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PrintableI'm not really concerned with whether people think I am a whore or not...but I'll tell you this. You wouldn't find one person who knows me who would call me that because of some reputation of sleeping around or being easy to get with. It's quite the opposite actually.
They'd call me a whore because of the things I am willing to do and like to do with the person I am sleeping with and I'm totally ok with that.  | |
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abierman said: Ocean said: Actually I have to say I don't find it attractive in a male when he has had quite a few partners.....
I see, you rather have a guy who doesn't have a fuckin' clue???  Hold on now, a guy could have had sex with only three different women, but thousands of times with each. He might know what he's doing. | |
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JustErin said: I'm not really concerned with whether people think I am a whore or not...but I'll tell you this. You wouldn't find one person who knows me who would call me that because of some reputation of sleeping around or being easy to get with. It's quite the opposite actually.
They'd call me a whore because of the things I am willing to do and like to do with the person I am sleeping with and I'm totally ok with that. we're totally okay with you being a whore for that too.....we really wouldn't want it otherwise!  | |
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CarrieMpls said: abierman said: to be honest, I'd rather would have been my age and be with one & the same and happy, than constantly looking for one and have the collateral misses..... oh well.... Apparently that still means you're a whore. But it's OK for you, you're a guy. okay now, you know i support the feminist ideal but let me play ho's advocate here and interject a scientific fact men and women have different genitals. because womens' vagina consists of a lot of sensitive mucous mebrane type tissues, we actually are more susceptible to contracting STDs than are males. unfortunately, this is an actual fact. they have outies, WE have innies which lead right smack up to our uterus. that being said, with safe sex practices, and always being alert for sexual predators (date rape drug etc.) there should be no reason why women if they choose should't be able to have multiple partners if they want to. [Edited 12/13/08 16:50pm] | |
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If a man offers a woman sex he probably get bitch-slapped or accused of sexuall harasment. Freedom is to trust that you're doing what you must according to your lust | |
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shanti0608 said: Not yet.
ditto.. honestly (and I really did think about it).. I've never heard a 'no' | |
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sextonseven said: abierman said: I see, you rather have a guy who doesn't have a fuckin' clue??? Hold on now, a guy could have had sex with only three different women, but thousands of times with each. He might know what he's doing. There u go  | |
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sextonseven said: abierman said: I see, you rather have a guy who doesn't have a fuckin' clue??? Hold on now, a guy could have had sex with only three different women, but thousands of times with each. He might know what he's doing. My first boyfriend lost his virginity with me, and he was the best I ever had, for 5 great years | |
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ZombieKitten said: sextonseven said: Hold on now, a guy could have had sex with only three different women, but thousands of times with each. He might know what he's doing. My first boyfriend lost his virginity with me, and he was the best I ever had, for 5 great years U might want to make sure The Master doesn't read that  | |
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Imago said: CarrieMpls said: All your feminist cred goes out the window when you say stuff like this.
ah well. Wait wait wait. I respect a woman's right to sleep with whoever she wants, and to have as may partners as she wants. They're just not attractive to me. For the record, I support women who want to wear hair scrunchies too. But that doesn't mean, in my bed 
Besides, like I said--girls have their double standards too. And that's fine. We're talking about sex here--not trying to solve the world's problems. . [Edited 12/12/08 11:22am] Let me say first that I don't give a flying fuck who you, personally, do or do not, wish to sleep with. But. . . I do think there's a difference between an aesthetic preference and a socially regressive (sexist, racist, whatever) sort of judgment. Also to be clear, yes, I'm totally taking Carrie's side. I think you've been really defensive and dismissive of her honest attempts to understand. I know you guys have a friendship and can deal with each other. I'm just sayin'. Yer bein' an ass. 
Aesthetic preferences, or personality preferences, usually aren't something we really think much about. They just ARE. And they vary a lot from person to person. They don't usually imply some biased, judgmental thing. But let's use the ethnicity example to illustrate a difference. I, for one, do not tend to find Asian people to be attractive. I do tend to find African people to be attractive. These preferences are based purely on aesthetics. Prefer the skin tone, facial features, and body shapes of Africans. I don't know why. Lots of other people have different preferences in this regard. It just is. However, if I said that I do not tend to find Asian people attractive because they are often sexist and racist, and that I do find African people to be attractive because they tend to be very sexually driven . . . I think it would be fair to accuse me of holding on to racist cultural stereotypes. Those are judgments about people, based on beliefs held about them, not on some gut reaction to the shape of an ass. To say that women are less attractive because they've had a lot of partners is a judgment, based on beliefs held about what "those kinds of girls" are like. You might not stop and think about it that way, just like a racist might not stop and THINK about why they don't date Asian people. But it's a bigoted sort of judgment underlying the preference nonetheless. This case is even more clear with race, because it's obviously NOT aesthetic, and there's no associated 'type'. You can't tell how many partners a woman has had until you ask (you might THINK you can, but that would also be based on unfair cultural stereotypes). Unlike racial preferences, which vary widely (ie. as many people prefer Asians as prefer Africans), the vast majority of guys, if they have a preference in this area, will prefer a girl who has had fewer partners. Not more. When that's not true, it's usually, "cuz she's more likely to fuck me :smirk: ". Women feel the weight of a culture that says we're worth less if we like sex, want sex, have sex. Except as fucktoys, of course. And people who say they won't date us if they know we've had >(some arbitrary number) of partners reinforce that. Because, what else could it be based on? Which was Carrie's question. If it's not based on sexist bullshit, then what IS that preference based on? We can't imagine what it might be. "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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Imago said: CarrieMpls said: OK, Dan, explain to me WHY you hold that preference for women but not for men.
Because men and women are different. Duh.
I mean, if a man is emotional or cries alot, most girls I know would get pretty tired of him quickly. is it fair? Hell I don't know. It's just the way it is. I doubt these women are anti-male because of it. It's just sexual preferences. I'm not the one painting labels here or upset at them . It's sex. I DO think that's anti-male, and I don't think that's a "sexual preference", I think that's a stupid, regressive judgment. I think guys have every right to be upset about that double-standard as well. That their proper behavior, according to gender stereotypes held in our culture, is to be un-emotional. . . WTF? That is a fucking horrible expectation for a full-fledged human being to live with. Double-standards are almost always based on something that is damaging to one of the groups of people involved. "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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tackam said: Imago said: Wait wait wait. I respect a woman's right to sleep with whoever she wants, and to have as may partners as she wants. They're just not attractive to me. For the record, I support women who want to wear hair scrunchies too. But that doesn't mean, in my bed
Besides, like I said--girls have their double standards too. And that's fine. We're talking about sex here--not trying to solve the world's problems. . [Edited 12/12/08 11:22am] Let me say first that I don't give a flying fuck who you, personally, do or do not, wish to sleep with. But. . . I do think there's a difference between an aesthetic preference and a socially regressive (sexist, racist, whatever) sort of judgment. Also to be clear, yes, I'm totally taking Carrie's side. I think you've been really defensive and dismissive of her honest attempts to understand. I know you guys have a friendship and can deal with each other. I'm just sayin'. Yer bein' an ass.
Aesthetic preferences, or personality preferences, usually aren't something we really think much about. They just ARE. And they vary a lot from person to person. They don't usually imply some biased, judgmental thing. But let's use the ethnicity example to illustrate a difference. I, for one, do not tend to find Asian people to be attractive. I do tend to find African people to be attractive. These preferences are based purely on aesthetics. Prefer the skin tone, facial features, and body shapes of Africans. I don't know why. Lots of other people have different preferences in this regard. It just is. However, if I said that I do not tend to find Asian people attractive because they are often sexist and racist, and that I do find African people to be attractive because they tend to be very sexually driven . . . I think it would be fair to accuse me of holding on to racist cultural stereotypes. Those are judgments about people, based on beliefs held about them, not on some gut reaction to the shape of an ass. To say that women are less attractive because they've had a lot of partners is a judgment, based on beliefs held about what "those kinds of girls" are like. You might not stop and think about it that way, just like a racist might not stop and THINK about why they don't date Asian people. But it's a bigoted sort of judgment underlying the preference nonetheless. This case is even more clear with race, because it's obviously NOT aesthetic, and there's no associated 'type'. You can't tell how many partners a woman has had until you ask (you might THINK you can, but that would also be based on unfair cultural stereotypes). Unlike racial preferences, which vary widely (ie. as many people prefer Asians as prefer Africans), the vast majority of guys, if they have a preference in this area, will prefer a girl who has had fewer partners. Not more. When that's not true, it's usually, "cuz she's more likely to fuck me :smirk: ". Women feel the weight of a culture that says we're worth less if we like sex, want sex, have sex. Except as fucktoys, of course. And people who say they won't date us if they know we've had >(some arbitrary number) of partners reinforce that. Because, what else could it be based on? Which was Carrie's question. If it's not based on sexist bullshit, then what IS that preference based on? We can't imagine what it might be.  | |
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tackam said: Imago said: Wait wait wait. I respect a woman's right to sleep with whoever she wants, and to have as may partners as she wants. They're just not attractive to me. For the record, I support women who want to wear hair scrunchies too. But that doesn't mean, in my bed
Besides, like I said--girls have their double standards too. And that's fine. We're talking about sex here--not trying to solve the world's problems. . [Edited 12/12/08 11:22am] Let me say first that I don't give a flying fuck who you, personally, do or do not, wish to sleep with. But. . . I do think there's a difference between an aesthetic preference and a socially regressive (sexist, racist, whatever) sort of judgment. Also to be clear, yes, I'm totally taking Carrie's side. I think you've been really defensive and dismissive of her honest attempts to understand. I know you guys have a friendship and can deal with each other. I'm just sayin'. Yer bein' an ass.
Aesthetic preferences, or personality preferences, usually aren't something we really think much about. They just ARE. And they vary a lot from person to person. They don't usually imply some biased, judgmental thing. But let's use the ethnicity example to illustrate a difference. I, for one, do not tend to find Asian people to be attractive. I do tend to find African people to be attractive. These preferences are based purely on aesthetics. Prefer the skin tone, facial features, and body shapes of Africans. I don't know why. Lots of other people have different preferences in this regard. It just is. However, if I said that I do not tend to find Asian people attractive because they are often sexist and racist, and that I do find African people to be attractive because they tend to be very sexually driven . . . I think it would be fair to accuse me of holding on to racist cultural stereotypes. Those are judgments about people, based on beliefs held about them, not on some gut reaction to the shape of an ass. To say that women are less attractive because they've had a lot of partners is a judgment, based on beliefs held about what "those kinds of girls" are like. You might not stop and think about it that way, just like a racist might not stop and THINK about why they don't date Asian people. But it's a bigoted sort of judgment underlying the preference nonetheless. This case is even more clear with race, because it's obviously NOT aesthetic, and there's no associated 'type'. You can't tell how many partners a woman has had until you ask (you might THINK you can, but that would also be based on unfair cultural stereotypes). Unlike racial preferences, which vary widely (ie. as many people prefer Asians as prefer Africans), the vast majority of guys, if they have a preference in this area, will prefer a girl who has had fewer partners. Not more. When that's not true, it's usually, "cuz she's more likely to fuck me :smirk: ". Women feel the weight of a culture that says we're worth less if we like sex, want sex, have sex. Except as fucktoys, of course. And people who say they won't date us if they know we've had >(some arbitrary number) of partners reinforce that. Because, what else could it be based on? Which was Carrie's question. If it's not based on sexist bullshit, then what IS that preference based on? We can't imagine what it might be. Yes she can. And yes you can.
She had her mind made up the minute she said I was gross. And yes,I believe that was aimed at me though indirectly. And I'm totally fine with that as I said before. There are plenty of women who don't think it's gross I have preference for girls with a lower number of previous partners. As far as the double-standard: Let's be clear here. We're talking straight women's vs. gay men. And alot of generalizations are being made...but based on my sexual history, they're mostly true. Firstly, there are stark differences between gay men and straight women's sexual behaviors in general. Even Carrie in conversations with me has pointed out how promiscuous gay men can be. And in my situation, we're disusing straight women vs. gay men.. I couldn't give two flying shits about a straight man. So....If you can find me gay men who has slept with 20 or fewer other men, well--I'd definitely prefer him. I can vouch from experience it's easier to win the lottery.But that's not an option usually. Almost never, actually. VoicesCarry has been with only one guy, but he's young, and not the norm. Check out the "how many folks have you slept with thread". The numbers are just far far higher with gay men. It's not even something I can entertain. I wish I lived in a world where gay or bisexual men had numbers any where close to that of straight women (in my case it's straight women I'd be dating ), but that's not even an option. At all. It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.
For that reason... AND THAT REASON ALONE, I can be more selective with women. And I'm not apologetic about it. It's easier would be easier to find a man who gave birth a baby from his own womb than find a gay man with numbers approaching anywhere close to women's numbers IN GENERAL . Now... How is this in any way reflective of my views towards women in a condescending manner? It's more damning towards men. But nevermind--I guess you women have decided I think you're all whores. I guess I have to keep repeating myself, but I completely support a woman's right to have all the same sexual behaviors a man would have as far as how many partners and her attitudes towards sex. I have no issue what that whatsoever. But I'm just glad there are numbers of women out there who haven't slept around very much. I don't have that same luxery with gay men. I simply don't. It's not something I even bother considering in a gay man. I just assume he's at least where I am. I'm not sexist. I'm pragmatic, and goddamned cocky. But not sexist. [Edited 12/14/08 0:44am] | |
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Well, ok back one more time, then I'm really really out
But let's just say you were having lunch with a gay man/bi-man and a straight man. Let's also say you were sexually attracted to both. And you find out that the straight man had slept with 150 women. And the gay man had slept with 150 men. From my experience people are not nearly as shocked to hear the gay man slept with 150+ people. But alot may find the straight man to be a bit promiscuous or a flat out pig...or just not that damned picky
Nobody would ever say the gay man wasn't picky or a pig. double standard. But this is no indication of homophobia, and I don't think gay men take it that way. We just know that there's a difference in sexual behavior. There's no judgement in my mind that's actively being passed t the gay man. OK, that's all. I'm done. Thread jacked to shit.  | |
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i'm really quite conservative on sex, but i don't mind letting you make mee feel good. THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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Imago said: tackam said: Let me say first that I don't give a flying fuck who you, personally, do or do not, wish to sleep with. But. . . I do think there's a difference between an aesthetic preference and a socially regressive (sexist, racist, whatever) sort of judgment. Also to be clear, yes, I'm totally taking Carrie's side. I think you've been really defensive and dismissive of her honest attempts to understand. I know you guys have a friendship and can deal with each other. I'm just sayin'. Yer bein' an ass.
Aesthetic preferences, or personality preferences, usually aren't something we really think much about. They just ARE. And they vary a lot from person to person. They don't usually imply some biased, judgmental thing. But let's use the ethnicity example to illustrate a difference. I, for one, do not tend to find Asian people to be attractive. I do tend to find African people to be attractive. These preferences are based purely on aesthetics. Prefer the skin tone, facial features, and body shapes of Africans. I don't know why. Lots of other people have different preferences in this regard. It just is. However, if I said that I do not tend to find Asian people attractive because they are often sexist and racist, and that I do find African people to be attractive because they tend to be very sexually driven . . . I think it would be fair to accuse me of holding on to racist cultural stereotypes. Those are judgments about people, based on beliefs held about them, not on some gut reaction to the shape of an ass. To say that women are less attractive because they've had a lot of partners is a judgment, based on beliefs held about what "those kinds of girls" are like. You might not stop and think about it that way, just like a racist might not stop and THINK about why they don't date Asian people. But it's a bigoted sort of judgment underlying the preference nonetheless. This case is even more clear with race, because it's obviously NOT aesthetic, and there's no associated 'type'. You can't tell how many partners a woman has had until you ask (you might THINK you can, but that would also be based on unfair cultural stereotypes). Unlike racial preferences, which vary widely (ie. as many people prefer Asians as prefer Africans), the vast majority of guys, if they have a preference in this area, will prefer a girl who has had fewer partners. Not more. When that's not true, it's usually, "cuz she's more likely to fuck me :smirk: ". Women feel the weight of a culture that says we're worth less if we like sex, want sex, have sex. Except as fucktoys, of course. And people who say they won't date us if they know we've had >(some arbitrary number) of partners reinforce that. Because, what else could it be based on? Which was Carrie's question. If it's not based on sexist bullshit, then what IS that preference based on? We can't imagine what it might be. Yes she can. And yes you can.
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tackam said: Imago said: Because men and women are different. Duh.
I mean, if a man is emotional or cries alot, most girls I know would get pretty tired of him quickly. is it fair? Hell I don't know. It's just the way it is. I doubt these women are anti-male because of it. It's just sexual preferences. I'm not the one painting labels here or upset at them . It's sex. I DO think that's anti-male, and I don't think that's a "sexual preference", I think that's a stupid, regressive judgment. I think guys have every right to be upset about that double-standard as well. That their proper behavior, according to gender stereotypes held in our culture, is to be un-emotional. . . WTF? That is a fucking horrible expectation for a full-fledged human being to live with. Double-standards are almost always based on something that is damaging to one of the groups of people involved. Agreed! A straight male coworker (that I've had a fleeting, meaningless crush on) was talking about the show Extreme Makeover, Home Edition and I told him how I cry every time I watch that. He said he did too. And he records the show all the time now, but has to picmk the right time to watch it cause he knows he's gonna cry every time. I don't think he'd go sharing that info with his buddies, but I thought it was downright adorable.  |
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Imago said: tackam said: Let me say first that I don't give a flying fuck who you, personally, do or do not, wish to sleep with. But. . . I do think there's a difference between an aesthetic preference and a socially regressive (sexist, racist, whatever) sort of judgment. Also to be clear, yes, I'm totally taking Carrie's side. I think you've been really defensive and dismissive of her honest attempts to understand. I know you guys have a friendship and can deal with each other. I'm just sayin'. Yer bein' an ass.
Aesthetic preferences, or personality preferences, usually aren't something we really think much about. They just ARE. And they vary a lot from person to person. They don't usually imply some biased, judgmental thing. But let's use the ethnicity example to illustrate a difference. I, for one, do not tend to find Asian people to be attractive. I do tend to find African people to be attractive. These preferences are based purely on aesthetics. Prefer the skin tone, facial features, and body shapes of Africans. I don't know why. Lots of other people have different preferences in this regard. It just is. However, if I said that I do not tend to find Asian people attractive because they are often sexist and racist, and that I do find African people to be attractive because they tend to be very sexually driven . . . I think it would be fair to accuse me of holding on to racist cultural stereotypes. Those are judgments about people, based on beliefs held about them, not on some gut reaction to the shape of an ass. To say that women are less attractive because they've had a lot of partners is a judgment, based on beliefs held about what "those kinds of girls" are like. You might not stop and think about it that way, just like a racist might not stop and THINK about why they don't date Asian people. But it's a bigoted sort of judgment underlying the preference nonetheless. This case is even more clear with race, because it's obviously NOT aesthetic, and there's no associated 'type'. You can't tell how many partners a woman has had until you ask (you might THINK you can, but that would also be based on unfair cultural stereotypes). Unlike racial preferences, which vary widely (ie. as many people prefer Asians as prefer Africans), the vast majority of guys, if they have a preference in this area, will prefer a girl who has had fewer partners. Not more. When that's not true, it's usually, "cuz she's more likely to fuck me :smirk: ". Women feel the weight of a culture that says we're worth less if we like sex, want sex, have sex. Except as fucktoys, of course. And people who say they won't date us if they know we've had >(some arbitrary number) of partners reinforce that. Because, what else could it be based on? Which was Carrie's question. If it's not based on sexist bullshit, then what IS that preference based on? We can't imagine what it might be. Yes she can. And yes you can.
She had her mind made up the minute she said I was gross. And yes,I believe that was aimed at me though indirectly. And I'm totally fine with that as I said before. There are plenty of women who don't think it's gross I have preference for girls with a lower number of previous partners. As far as the double-standard: Let's be clear here. We're talking straight women's vs. gay men. And alot of generalizations are being made...but based on my sexual history, they're mostly true. Firstly, there are stark differences between gay men and straight women's sexual behaviors in general. Even Carrie in conversations with me has pointed out how promiscuous gay men can be. And in my situation, we're disusing straight women vs. gay men.. I couldn't give two flying shits about a straight man. So....If you can find me gay men who has slept with 20 or fewer other men, well--I'd definitely prefer him. I can vouch from experience it's easier to win the lottery.But that's not an option usually. Almost never, actually. VoicesCarry has been with only one guy, but he's young, and not the norm. Check out the "how many folks have you slept with thread". The numbers are just far far higher with gay men. It's not even something I can entertain. I wish I lived in a world where gay or bisexual men had numbers any where close to that of straight women (in my case it's straight women I'd be dating ), but that's not even an option. At all. It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.
For that reason... AND THAT REASON ALONE, I can be more selective with women. And I'm not apologetic about it. It's easier would be easier to find a man who gave birth a baby from his own womb than find a gay man with numbers approaching anywhere close to women's numbers IN GENERAL . Now... How is this in any way reflective of my views towards women in a condescending manner? It's more damning towards men. But nevermind--I guess you women have decided I think you're all whores. I guess I have to keep repeating myself, but I completely support a woman's right to have all the same sexual behaviors a man would have as far as how many partners and her attitudes towards sex. I have no issue what that whatsoever. But I'm just glad there are numbers of women out there who haven't slept around very much. I don't have that same luxery with gay men. I simply don't. It's not something I even bother considering in a gay man. I just assume he's at least where I am. I'm not sexist. I'm pragmatic, and goddamned cocky. But not sexist. [Edited 12/14/08 0:44am] You're proving your double standard even further with this illustration. Your general idea is that all gay men sleep with lots of other men. They do this because they can. You know what? Women can too. I think we've even talked about this before. Pretty much any gay man can go out any night of the week and find sex. So can women. And we don't have to lower our standards to do it. You know this. So you're allowing gay men a pass, but not women. This means you're holding to the double standard. Which is all this conversation is about. |
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CarrieMpls said: Imago said: Yes she can. And yes you can.
She had her mind made up the minute she said I was gross. And yes,I believe that was aimed at me though indirectly. And I'm totally fine with that as I said before. There are plenty of women who don't think it's gross I have preference for girls with a lower number of previous partners. As far as the double-standard: Let's be clear here. We're talking straight women's vs. gay men. And alot of generalizations are being made...but based on my sexual history, they're mostly true. Firstly, there are stark differences between gay men and straight women's sexual behaviors in general. Even Carrie in conversations with me has pointed out how promiscuous gay men can be. And in my situation, we're disusing straight women vs. gay men.. I couldn't give two flying shits about a straight man. So....If you can find me gay men who has slept with 20 or fewer other men, well--I'd definitely prefer him. I can vouch from experience it's easier to win the lottery.But that's not an option usually. Almost never, actually. VoicesCarry has been with only one guy, but he's young, and not the norm. Check out the "how many folks have you slept with thread". The numbers are just far far higher with gay men. It's not even something I can entertain. I wish I lived in a world where gay or bisexual men had numbers any where close to that of straight women (in my case it's straight women I'd be dating ), but that's not even an option. At all. It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.
For that reason... AND THAT REASON ALONE, I can be more selective with women. And I'm not apologetic about it. It's easier would be easier to find a man who gave birth a baby from his own womb than find a gay man with numbers approaching anywhere close to women's numbers IN GENERAL . Now... How is this in any way reflective of my views towards women in a condescending manner? It's more damning towards men. But nevermind--I guess you women have decided I think you're all whores. I guess I have to keep repeating myself, but I completely support a woman's right to have all the same sexual behaviors a man would have as far as how many partners and her attitudes towards sex. I have no issue what that whatsoever. But I'm just glad there are numbers of women out there who haven't slept around very much. I don't have that same luxery with gay men. I simply don't. It's not something I even bother considering in a gay man. I just assume he's at least where I am. I'm not sexist. I'm pragmatic, and goddamned cocky. But not sexist. [Edited 12/14/08 0:44am] You're proving your double standard even further with this illustration. Your general idea is that all gay men sleep with lots of other men. They do this because they can. You know what? Women can too. I think we've even talked about this before. Pretty much any gay man can go out any night of the week and find sex. So can women. And we don't have to lower our standards to do it. You know this. So you're allowing gay men a pass, but not women. This means you're holding to the double standard. Which is all this conversation is about. I couldn't help opening this thread again.
So what was your stance on Supa's thread about why a guy should buy a woman a wedding ring? Why not vice versa? Tradition? Most girls have double-standards too. Whether they're wrong or not--is not a conversation I'll bother to engage in sphere of sex. The object is not for me to change society through my sexual practices--it's to get laid. And to get laid while indulging some of my preferences if I should be so lucky...and as I've stated, there's plenty of fish in the sea. I'm am allowing gay men a pass. I never said I wasn't. I never said there was no double standard. Again, you're not listening nor reading what I'm saying. Or at least not remembering. I never said there wasn't a double standard. You're argument is based sole on that. I'm not argumeing about that. But when you try and paint a bursh that says I called you whore... that's not coming from me --that says more about your insecurities. Do you think your own friend would think that about you? For the empteenth billion time, I support a woman's decision to do whatever she wants just like gay men. I just prefer the ones who choose not too. I don't have that luxury with gay men. Double standard, yes. But ant-female? I mean, your original critique boiled down to me having no feminist street cred because of that. here's where I actually disagree (like I said, I agree there's a double standard). We disagree that it translates to an overall anti-female stance. Just like I think giving a woman a wedding ring is a sign of courtship and that you care enough to show her you love her that much doesn't mean I'm anti-women. I just prefer that the man make some effort. At this point, I'll take the mantle of sexist pig though.
I really will. It's easier to go on about my day than to try to explain myself like this. Seems to work for Supa, so I'll just go about that route. At this point, and I was weak before but I mean it here. If yall want to respond you might as well do it in orgnotes. But I'm not going to reply to anymore double-standard are wrong arguments. That ship has sailed. | |
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We went over this in orgnotes. I don't think you're calling ME a whore. It's not to do with me, but women in general.
And, as tackam pointed out, it's all about where the preference comes from. If you can explain what is preferable about a woman who has had fewer partners without the "whore" aspect becoming part of it, maybe I can understand. You've failed to do that. You haven't even addressed it, though I've asked you numerous times now. We're at a stand still. |
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Haven't woman been held to this double standard by men since the beginning of time? I think I may have met one man who honestly was ok with woman racking up numbers while they themselves are working the double digits. ( At least Dan admits it!) | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: Haven't woman been held to this double standard by men since the beginning of time? I think I may have met one man who honestly was ok with woman racking up numbers while they themselves are working the double digits. ( At least Dan admits it!)
Sure they have. But it doesn't make it right. Admitted or not, it's still wrong in my eyes. |
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I think men that are intimidated about the numbers a girl has been with are worried they might not rank well | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: Haven't woman been held to this double standard by men since the beginning of time? I think I may have met one man who honestly was ok with woman racking up numbers while they themselves are working the double digits. ( At least Dan admits it!)
I prefer not knowing the number of men she has been with, if only not the whole town know about it.... When she's with me, she is with me and that is what counts for me! | |
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As to topic, no I have not and I also think that goes to male and female differences. I think males are more ingrained to get it whenever. Ive said no a whole lot ( like most woman I am certain)
I had a man go off on me saying we hold all the power....  | |
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