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Reply #30 posted 12/18/08 9:41am

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MoniGram said:

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I'm speaking of people that work for the stores (retail side), not from the corporate side.



Once again...Market HR...means he deals with normal employees and their issues. Including hiring, firing, wages etc.... He is in a 'retail' store everyday, these corporate 'guys' you speak of, are in stores daily! Home offices are in a regular Walmart. Like I say...know your facts....

We are both stating facts, just from 2 different perspectives.

Anyway, how do you explain the bad press they have received throughout the last few years for their practices and treatment of employees?
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Reply #31 posted 12/18/08 9:44am

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Once again...Market HR...means he deals with normal employees and their issues. Including hiring, firing, wages etc.... He is in a 'retail' store everyday, these corporate 'guys' you speak of, are in stores daily! Home offices are in a regular Walmart. Like I say...know your facts....

We are both stating facts, just from 2 different perspectives.



Well you might be right...like I said...employees will have 'issues' with any employer that doesn't do things the way they wish. That is what I am stating...one shouldn't form an opinion of a company based on what a disgruntle employee feels. So an employee might feel they are cheated by an employer because they don't feel the pay they are getting in justified, but each job has a job pay scale, period!!! The pay is based on the position and the duties of said job. So like I said..before you start stating Walmart ONLY pay minimum wage..gets your facts correct!!!!
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Reply #32 posted 12/18/08 9:46am

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http://www.pbs.org/itvs/s...ores3.html

Working for Wal-Mart
Forbes magazine, polling business executives (not employees) has ranked Wal-Mart among the best 100 corporations to work for. Yet the employees on average take home pay of under $250 a week. The salary for full-time employees (called "associates") is $6 to $7.50 an hour for 28-40 hours a week, which is typical in the discount retail industry. This pay scale places employees with families below the poverty line, with the majority of employees' children qualifying for free lunch at school. When closely examined, this amounts to a form of corporate welfare, as the taxpayer subsidizes the low salaries. One-third are part-time employees - limited to less than 28 hours of work per week - and are not eligible for benefits.

The company is staunchly anti-union. New employees are shown videotapes explaining that instead of unionizing, they benefit from the open door policy, allowing them to take their complaints beyond the supervisors to higher management. When the United Food and Commercial Workers tried to organize workers across the country, labor experts were brought in for "coaching sessions" with personnel who support unionization. Employees complained that these were intimidation sessions. Many such complaints are currently on file with the National Labor Relations Board.

Whereas Wal-Mart employees start at the same salary as unionized employees in similar lines of work, they make 25 percent less than their unionized counterparts after two years at the job. The rapid turnover - 70 percent of employees leave within the first year - is attributed to a lack of recognition and inadequate pay, according to a survey Wal-Mart conducted. Yet this can work to the company's advantage, since it is more difficult for unions to organize when there is constant employee turnover.

Wal-Mart is the leading employer of people of color in the United States. More than 125,000 African Americans and more than 74,000 Latinos work at Wal-Mart and Sam's Club store's nationwide. Two Latinos sit on the board of directors along with two women out of 15 board members. Only one woman serves as an executive officer of the company.

Full-time employees are eligible for benefits, but the health insurance package is so expensive (employees pay 35 percent - almost double the national average) that less than half opt to buy it. Another benefit for employees is the option to buy company stock at a discount. Wal-Mart matches 15 percent of the first $1800 in stocks purchased. Yet most workers can't afford to buy the stock. In fact, not one in 50 workers has amassed as much as $50,000 through the stock-ownership pension plan. Voting power for these stocks remains with Wal-Mart management.
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Reply #33 posted 12/18/08 9:47am

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daPrettyman said:

MoniGram said:




Once again...Market HR...means he deals with normal employees and their issues. Including hiring, firing, wages etc.... He is in a 'retail' store everyday, these corporate 'guys' you speak of, are in stores daily! Home offices are in a regular Walmart. Like I say...know your facts....

We are both stating facts, just from 2 different perspectives.

Anyway, how do you explain the bad press they have received throughout the last few years for their practices and treatment of employees?
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Once again..most bad press comes from the UNION...they feel they should have their hands in EVERYTHING!!! If you would look at proper channels and research instead of listening to ONE opinion you would understand more. I would be saying this...even if the Father of my kids didn't work for this company. It's better to form opinions on things based on many different ideas, instead of basing it on one.
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Reply #34 posted 12/18/08 9:52am

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MoniGram said:

daPrettyman said:


We are both stating facts, just from 2 different perspectives.

Anyway, how do you explain the bad press they have received throughout the last few years for their practices and treatment of employees?
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Once again..most bad press comes from the UNION...they feel they should have their hands in EVERYTHING!!! If you would look at proper channels and research instead of listening to ONE opinion you would understand more. I would be saying this...even if the Father of my kids didn't work for this company. It's better to form opinions on things based on many different ideas, instead of basing it on one.


I understand that Unions start bad press. I have worked for 2 companies that have Unions (one is a large delivery company) and they are always trying to change people's perspectives. But, like I said, there are 3 sides to every story.
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Reply #35 posted 12/18/08 10:03am

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http://www.pbs.org/itvs/storewars/stores3.html

Working for Wal-Mart
Forbes magazine, polling business executives (not employees) has ranked Wal-Mart among the best 100 corporations to work for. Yet the employees on average take home pay of under $250 a week. The salary for full-time employees (called "associates") is $6 to $7.50 an hour for 28-40 hours a week, which is typical in the discount retail industry. This pay scale places employees with families below the poverty line, with the majority of employees' children qualifying for free lunch at school. When closely examined, this amounts to a form of corporate welfare, as the taxpayer subsidizes the low salaries. One-third are part-time employees - limited to less than 28 hours of work per week - and are not eligible for benefits.

The company is staunchly anti-union. New employees are shown videotapes explaining that instead of unionizing, they benefit from the open door policy, allowing them to take their complaints beyond the supervisors to higher management. When the United Food and Commercial Workers tried to organize workers across the country, labor experts were brought in for "coaching sessions" with personnel who support unionization. Employees complained that these were intimidation sessions. Many such complaints are currently on file with the National Labor Relations Board.

Whereas Wal-Mart employees start at the same salary as unionized employees in similar lines of work, they make 25 percent less than their unionized counterparts after two years at the job. The rapid turnover - 70 percent of employees leave within the first year - is attributed to a lack of recognition and inadequate pay, according to a survey Wal-Mart conducted. Yet this can work to the company's advantage, since it is more difficult for unions to organize when there is constant employee turnover.

Wal-Mart is the leading employer of people of color in the United States. More than 125,000 African Americans and more than 74,000 Latinos work at Wal-Mart and Sam's Club store's nationwide. Two Latinos sit on the board of directors along with two women out of 15 board members. Only one woman serves as an executive officer of the company.

Full-time employees are eligible for benefits, but the health insurance package is so expensive (employees pay 35 percent - almost double the national average) that less than half opt to buy it. Another benefit for employees is the option to buy company stock at a discount. Wal-Mart matches 15 percent of the first $1800 in stocks purchased. Yet most workers can't afford to buy the stock. In fact, not one in 50 workers has amassed as much as $50,000 through the stock-ownership pension plan. Voting power for these stocks remains with Wal-Mart management.
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I just looked at the website you posted...and all I can say is WOW! Like I said..UNION!! Oh I just loved this


"The open door policy is supposed to be so that you can complain to higher managers if you have a problem with one of the lower managers. The associates joke sometimes that the open door policy is really the "open your mouth and they'll show you the door policy." For example, this guy who worked in the parking lot at our store, when it got hot in the summer, he wanted to transfer inside and when he used the open door policy, they showed him the door. They fired him.

- from an exclusive interview with a Wal-Mart employee


First off I highly doubt the employee this person interviewed knew the whole story. And one can NOT be fired based on just coming in and talking! There is such a thing called labor laws! There had to be a reason behind this person's firing.

Then this article states clearly that the pay of the associates are in comparision to other retail stores. So I don't see how they get under paid. You can't just be hired on as managment with out work experience. That goes for any company.

And once again...the UNION has a big part in this. They tend to help other's form opinions concerning such things. Like I said...all employees complain about former employers.

I have spoke to the Father of my kids on this...and he stated...have these people compare Lee Scott's say against CEO's of other fortune 500 companies, then compare hourly rates between retailors.
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Reply #36 posted 12/18/08 1:44pm

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I got caught up in the Walmart mess but stopped shopping there years ago. Too many crying babies & rambunctious mf's for me. It helps that there's not one near me so I can't be tempted, but it can be convenient (like if you need some hardware item & no hardware stores are open, etc.). There was a tweeker in my Walmart - I don't know if he got high there or wandered in after the fact but he was enjoying his high in the housewares aisle boxed arrow
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Reply #37 posted 12/18/08 7:26pm

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daPrettyman said:

http://www.pbs.org/itvs/storewars/stores3.html

Working for Wal-Mart
Forbes magazine, polling business executives (not employees) has ranked Wal-Mart among the best 100 corporations to work for. Yet the employees on average take home pay of under $250 a week. The salary for full-time employees (called "associates") is $6 to $7.50 an hour for 28-40 hours a week, which is typical in the discount retail industry. This pay scale places employees with families below the poverty line, with the majority of employees' children qualifying for free lunch at school. When closely examined, this amounts to a form of corporate welfare, as the taxpayer subsidizes the low salaries. One-third are part-time employees - limited to less than 28 hours of work per week - and are not eligible for benefits.




This is the hourly wage I made when I worked retail....in the EARLY 90's! The only place I made any kind of money was at Macy's because we got paid commission every other week....they hire a large percentage of part-timers precisely so that they won't have to pay out huge amounts of profit for benefits for workers....and unions don't have a chance to gain a foothold in that type of environment because the turnover rate is so high....so no matter how much "influencing" the union reps attempt, in 6 months to a year, most of the folks they're trying to recruit will be gone....
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Reply #38 posted 12/19/08 3:43am

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reneGade20 said:

daPrettyman said:

http://www.pbs.org/itvs/storewars/stores3.html

Working for Wal-Mart
Forbes magazine, polling business executives (not employees) has ranked Wal-Mart among the best 100 corporations to work for. Yet the employees on average take home pay of under $250 a week. The salary for full-time employees (called "associates") is $6 to $7.50 an hour for 28-40 hours a week, which is typical in the discount retail industry. This pay scale places employees with families below the poverty line, with the majority of employees' children qualifying for free lunch at school. When closely examined, this amounts to a form of corporate welfare, as the taxpayer subsidizes the low salaries. One-third are part-time employees - limited to less than 28 hours of work per week - and are not eligible for benefits.




This is the hourly wage I made when I worked retail....in the EARLY 90's! The only place I made any kind of money was at Macy's because we got paid commission every other week....they hire a large percentage of part-timers precisely so that they won't have to pay out huge amounts of profit for benefits for workers....and unions don't have a chance to gain a foothold in that type of environment because the turnover rate is so high....so no matter how much "influencing" the union reps attempt, in 6 months to a year, most of the folks they're trying to recruit will be gone....


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Reply #39 posted 12/19/08 4:25am

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Wow,I didn't realize that there was so much hate for Wal-Mart lol In my area,our local Wal-Mart is nice.Then again,I always go there early in the morning when they first open...lol...

The Wal Marts in our area don't carry meats and produce.Our stores are very basic.When I visit my parents in the south,I'm always surprised to see food aisles and a deli department in their Wal-Marts.
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Reply #40 posted 12/19/08 6:04am

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myfavorite said:

or some derivative...sheesh...lol

I went on a saturday and then i was like...is that how all the stores look on saturday???


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Reply #41 posted 12/19/08 6:42am

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For the most part,I always do my shopping early in the morning.I NEVER go shopping late in the afternoon or the evening when a store is really crowded,so I've never seen a chaotic,messy situation at a Wal-Mart store lol
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Reply #42 posted 12/19/08 8:22am

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I despise WalMart. I think they don't care about the customer service, nor do they treat their employees right. I know several people that have worked there and they all had issues.

Walmart is always packed (even at 2am) with a bunch of people. Now, I'm not going to say all Walmarts are ghetto, but a lot of them are.

Give me Target any day.



don't let me have some extra change - of to target i go. i almost have to do wal-mart tho, ...it's practically across the street...shrug
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Reply #43 posted 12/19/08 8:46am

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daPrettyman said:

I despise WalMart. I think they don't care about the customer service, nor do they treat their employees right. I know several people that have worked there and they all had issues.

Walmart is always packed (even at 2am) with a bunch of people. Now, I'm not going to say all Walmarts are ghetto, but a lot of them are.

Give me Target any day.



Wal Mart IS a ghetto prepackaged for your enjoyment.


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Reply #44 posted 12/19/08 9:55am

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SoulAlive said:

Wow,I didn't realize that there was so much hate for Wal-Mart lol In my area,our local Wal-Mart is nice.Then again,I always go there early in the morning when they first open...lol...

The Wal Marts in our area don't carry meats and produce.Our stores are very basic.When I visit my parents in the south,I'm always surprised to see food aisles and a deli department in their Wal-Marts.


If you ever get to Plano, Texas (outside of Dallas), they have a "high end" Wal-Mart. They carry everything from $5.00 bottles of wine to $200 bottles of wine. They also carry high-end small appliances and gourmet food. This was the first one in the state (may be the first one ever) to carry high end items. They have always offered it at Sam's, but not at Wal-Mart.

Check out this article: http://walmartstores.com/.../5679.aspx





As you probably can tell, I'm not a big fan of the store, but this store is one of the nicest.
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Reply #45 posted 12/19/08 9:56am

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thekidsgirl said:

myfavorite said:

or some derivative...sheesh...lol

I went on a saturday and then i was like...is that how all the stores look on saturday???


well it is the holiday season

In my area, it doesn't matter if it's the holiday season or not. It stays packed. Even at 2am.
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Reply #46 posted 12/19/08 10:00am

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myfavorite said:

daPrettyman said:

I despise WalMart. I think they don't care about the customer service, nor do they treat their employees right. I know several people that have worked there and they all had issues.

Walmart is always packed (even at 2am) with a bunch of people. Now, I'm not going to say all Walmarts are ghetto, but a lot of them are.

Give me Target any day.



don't let me have some extra change - of to target i go. i almost have to do wal-mart tho, ...it's practically across the street...shrug

I do the same thing. I live close to 3 Wal-Marts and 4 Targets. Though Walmart is closer, I always shop at Target. The only thing I regularly purchase at Walmart is gasoline. I do that because they are the cheapest (even when gas was almost $4 a gallon, they were always 5 to 10cents cheaper). At least at the pump, I don't have to deal with screaming kids throwing toys in the aisle.

I LOVE Target. Even in "bad" or "ghetto" neighborhoods, Target stores are always nice, clean and smell clean. For Wal-Mart, it depends on the area of town you are in. You may walk in and smell the bathrooms as soon as you enter.
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Reply #47 posted 12/19/08 10:01am

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daPrettyman said:


Check out this article: http://walmartstores.com/.../5679.aspx





As you probably can tell, I'm not a big fan of the store, but this store is one of the nicest.



confuse but....there's no one there!!! Is THAT why it looks so nice??
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Reply #48 posted 12/19/08 10:05am

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reneGade20 said:

daPrettyman said:


Check out this article: http://walmartstores.com/.../5679.aspx





As you probably can tell, I'm not a big fan of the store, but this store is one of the nicest.



confuse but....there's no one there!!! Is THAT why it looks so nice??
lol

Well, most of these are promo shots from Wal-Mart's website. This store stays packed. Plano is a pretty "well-to-do" town/suburb and a lot of the people that live and work there can definitely afford the high-priced stuff there.
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reneGade20 said:




confuse but....there's no one there!!! Is THAT why it looks so nice??
lol

Well, most of these are promo shots from Wal-Mart's website. This store stays packed. Plano is a pretty "well-to-do" town/suburb and a lot of the people that live and work there can definitely afford the high-priced stuff there.



I think that if they kinda upgraded a few of their stores, and treated their employees better, the negative image they've so capably cultivated would improve....
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Reply #50 posted 12/19/08 11:01am

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reneGade20 said:

daPrettyman said:


Well, most of these are promo shots from Wal-Mart's website. This store stays packed. Plano is a pretty "well-to-do" town/suburb and a lot of the people that live and work there can definitely afford the high-priced stuff there.



I think that if they kinda upgraded a few of their stores, and treated their employees better, the negative image they've so capably cultivated would improve....

I agree with u. I think that is why they recently changed their logo and have started upgrading some stores. Since this "upscale" store opened in Plano, they have either upgraded several Wal-Marts in my area or built new ones. Now, the others don't carry a lot of high end stuff, but the stores look pretty good.
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Reply #51 posted 12/19/08 11:09am

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SoulAlive said:

Wow,I didn't realize that there was so much hate for Wal-Mart lol In my area,our local Wal-Mart is nice.Then again,I always go there early in the morning when they first open...lol...

The Wal Marts in our area don't carry meats and produce.Our stores are very basic.When I visit my parents in the south,I'm always surprised to see food aisles and a deli department in their Wal-Marts.


If you ever get to Plano, Texas (outside of Dallas), they have a "high end" Wal-Mart. They carry everything from $5.00 bottles of wine to $200 bottles of wine. They also carry high-end small appliances and gourmet food. This was the first one in the state (may be the first one ever) to carry high end items. They have always offered it at Sam's, but not at Wal-Mart.

Check out this article: http://walmartstores.com/.../5679.aspx





As you probably can tell, I'm not a big fan of the store, but this store is one of the nicest.


well they are trying to get a clue from Target biting off their design conscious style and have even went so far as to revamp their logo to a similar icon as Targets.
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daPrettyman said:

reneGade20 said:




I think that if they kinda upgraded a few of their stores, and treated their employees better, the negative image they've so capably cultivated would improve....

I agree with u. I think that is why they recently changed their logo and have started upgrading some stores. Since this "upscale" store opened in Plano, they have either upgraded several Wal-Marts in my area or built new ones. Now, the others don't carry a lot of high end stuff, but the stores look pretty good.



we'll see if that holds true then....they're supposed to be building a Super Wal-Mart here in Sierra Vista.....so anything is possible...
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Reply #53 posted 12/27/08 11:37am

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reneGade20 said:

daPrettyman said:


I agree with u. I think that is why they recently changed their logo and have started upgrading some stores. Since this "upscale" store opened in Plano, they have either upgraded several Wal-Marts in my area or built new ones. Now, the others don't carry a lot of high end stuff, but the stores look pretty good.



we'll see if that holds true then....they're supposed to be building a Super Wal-Mart here in Sierra Vista.....so anything is possible...

You will definitely get the new layout. It may not be an "upscale" store that sells $200 wine, but the design will be nice.
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