MuthaFunka said:

I have too. I ran over a couple in my cars over the past three decades (accidently of course).

dseann said:

Exactly. Vick? Not so "accidentally" .

MuthaFunka said:

Yeah, so he'll do his time then come back to the NFL where he belongs. The media's still pissed he got a bigger deal than Peyton Manning and are doing cartwheels over this shit.

dseann said:

God I can't believe how heartless people can be. How can you not understand how terrible dog fighting is or understand what he did was disgusting? People have to see the footage and pictues of the dogs completely tortured and destroyed to get it through their thick brains.

[Please link to disturbing images... not everyone needs to see them. - June7]

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Arnotts said:

Do you feel the same way about hunting for sport?
[Edited 11/25/08 11:55am]

MuthaFunka said:

True.

I wasn't impressed with JaMarcus in college so I wasn't really expecting much out of him in the pros. Hopefully he'll surprise me. I see him as a Kerry Collins type which is okay in the right situation.

The San Quentin Bitches

Graycap23 said:

Ohhh sounds like it's on

MuthaFunka said:

They're just deer. Get over yourself.

NoChances said:

And no matter how many times you try, the end result is - McCain STILL lost.

MuthaFunka said:

Yes. The only thing I'm not against is killing for food. And only then if the animals have a good life and are killed humanely which is why I don't eat meat. Because in most cases, they don't.
[Edited 11/25/08 18:32pm]

Arnotts said:

Ok, I can dig that. I just hate when people are hypocritical on this issue - Hunting for sport = Dogfighting for sport. Same damn thing.

MuthaFunka said:

Thanks for the opinion. Duly noted.

Arnotts said:

I didn't say I didn't find dog fighting disgusting. In fact I cussed a good friend of mine out for taking my pit-bull to a fighting pit when I was out boating with my father. Read my follow up posts and you will see that I said after he has paid his debts he should return to the NFL where he belongs. And I will stand by my comment that he did not kill anyone. Some people have more regards for dogs than humans.

i got my dog one of these

dseann said:

Of course I have more regard for injured dogs than for safe humans. Who wouldn't? If two humans were made to fight to the death I'd be upset about that too. Why should I care more about a safe Michael Vick than the dogs he tortured?

Arnotts said:

just to calm my sensibilities....are you this vociferous about human murder rates across the country, or are you just an animal advocate? I'm asking because as much as I respect your strong stance for a breed of dog that many on this site, as well as society as a whole, would love to have eradicated...I have to wonder if you care as much about HUMANS who are dying in the streets of cities across the U.S.....

Arnotts said:

Fuck it. Whatever man. You sound like a very disturbed human being. The conversation you jumped into blindly was about a comparison to Vick and Ray Lewis. Not about Vicks safety/rights/freedom in relation to tortured dogs.

If I was Michael Vick and I had my choice of going to the Lions or USFL, I pick USFL. Check out the site if you haven't www.newusfl.com

kpowers said:

Michael has money woes right now so his best option is the NFL. The last point made for the USFL "OT rules same as college", I hate the college OT format. I say flip a coin, put your best side on the field and win the game. Get it over with.

dseann said:

Well you don't know how much money USFL would offer Vick at this point. Most people seem to like the college OT rule. I don't know how many times I have heard people complaining about how unfair NFL OT is (first team gets the ball usually wins)..

reneGade20 said:

It depends how they die. If they are murdered and tortured then yes. If it's natural or unrelated to another person causing it then no. I can't stand that people are causing these deaths. If a dog got into a fight with another dog by itself naturally and they fought to the death I'd be sad but it wouldn't be as tragic as when people are forcing them into it. And it also depends on the humans history in the world, whether they were a good person/bad person. The thing that make it so much sadder with animals is they're so completely innocent in all this mess. There's not much harm they do to anyone else on this planet.
[Edited 11/30/08 5:15am]

dseann said:

all you did was cuss your friend???

you got big balls my friend, seriously....

Arnotts said:

My point is that people will loudly advocate actions and penalties for people who abuse/torture animals (and rightly so)...but when it comes to rampant street crime, nary a peep...no protests...no demands for the legal system to do its job....silence on epic levels...and the perception I get is that people give ten shits more about animals than they do their fellow human...

eraclito said:

I believe in giving second and even third chances to someone to get their shit together. It was a first offense and has never happened again.
I got angry at Vick when he was arrested and the facts of the matter came out. I was appalled when I read that he even participated in the drowning of his animals when they lost fights. But dog fighting, like NASCAR is a tradition in the south and millions of southerners don't think it should be a crime. Not that it is not a crime, but Vick wasn't brought up to believe that he was doing anything wrong. He might have known that Americans without southern accents think the practice is wrong, but not them. He was made painfully aware of his wrongs and after paying his debt to society, should return to the NFL.

eraclito said:

Yeah. You shoulda beat HIM to a pulp.

whodknee said:

I believe in giving second and even third chances to someone to get their shit together. It was a first offense and has never happened again.