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SCNDLS

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Sean Avery is OUTTA Here!

It's about time teams hold these athletes accountable for the shit they say. thumbs up!


No matter how co-GM Brett Hull championed his worth and pled his case, there was only one way Sean Avery was getting back on the Dallas Stars at this time: playing the rehabilitation card.

Falling on his sword in front of his teammates and attempting to convince them that, like Michael Richards and Mel Gibson before him, the issues that motivated his detrimental behavior had been medicinally addressed.

The problem, however, was that the Stars made it publically and perfectly clear they weren't going to listen. Mike Modano, who is the Dallas Stars, said Avery had tarnished the franchise. Coach Dave Tippett, whom Avery directly insulted by calling his "sloppy seconds" press conference, told the media that "I find it hard to believe that Sean could come back in that dressing room and we could find that continuity again."

The bridges still smoldering, Dallas management made it official today that Avery would not return to the team; although they'll still pay him and continue to support his therapy.

From the Associated Press, here's the reaction from Hull:

I honestly believe the issues that Sean had really kind of festered when he came to Dallas and things didn't work out for him as he had planned, as we had planned," Hull said. "But I think a lot of those things were brought on by himself. It's a two-way street. You have to be accepted, but you have to do everything you can to be accepted. It was just a bad situation."

Hull was surprised that Avery didn't know better. "I don't know how many times you can go through the league office before you realize you can't do this any more," he said.

Because the Avery signing backfired so quickly, questions have been raised about Hull's ability as a talent evaluator. He said Sunday this was just a learning experience, noting that "there's a lot of teams that have made mistakes."

"Disappointed? Yeah. Frustrated? Yeah. You can pick (an emotion), they've probably been there over the last few weeks," he said.

Coming up, the official statement from the Stars and a note about Avery's future.

From the Dallas Stars today:

The Dallas Stars today announced that Sean Avery will not return to the NHL team. Representatives for both Avery and the Stars said they would continue to work together in support of Avery during "this critical time" for the player. All parties said there is a clear understanding that a return to the Stars is not in the best interest of either the hockey club or Avery.

"Sean needs to focus on his own well-being while the Stars hockey team must focus on playing hockey and competing for a playoff spot," said Stars Co-General Manager Brett Hull. "Everyone understands that Sean will not return to the Dallas Stars. We all need to move forward."

Stars management also said the team would not seek to challenge Avery's contract under the conduct clause included in the Standard Player's Contract. The agreement's Paragraph 2 (e) directs all NHL players "to refrain from conduct detrimental to the best interest of the Club, the League or professional hockey generally." Avery was suspended by the NHL last week for comments he made prior to a game with Calgary.

"The message here is: no distractions. Sean can focus on resolving his personal issues," said Hull, "and the Stars will have closure on this episode. The team needs to put its energies into winning."

The Stars said the team will continue to honor Avery's contract while exploring all options for his hockey future consistent with the terms of his counseling.

"We do care about Sean and want what is best for him," said Hull. "We've agreed to do what we can to help find him a place to play hockey once he addresses his personal issues."

Busy day for the Stars, as they also traded for center Brian Sutherby from the Anaheim Ducks.

Back to Avery: His NHL career is far from over, despite all of this.

His contract status is going to be a tough puzzle to solve, because that's a lot of years and a mighty cap hit for a wild card. But by next summer, he'll be able to claim a substantial amount of therapy and rehabilitation in seeking another team. And completely lost in this situation is that Avery had been playing good hockey since Brenden Morrow's injury, and earning more ice time because of it.

Plus, in a League where specialized skills are always at a premium, Avery's on-ice abilities as an energy player and professional agitator can't be underestimated; Claude Lemieux is playing in the minors based on that reputation alone. On the right team, Avery's abilities could be downright essential, if he keeps his nose clean off the ice.

To anyone who thinks a player whose actions were damaging to his team, insulting to the League and a potential career-killer can't return to the NHL -- obviously, you haven't noticed who's wearing No. 7 for the Calgary Flames this season.

Still ... not a good day for Avery. Not a good day for the Dallas Stars. And in nearly every facet of this situation, not a good time for the National Hockey League, which managing to look hypercritical, petty and misguided by making this a League issue rather than a team issue. Lessons all around, but has anyone learned them?

Related: Mike Modano, Sean Avery
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Reply #1 posted 12/15/08 9:33am

Mach

SCNDLS said:

It's about time teams hold these athletes accountable for the shit they say. thumbs up!



It's far past time thumbs up!

They should be the up most role models and that should be EXPECTED with the amount of $ they make and IN their contracts - period




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[Edited 12/15/08 9:34am]
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Reply #2 posted 12/15/08 9:36am

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Mach said:

SCNDLS said:

It's about time teams hold these athletes accountable for the shit they say. thumbs up!



It's far past time thumbs up!

They should be the up most role models and that should be EXPECTED with the amount of $ they make and IN their contracts - period




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[Edited 12/15/08 9:34am]

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Reply #3 posted 12/15/08 10:01am

uPtoWnNY

Mach said:

SCNDLS said:

It's about time teams hold these athletes accountable for the shit they say. thumbs up!



It's far past time thumbs up!

They should be the up most role models and that should be EXPECTED with the amount of $ they make and IN their contracts - period




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But it's ridiculous for parents to expect these cats as role models in the first place. They're entertainers, no different than actors or rock stars. So why are they expected to be a shining example for kids? They're flawed, just like the rest of us. Admire what they do on the court/field, and that's it.

As for Avery, this whole thing is stupid. Yeah, he's not PC and he's a jerk, but so what? "Sloppy seconds" warrants getting kicked off the team? Please. I could see dumping him if he carried an illegal firearm into a club, but this shit is crazy. He didn't 'fit in', and the team was looking for any excuse to drop him.
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Reply #4 posted 12/15/08 10:10am

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uPtoWnNY said:

Mach said:



It's far past time thumbs up!

They should be the up most role models and that should be EXPECTED with the amount of $ they make and IN their contracts - period




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But it's ridiculous for parents to expect these cats as role models in the first place. They're entertainers, no different than actors or rock stars. So why are they expected to be a shining example for kids? They're flawed, just like the rest of us. Admire what they do on the court/field, and that's it.

As for Avery, this whole thing is stupid. Yeah, he's not PC and he's a jerk, but so what? "Sloppy seconds" warrants getting kicked off the team? Please. I could see dumping him if he carried an illegal firearm into a club, but this shit is crazy. He didn't 'fit in', and the team was looking for any excuse to drop him.

I agree that athletes are not supposed to raise people's kids BUT professional sports in general are sold and marketed as family entertainment. Anything that goes against that can diminish a franchise's earning potential. Yes controversy sells but he took it one step too far in the eyes of the team. I actually liked him cuz he admitted to playing with dolls as a child, checking out women's shoes and handbags, attends fashion shows, and has crazy fashion sense. cool But you can't make comments like he did over the years and not expect to pay for it eventually. shrug
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Reply #5 posted 12/15/08 10:31am

Mach

uPtoWnNY said:

Mach said:



It's far past time thumbs up!

They should be the up most role models and that should be EXPECTED with the amount of $ they make and IN their contracts - period




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But it's ridiculous for parents to expect these cats as role models in the first place. They're entertainers, no different than actors or rock stars. So why are they expected to be a shining example for kids? They're flawed, just like the rest of us. Admire what they do on the court/field, and that's it.

As for Avery, this whole thing is stupid. Yeah, he's not PC and he's a jerk, but so what? "Sloppy seconds" warrants getting kicked off the team? Please. I could see dumping him if he carried an illegal firearm into a club, but this shit is crazy. He didn't 'fit in', and the team was looking for any excuse to drop him.


I think it's ridiculos NOT to expect them to be role models for EVERYONE - not just children lol BIG $ means big expectations and NOT just in their athletic play - sure we are all flawed and that's fine - I just support the teams taking action when their overpayed players act an Ass thumbs up!
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Reply #6 posted 12/15/08 10:35am

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uPtoWnNY said:

Mach said:



It's far past time thumbs up!

They should be the up most role models and that should be EXPECTED with the amount of $ they make and IN their contracts - period




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But it's ridiculous for parents to expect these cats as role models in the first place. They're entertainers, no different than actors or rock stars. So why are they expected to be a shining example for kids? They're flawed, just like the rest of us. Admire what they do on the court/field, and that's it.

As for Avery, this whole thing is stupid. Yeah, he's not PC and he's a jerk, but so what? "Sloppy seconds" warrants getting kicked off the team? Please. I could see dumping him if he carried an illegal firearm into a club, but this shit is crazy. He didn't 'fit in', and the team was looking for any excuse to drop him.


Exactly. And they exercised their right to give him the boot. Would you keep an employee that didn't fit? I wouldn't.
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Reply #7 posted 12/15/08 11:11am

uPtoWnNY

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I think it's ridiculos NOT to expect them to be role models for EVERYONE - not just children lol BIG $ means big expectations and NOT just in their athletic play - sure we are all flawed and that's fine - I just support the teams taking action when their overpayed players act an Ass thumbs up!



Do you feel the same way when some overpaid actor/musician acts like an ass?

As long as these fools don't break the law, I could care less what they do/say off the field. All a professional athlete owes me(as a fan) is to give his all on gameday.
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Reply #8 posted 12/15/08 11:31am

Mach

uPtoWnNY said:

Mach said:

I think it's ridiculos NOT to expect them to be role models for EVERYONE - not just children lol BIG $ means big expectations and NOT just in their athletic play - sure we are all flawed and that's fine - I just support the teams taking action when their overpayed players act an Ass thumbs up!



Do you feel the same way when some overpaid actor/musician acts like an ass?

As long as these fools don't break the law, I could care less what they do/say off the field. All a professional athlete owes me(as a fan) is to give his all on gameday.



Yes I do 100% - same goes for that ASS of a president

I understand your view on what you feel owed by them, as many do

Perhaps I am from the Old school in coaching / team / athletes

we expected far more from them then to just show up oon game day and give 100%


rose
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Reply #9 posted 12/15/08 11:39am

uPtoWnNY

Mach said:

uPtoWnNY said:




Do you feel the same way when some overpaid actor/musician acts like an ass?

As long as these fools don't break the law, I could care less what they do/say off the field. All a professional athlete owes me(as a fan) is to give his all on gameday.



Yes I do 100% - same goes for that ASS of a president

I understand your view on what you feel owed by them, as many do

Perhaps I am from the Old school in coaching / team / athletes

we expected far more from them then to just show up oon game day and give 100%


rose



Athletes were hellraisers back in the day, too. Difference is, there was no internet and many times, reporters looked the other way.
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Reply #10 posted 12/15/08 11:41am

Mach

uPtoWnNY said:

Mach said:



Yes I do 100% - same goes for that ASS of a president

I understand your view on what you feel owed by them, as many do

Perhaps I am from the Old school in coaching / team / athletes

we expected far more from them then to just show up oon game day and give 100%


rose



Athletes were hellraisers back in the day, too. Difference is, there was no internet and many times, reporters looked the other way.


Very true nod


I was speaking more of my expectations I guess from my team members when coaching lol
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Reply #11 posted 12/15/08 1:31pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

But it's ridiculous for parents to expect these cats as role models in the first place. They're entertainers, no different than actors or rock stars. So why are they expected to be a shining example for kids? They're flawed, just like the rest of us. Admire what they do on the court/field, and that's it.


TELL THE TRUTH worship

I don't understand how folks idolize people who're MORE fucked-up in the head then them.

And frankly, if they do it regardless, they deserve whats coming to them.

People are acting like these celebs owe them something these days I wouldn't be supriced if one of them got sued for "improper influence" lol
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Reply #12 posted 12/15/08 1:43pm

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On the topic of role models, what makes more of a negative impression on children: referring to a girlfriend as "sloppy seconds" or fighting with a player on the opposite team on the ice to the point where the other player is bleeding?
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Reply #13 posted 12/15/08 2:16pm

uPtoWnNY

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uPtoWnNY said:

But it's ridiculous for parents to expect these cats as role models in the first place. They're entertainers, no different than actors or rock stars. So why are they expected to be a shining example for kids? They're flawed, just like the rest of us. Admire what they do on the court/field, and that's it.


TELL THE TRUTH worship

I don't understand how folks idolize people who're MORE fucked-up in the head then them.

And frankly, if they do it regardless, they deserve whats coming to them.

People are acting like these celebs owe them something these days I wouldn't be supriced if one of them got sued for "improper influence" lol



Even more ridiculous are 'fans' who complain about athletes only caring about money. Well duh! It's their career - why shouldn't they care about money? Shit, they generate tons of revenue and they put tremendous wear and tear on their bodies. No one cares when Tom Cruise makes $20 mil a film, but pro athletes are supposed to turn down loot, when the rest of the country doesn't. How dumb is that?
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