the ACD's here than the ones in the states. My two in the states had very little herding instincts in them and were not as strong willed. I know that all breeds have their issues but it is good to see (through the online chats, conversations and visits to breeders) that most of the breeders of ACD's really care about the breed. I am sure that there are some out there doing it just for the money. Unlike the popular breeds here, when they do have a litter then do not always have the luxury of knowing the pups are going to be sold before they are born. I spoke to a popular breeder of Min. Schnauzer's here and she has ppl on waiting lists before she even breeds. Her pups have deposits down on them before they are even conceived. | |
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