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Thread started 12/13/08 8:04pm

Dauphin

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Math Brain Teaser

May have been posted before:

a = x
a+a = a+x
2a = a+x
2a-2x = a+x-2x
2(a-x) = a+x-2x
2(a-x) = a-x
2 = 1


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Reply #1 posted 12/13/08 8:08pm

abierman

wrong forum.....wait, wrong website! nod
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Reply #2 posted 12/13/08 8:58pm

EmeraldSkies

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eek
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Reply #3 posted 12/13/08 10:06pm

Flowers2

this is my thing nod I love this kind of stuff..
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Reply #4 posted 12/13/08 10:09pm

obsessed

Flowers2 said:

this is my thing nod I love this kind of stuff..


So what's your answer then? lol

It's too late at night for me to sit and figure out formulas. shrug

I probably wouldn't bother anyway lol
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Reply #5 posted 12/13/08 10:29pm

Flowers2

obsessed said:

Flowers2 said:

this is my thing nod I love this kind of stuff..


So what's your answer then? lol

It's too late at night for me to sit and figure out formulas. shrug

I probably wouldn't bother anyway lol



I'm with you, it's late lol lol .. to get the energy to try to do formulas @ 1:25am will exhaust me more lol .. but I do love this..
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Reply #6 posted 12/13/08 10:41pm

ArielB

it could be any number you want.


Wait....2=1???
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Reply #7 posted 12/13/08 10:44pm

Flowers2

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Wait....2=1???



I saw that and decided to figure this out tomorrow.. this requires energy I don't have right now..
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Reply #8 posted 12/14/08 2:07am

ImAKawak

I don't even understand one word. eek
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Reply #9 posted 12/14/08 2:12am

HamsterHuey

abierman said:

wrong forum.....wait, wrong website! nod


Yeah, like one with smart people.

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Reply #10 posted 12/14/08 2:17am

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Since a=x, a-x=0
So in the last term, where you divide the left and right part by a-x, you're divinding by zero, which is not possible.

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Reply #11 posted 12/14/08 2:20am

HamsterHuey

AlfofMelmak said:

Since a=x, a-x=0
So in the last term, where you divide the left and right part by a-x, you're divinding by zero, which is not possible.

What'd I win? cool


Doofus Of The Week Award!

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Reply #12 posted 12/14/08 2:20am

HamsterHuey

But seriously, I wish I had a brain like that.

Good one, Favourite Left Leg.
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Reply #13 posted 12/14/08 3:41am

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Ahem, Urban dictionary:
doofus:
Someone who hasn't got a clue!
They live in blissful ignorance of the world, fashion, personal hygiene and social skills.


Perfect recipe for hairy legs woot!
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Reply #14 posted 12/14/08 7:04am

ArielB

AlfofMelmak said:

Since a=x, a-x=0
So in the last term, where you divide the left and right part by a-x, you're divinding by zero, which is not possible.

What'd I win? cool

I don't see any dividing done. Only multiplying.
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Reply #15 posted 12/14/08 9:22am

damosuzuki

I don't really understand how this is a brain teaser. It's just wrong.

If a = x, then a-x=0

so 2(a-x) = a-x
is 2(0) = 0

the last step made in the original post was dividing (a-x)/(a-x) and taking that to be one, but 0/0 is 0, of course. I'm sure Moonbeam or another math geek can provide a better technical explanation with proper terminology, but I'm pretty certain that's all there is to it in laymen's terms.
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Reply #16 posted 12/14/08 9:29am

Efan

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damosuzuki said:

I don't really understand how this is a brain teaser. It's just wrong.

If a = x, the a-x=0

so 2(a-x) = a-x
is 2(0) = 0

the last step made in the original post was dividing (a-x)/(a-x) and taking that to be one, but 0/0 is 0, of course. I'm sure Moonbeam or another math geek can provide a better technical explanation with proper terminology, but I'm pretty certain that's all there is to it in laymen's terms.


There's no dividing in the original post, just multiplying.

I think the point of this math problem is that "a" could equal 2 and "x" could equal 1 (or vice versa) and all the equations would work out. But that doesn't mean that 2 equals 1.
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Reply #17 posted 12/14/08 9:40am

damosuzuki

Efan said:

damosuzuki said:

I don't really understand how this is a brain teaser. It's just wrong.

If a = x, the a-x=0

so 2(a-x) = a-x
is 2(0) = 0

the last step made in the original post was dividing (a-x)/(a-x) and taking that to be one, but 0/0 is 0, of course. I'm sure Moonbeam or another math geek can provide a better technical explanation with proper terminology, but I'm pretty certain that's all there is to it in laymen's terms.


There's no dividing in the original post, just multiplying.

I think the point of this math problem is that "a" could equal 2 and "x" could equal 1 (or vice versa) and all the equations would work out. But that doesn't mean that 2 equals 1.


There's an 'implied' division in the last two steps to reduce the equation.

To get from:
2(a-x) = a-x

To
2 = 1

You have to take this step:

[2(a-x)]/(a-x) = (a-x)/(a-x)

Which if a >< x, would then prove that 2=1. But a=x, so both sides of the equation = 0.

I may be wrong, but that's all I see there.
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Reply #18 posted 12/14/08 9:42am

AlfofMelmak

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Efan said:

damosuzuki said:

I don't really understand how this is a brain teaser. It's just wrong.

If a = x, the a-x=0

so 2(a-x) = a-x
is 2(0) = 0

the last step made in the original post was dividing (a-x)/(a-x) and taking that to be one, but 0/0 is 0, of course. I'm sure Moonbeam or another math geek can provide a better technical explanation with proper terminology, but I'm pretty certain that's all there is to it in laymen's terms.


There's no dividing in the original post, just multiplying.

I think the point of this math problem is that "a" could equal 2 and "x" could equal 1 (or vice versa) and all the equations would work out. But that doesn't mean that 2 equals 1.


And how about that last step, what happens there?
2(a-x)=a-x
2=1

The left term is divided by (a-x), to end up with 2. To keep equality between the left and right term, the latter also must be divided by (a-x), which indeed would be 1.
But since a-x=0, you would be dividing by zero.
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Reply #19 posted 12/14/08 9:46am

DanceWme

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too much for my dumb brain
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Reply #20 posted 12/14/08 9:55am

Efan

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AlfofMelmak said:

Efan said:



There's no dividing in the original post, just multiplying.

I think the point of this math problem is that "a" could equal 2 and "x" could equal 1 (or vice versa) and all the equations would work out. But that doesn't mean that 2 equals 1.


And how about that last step, what happens there?
2(a-x)=a-x
2=1

The left term is divided by (a-x), to end up with 2. To keep equality between the left and right term, the latter also must be divided by (a-x), which indeed would be 1.
But since a-x=0, you would be dividing by zero.


I could be totally looking at this wrong, but I didn't think these were steps; I thought they were individual equations. So the first one after a = x (a+a = a+x) is separate and doesn't have anything to do with the last one or any of the other ones. I thought that the point was just showing that you could do all of those equations using either 1 or 2. But you would have to have both a and x equal 1 or both a and x equal 2; you can't have them equal the two numbers at the same time. So it doesn't really seem like a brain teaser; just an oddity of how you can use both numbers to fit into these equations. Does that make sense? I could be totally off on what this is talking about...
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Reply #21 posted 12/14/08 10:03am

damosuzuki

Efan said:

AlfofMelmak said:



And how about that last step, what happens there?
2(a-x)=a-x
2=1

The left term is divided by (a-x), to end up with 2. To keep equality between the left and right term, the latter also must be divided by (a-x), which indeed would be 1.
But since a-x=0, you would be dividing by zero.


I could be totally looking at this wrong, but I didn't think these were steps; I thought they were individual equations. So the first one after a = x (a+a = a+x) is separate and doesn't have anything to do with the last one or any of the other ones. I thought that the point was just showing that you could do all of those equations using either 1 or 2. But you would have to have both a and x equal 1 or both a and x equal 2; you can't have them equal the two numbers at the same time. So it doesn't really seem like a brain teaser; just an oddity of how you can use both numbers to fit into these equations. Does that make sense? I could be totally off on what this is talking about...


These are a series of steps, of equations.

This is where the equation gets "zeroed" out:
2a-2x = a+x-2x

At this point, they've made the equation state 0 = 0, and it carries through until the last step, where they "lie" to you by stating that 0/0=1, not 0.
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Reply #22 posted 12/14/08 10:18am

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damosuzuki said:

Efan said:



I could be totally looking at this wrong, but I didn't think these were steps; I thought they were individual equations. So the first one after a = x (a+a = a+x) is separate and doesn't have anything to do with the last one or any of the other ones. I thought that the point was just showing that you could do all of those equations using either 1 or 2. But you would have to have both a and x equal 1 or both a and x equal 2; you can't have them equal the two numbers at the same time. So it doesn't really seem like a brain teaser; just an oddity of how you can use both numbers to fit into these equations. Does that make sense? I could be totally off on what this is talking about...


These are a series of steps, of equations.

This is where the equation gets "zeroed" out:
2a-2x = a+x-2x

At this point, they've made the equation state 0 = 0, and it carries through until the last step, where they "lie" to you by stating that 0/0=1, not 0.


If I had a gif of Emily Littella saying, "Oh, that's different. Never mind!" I would post it here. I misunderstood, so disregard what I was saying.
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Reply #23 posted 12/14/08 10:27am

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Efan said:

AlfofMelmak said:



And how about that last step, what happens there?
2(a-x)=a-x
2=1

The left term is divided by (a-x), to end up with 2. To keep equality between the left and right term, the latter also must be divided by (a-x), which indeed would be 1.
But since a-x=0, you would be dividing by zero.


I could be totally looking at this wrong, but I didn't think these were steps; I thought they were individual equations. So the first one after a = x (a+a = a+x) is separate and doesn't have anything to do with the last one or any of the other ones. I thought that the point was just showing that you could do all of those equations using either 1 or 2. But you would have to have both a and x equal 1 or both a and x equal 2; you can't have them equal the two numbers at the same time. So it doesn't really seem like a brain teaser; just an oddity of how you can use both numbers to fit into these equations. Does that make sense? I could be totally off on what this is talking about...


Every line is exactly the same as the next; You can rewrite every equation as long as you do the same to the left as the right part of the equation.
so to: a = x
is added an a to both sides of the =
-> a+a = a+x, then rewrite to 2a = a+x

now substract 2x both left and right.
2a-2x = a+x-2x

rewrites to
2(a-x) = a+x-2x
2(a-x) = a-x

so this equation is exactly the same as a=x
And it doesn't matter which number a or x is, it's the same. It has nothing to do with them being 1 or 2.
if x = 0, so is a: fill in the last equation: 2(0) = 0
if x = 1, so is a: fill in the last equation: 2(0) = 0
if x = 11224868632433432.93278482764832648, so is a: fill in the last equation: 2(0) = 0

The teaser is in the last 2 lines; going from 2(a-x) to just 2, you would have to divide by (a-x). If the first line would have read a-x=0, you would have immediately seen the solution, but instead it was shown as a=x
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Reply #24 posted 12/14/08 11:08am

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AlfofMelmak said:

Efan said:



I could be totally looking at this wrong, but I didn't think these were steps; I thought they were individual equations. So the first one after a = x (a+a = a+x) is separate and doesn't have anything to do with the last one or any of the other ones. I thought that the point was just showing that you could do all of those equations using either 1 or 2. But you would have to have both a and x equal 1 or both a and x equal 2; you can't have them equal the two numbers at the same time. So it doesn't really seem like a brain teaser; just an oddity of how you can use both numbers to fit into these equations. Does that make sense? I could be totally off on what this is talking about...


Every line is exactly the same as the next; You can rewrite every equation as long as you do the same to the left as the right part of the equation.
so to: a = x
is added an a to both sides of the =
-> a+a = a+x, then rewrite to 2a = a+x

now substract 2x both left and right.
2a-2x = a+x-2x

rewrites to
2(a-x) = a+x-2x
2(a-x) = a-x

so this equation is exactly the same as a=x
And it doesn't matter which number a or x is, it's the same. It has nothing to do with them being 1 or 2.
if x = 0, so is a: fill in the last equation: 2(0) = 0
if x = 1, so is a: fill in the last equation: 2(0) = 0
if x = 11224868632433432.93278482764832648, so is a: fill in the last equation: 2(0) = 0

The teaser is in the last 2 lines; going from 2(a-x) to just 2, you would have to divide by (a-x). If the first line would have read a-x=0, you would have immediately seen the solution, but instead it was shown as a=x

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Reply #25 posted 12/14/08 1:59pm

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Reply #26 posted 12/14/08 2:13pm

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mcmeekle said:


Co-sign. nod


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Reply #27 posted 12/14/08 2:13pm

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I divided x by 2 and got > < confused neutral


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