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PrintableDiamondGlove said: meow85 said: If someone doesn't want to get called out for being an asshole, then they shouldn't be an asshole. It's a simple formula, really. Astonishing isn't it, that that concept seems to evade some folks. Wow. If you're that much in support of it, I hope your husband becomes a woman. your unfortunate  [Edited 11/21/08 7:57am] | |
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DiamondGlove said: meow85 said: If someone doesn't want to get called out for being an asshole, then they shouldn't be an asshole. It's a simple formula, really. Astonishing isn't it, that that concept seems to evade some folks. Wow. If you're that much in support of it, I hope your husband becomes a woman. Can I fuck you in the mouth?  | |
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Cloudbuster said: DiamondGlove said: Wow. If you're that much in support of it, I hope your husband becomes a woman. Can I fuck you in the mouth?  | |
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ehuffnsd said: meow85 said: If DiamondGlove thinks transpeople are so disgusting, they can take it elsewhere. A memorial thread is no place for it. cursing and calling other people names has no place here either. thank you for ruining my thread. everyone else managed to be very tactful with handling diamondglove and than you spew hatred. i'm very disappointed in you 
[Edited 11/20/08 21:32pm] Calling someone an asshole who's acted like it is leagues away from coming onto a memorial thread to call transpeople disgusting. I'm sorry if you feel different but IMO it's pretty hard to top DG's level of disrespect. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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DiamondGlove said: meow85 said: If someone doesn't want to get called out for being an asshole, then they shouldn't be an asshole. It's a simple formula, really. Astonishing isn't it, that that concept seems to evade some folks. Wow. If you're that much in support of it, I hope your husband becomes a woman. I'm not married, but if my spouse decided they needed to change gender, I'd fully be in support of it. Not only that, I'd stay married to them. Not everyone thinks transpeople are disgusting. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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If everyone was taught from the beginning there is no black or white, no straight or gay. Be who/what you want to be, its okay as long as you are happy. Im sure none of these people on the list hurt or intentionally hurt a soul. Ignorance..... Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize u simply imagined this So u lean over and give her a kiss Here on earth, here on earth, with u it's not so bad Here on earth, here on earth eye don't feel so sad Stay right here |
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meow85 said: ehuffnsd said: cursing and calling other people names has no place here either. thank you for ruining my thread. everyone else managed to be very tactful with handling diamondglove and than you spew hatred. i'm very disappointed in you
[Edited 11/20/08 21:32pm] Calling someone an asshole who's acted like it is leagues away from coming onto a memorial thread to call transpeople disgusting. I'm sorry if you feel different but IMO it's pretty hard to top DG's level of disrespect. Look you crazy thing you. I said it was unfortunate they got killed. I never wished them death. I have as much of a right to state my opinion as do you. But for me to act like it's normal and totally acceptable for a man to become a woman or vice-versa, I haven't reached that level of crazy yet. Pardon me if I'm old-fashioned, but I always thought a man is supposed to be a man, and a woman is supposed to be a woman. I'm sick of people like you trying to make me look like the crazy one because I don't think it's right that a man wants to have a vagina. I don't hold any prejudice against any religions, races, cultures, sexual orientation etc.. but changing genders is too much. How about I turn my dog into a cat? When people say they weren't supposed to be born as a man or woman, that's bullshit. It's all in their heads and psychological. And people like you are actually shocked that people don't find this right or judge someone based on that? What if I was unhappy with my nose and decided to transplant and nice big dick on my face? Like people wouldn't say anything or think that's disguisting. But a man changing into a woman or a woman changing into a man, that's okay? What if a lot of natural dark skinned black people turned themselves completely white on purpose? Same concept. You think people wouldn't think that's right and are supposed to be open-minded about it? And don't say that's okay, just look how Michael Jackson gets criticized for that (no matter how it happened to him.) But this is even worse. This is chaning your gender. I know everything comes down to choices and all. It's not like these people were born as a men with vaginas. These people made their choices to completely change genders. Sorry, but that to me is disguisting, and I am very happy that I don't see that as okay like some people do. A man is supposed to be a man. A woman is supposed to be a woman. Love who you like, practice what religion you want etc... If you have a penis, you're a man. If you have a vagina, you're a woman. If you are a man that wants a vagina, you need help. And I really do feel bad that these people got killed. Just because I don't like something someone does, doesn't mean I want them dead. | |
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DiamondGlove said: If you have a penis, you're a man. If you have a vagina, you're a woman. If you are a man that wants a vagina, you need help.
And if you talk shit, you are an asshole! DiamondGlove shows exactly why Prince's recent supposed views are being casually disregarded by a large number of Orgers here. The narrow-mind brigade have truly infiltrated this place. Shame. _____ [Edited 11/21/08 15:37pm] | |
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If everyone was taught from the beginning there is no black or white, no straight or gay. Be who/what you want to be, its okay as long as you are happy. Im sure none of these people on the list hurt or intentionally hurt a soul. Ignorance..... so true You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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DiamondGlove said: meow85 said: Calling someone an asshole who's acted like it is leagues away from coming onto a memorial thread to call transpeople disgusting. I'm sorry if you feel different but IMO it's pretty hard to top DG's level of disrespect. Look you crazy thing you. I said it was unfortunate they got killed. I never wished them death. I have as much of a right to state my opinion as do you. But for me to act like it's normal and totally acceptable for a man to become a woman or vice-versa, I haven't reached that level of crazy yet. Pardon me if I'm old-fashioned, but I always thought a man is supposed to be a man, and a woman is supposed to be a woman. I'm sick of people like you trying to make me look like the crazy one because I don't think it's right that a man wants to have a vagina. I don't hold any prejudice against any religions, races, cultures, sexual orientation etc.. but changing genders is too much. How about I turn my dog into a cat? When people say they weren't supposed to be born as a man or woman, that's bullshit. It's all in their heads and psychological. And people like you are actually shocked that people don't find this right or judge someone based on that? What if I was unhappy with my nose and decided to transplant and nice big dick on my face? Like people wouldn't say anything or think that's disguisting. But a man changing into a woman or a woman changing into a man, that's okay? What if a lot of natural dark skinned black people turned themselves completely white on purpose? Same concept. You think people wouldn't think that's right and are supposed to be open-minded about it? And don't say that's okay, just look how Michael Jackson gets criticized for that (no matter how it happened to him.) But this is even worse. This is chaning your gender. I know everything comes down to choices and all. It's not like these people were born as a men with vaginas. These people made their choices to completely change genders. Sorry, but that to me is disguisting, and I am very happy that I don't see that as okay like some people do. A man is supposed to be a man. A woman is supposed to be a woman. Love who you like, practice what religion you want etc... If you have a penis, you're a man. If you have a vagina, you're a woman. If you are a man that wants a vagina, you need help. And I really do feel bad that these people got killed. Just because I don't like something someone does, doesn't mean I want them dead. Drag and transgenderism were the two hardest things for me to accept when i was a gayling. However the people that saved my life were, Tootie and Miss Tracie. A drag queen and a transwoman. They taught me things I never learnt about life and love and how to deal with things as a young gay boy. They inspired to be true to myself. I walk in awe of their truth and to this day admire and respect them for who they are. I've known and met many people in various stages of the transition. I will say those that are just starting on the path you can see the pain and depression and fear that they've lived with their whole lives knowing that they are living a lie. It's hard for me to explain because I'm not in their shoes, but when they discover who they really are you see the joy and the light turn on in them. I appricate your point of view and willingness to allow others to be who they are. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Haystack said: DiamondGlove said: If you have a penis, you're a man. If you have a vagina, you're a woman. If you are a man that wants a vagina, you need help.
And if you talk shit, you are an asshole! DiamondGlove shows exactly why Prince's recent supposed views are being casually disregarded by a large number of Orgers here. The narrow-mind brigade have truly infiltrated this place. Shame. _____ [Edited 11/21/08 15:37pm] What do you meen? I havent checked out m&m for months. Freedom is to trust that you're doing what you must according to your lust | |
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Haystack said: DiamondGlove said: If you have a penis, you're a man. If you have a vagina, you're a woman. If you are a man that wants a vagina, you need help.
And if you talk shit, you are an asshole! DiamondGlove shows exactly why Prince's recent supposed views are being casually disregarded by a large number of Orgers here. The narrow-mind brigade have truly infiltrated this place. Shame. Whatever world you live in that it is acceptable for a man to change sexes and vice-versa and is seen as normal, I am EXTREMELY happy that I'm not part of it. _____ [Edited 11/21/08 15:37pm] | |
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Ehuff, I am sorry your thread has taken this turn...
How disappointing it is that when a person does not understand someone else, be it a transgendered person, gay person, straight person, etc..there always has to be an extreme that goes beyond the "topic"--in this case a memorial..to "that is disgusting". What we do not understand we demonize, and try to cover it under the kindness of being sorry for someone being killed. People are abused every day with words more than anything else..so these folks who have suffered and lost their lives due to the violent actions of someone else endured more verbal violence from those who thought they were "Disgusting". Why we always need to vilify someone else when we don't comprehend their life is beyond me. By putting anyone in a category we are placing a judgement on them that we have no right to do..aside from criminal actions, and even then, we can act in a way that is still human. Do cops beat a transgendered person just out of the blue? No. They do it because they have been raised in a society of people that say " thats disgusting' and that way of thinking feeds into their home grown biases... Again, sorry this thread has taken such an ugly turn. | |
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bluesbaby said: Ehuff, I am sorry your thread has taken this turn...
How disappointing it is that when a person does not understand someone else, be it a transgendered person, gay person, straight person, etc..there always has to be an extreme that goes beyond the "topic"--in this case a memorial..to "that is disgusting". What we do not understand we demonize, and try to cover it under the kindness of being sorry for someone being killed. People are abused every day with words more than anything else..so these folks who have suffered and lost their lives due to the violent actions of someone else endured more verbal violence from those who thought they were "Disgusting". Why we always need to vilify someone else when we don't comprehend their life is beyond me. By putting anyone in a category we are placing a judgement on them that we have no right to do..aside from criminal actions, and even then, we can act in a way that is still human. Do cops beat a transgendered person just out of the blue? No. They do it because they have been raised in a society of people that say " thats disgusting' and that way of thinking feeds into their home grown biases... Again, sorry this thread has taken such an ugly turn. thank you You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I think all it takes is for someone to talk to a transgender person, to really understand. [Edited 11/22/08 11:30am] MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: I think all it takes is for someone to talk to a transgender person, to really understand.
[Edited 11/22/08 11:30am] I did. And all I understood was how it was a big mistake. This transgendered person I met can't go anywhere without people talking negatively behind "her" back where ever she goes. And to be honest they brought it all upon themselves. I don't blame people for thinking   
It wasn't like it wasn't noticeable. Everyone can tell he had a sex change. I honestly don't know any reason that can justify this operation. | |
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DiamondGlove said: MIGUELGOMEZ said: I think all it takes is for someone to talk to a transgender person, to really understand.
[Edited 11/22/08 11:30am] I did. And all I understood was how it was a big mistake. This transgendered person I met can't go anywhere without people talking negatively behind "her" back where ever she goes. And to be honest they brought it all upon themselves. I don't blame people for thinking
It wasn't like it wasn't noticeable. Everyone can tell he had a sex change. I honestly don't know any reason that can justify this operation. It has be classified as a disorder that can only be "fixed" by psychological and hormonal therapy with the option of surgery. They go through extensive therapy before having surgery and not all of them have surgery. It's better than them killing themselves over it. Handle yours and let them handle theirs. People don't choose to have difficult lives. Most of the time they have no choice Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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LiquidGold said: DiamondGlove said: I did. And all I understood was how it was a big mistake. This transgendered person I met can't go anywhere without people talking negatively behind "her" back where ever she goes. And to be honest they brought it all upon themselves. I don't blame people for thinking
It wasn't like it wasn't noticeable. Everyone can tell he had a sex change. I honestly don't know any reason that can justify this operation. It has be classified as a disorder that can only be "fixed" by psychological and hormonal therapy with the option of surgery. They go through extensive therapy before having surgery and not all of them have surgery. It's better than them killing themselves over it. Handle yours and let them handle theirs. People don't choose to have difficult lives. Most of the time they have no choice I don't buy into that stuff. They are just mentally and emotionally weak and unstable. So people will find any reason to change who they are. And many of them just want to look like a man or woman. I hold no prejudices against anybody who are born they way they are. But to do this to yourself and make that decision, I am very much against that. Just because I am not religious does not mean I don't have any morals. And I will not apologize becuase none of you like what I am saying. [Edited 11/22/08 20:01pm] | |
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I'm so sorry for the loss of these lives. I have to say that there was a point in my life where I would have thought that Diamond was right on. I was raised with a very narrow view on life.
When I read about these people that were killed I think of my kids. What if it were them? I almost can't bear the thought. All I know is that no matter what my kids do or who they are I will love them with everything I have and everything that I am. This makes me sad. I hope that Diamond never has to deal with the horror of having a loved one killed because of who they are. If each of us were just a little more understanding and compassionate towards others no matter what this world would be a much better place. | |
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DiamondGlove said: I don't buy into that stuff. They are just mentally and emotionally weak and unstable. So people will find any reason to change who they are. And many of them just want to look like a man or woman. I hold no prejudices against anybody who are born they way they are. But to do this to yourself and make that decision, I am very much against that. Just because I am not religious does not mean I don't have any morals. And I will not apologize becuase none of you like what I am saying.
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guess what - unless you are going through one yourself, you ain't got jack shit to say about it, hun.
DiamondGlove said: It's horrible that they got killed. That's never the way to go. But I think changing genders is absolutely disguisting.
And here comes the attacks in 3 2 1..... [Edited 11/20/08 14:21pm] | |
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Do you even ??? Can you even COMPREHEND say how DEPRESSED/CONFUSED U will feel if U TRULY BELIEVE that U WERE BORN 2 BE THE OPPOSITE SEX and NEVER FELT as what U were Born AS? Why would ANYONE KILL someone who just is DOING ACTING HOW THEY FEEL AS 2 BE THE RIGHT BEHAVIOR? See, PSYCHOLOGISTS are the ONES 2 HELP THEM. They are KILLED BECAUSE they DO NOT TELL THAT THEY have a PENIS. It is SO SAD. These young guys HATE THEIR BODIES and cut off their GENITLES and take HORMONE SHOTS and it is WRONG 2 KILL ANYBODY. ACCEPTANCE/ TOLERANCE and get into the PSYCHOLOGY. I feel SORRY for ANYONE who is DEPRESSED/SUICIDAL/ and feels LIFE SUCKS. Talk 2 a FRIEND and JOIN SOME GROUPS who feel the SAME WAY. | |
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this is a rememberance thread people. i don't care about your thoughts on trans issues. these people died. i would like to remain focused on that. please. if you wanna talk trans issues please start a thread and i'd be happy to ad input where i can. but for now let's focus on these people who lost their lifes to fear hate and intolerance. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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DiamondGlove said: LiquidGold said: It has be classified as a disorder that can only be "fixed" by psychological and hormonal therapy with the option of surgery. They go through extensive therapy before having surgery and not all of them have surgery. It's better than them killing themselves over it. Handle yours and let them handle theirs. People don't choose to have difficult lives. Most of the time they have no choice I don't buy into that stuff. They are just mentally and emotionally weak and unstable. So people will find any reason to change who they are. And many of them just want to look like a man or woman. I hold no prejudices against anybody who are born they way they are. But to do this to yourself and make that decision, I am very much against that. Just because I am not religious does not mean I don't have any morals. And I will not apologize becuase none of you like what I am saying. [Edited 11/22/08 20:01pm]  And I'm the one who got called out for bringing down the tone of the thread.
You clearly lack morals if you think even for a second that any of what you're saying about another human being even comes close to being okay or right. You want to spout off your ignorance on another thread, feel free. But this is not the place. [Edited 11/24/08 19:15pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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