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The lady who wants to be a man. MMMMM why didn't this lady do all this stuff when she was a lady. If she wants to be a man stop having children. |
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ZombieKitten said: meow85 said: I wouldn't be surprised if it's already happened and the public just hasn't heard about it. could buck angel still have babies?  Assuming he didn't have a hysterectomy, probably. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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kpowers said: The lady who wants to be a man. MMMMM why didn't this lady do all this stuff when she was a lady. If she wants to be a man stop having children.
Because he and his wife wanted children, and his wife can't have them herself. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Since this thread is still alive, and ive read more of the past replies now, im curious.
Do you beleive in the concept of a male and female soul? I dont, the gender is the shape of the body too me. Freedom is to trust that you're doing what you must according to your lust | |
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meow85 said: ZombieKitten said: could buck angel still have babies? Assuming he didn't have a hysterectomy, probably. I wonder if he did | |
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meow85 said: kpowers said: The lady who wants to be a man. MMMMM why didn't this lady do all this stuff when she was a lady. If she wants to be a man stop having children.
Because he and his wife wanted children, and his wife can't have them herself. Then SHE is not ready to be a man |
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kpowers said: meow85 said: Because he and his wife wanted children, and his wife can't have them herself. Then SHE is not ready to be a man once again the only that bothers me is the media attention they are going for. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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kpowers said: meow85 said: Because he and his wife wanted children, and his wife can't have them herself. Then SHE is not ready to be a man Who are you to decide whether or not HE is ready to be a man? He calls himself a man and identifies as a man. That's really all that counts. Whether or not he still has girl parts or is still capable of childbirth is irrelevent. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: kpowers said: Then SHE is not ready to be a man Who are you to decide whether or not HE is ready to be a man? He calls himself a man and identifies as a man. That's really all that counts. Whether or not he still has girl parts or is still capable of childbirth is irrelevent. First of all I'm not deciding anything am I, just giving my thoughts on the subject. I'm not an expert on the subject but I do know that prior to any sex change operation (I don't know if she has had it or not, guessing hasn't since she can still have children) that they must live a year as a man. She having children is clearly an action of a female thus is not ready to be a man. |
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kpowers said: meow85 said: Who are you to decide whether or not HE is ready to be a man? He calls himself a man and identifies as a man. That's really all that counts. Whether or not he still has girl parts or is still capable of childbirth is irrelevent. First of all I'm not deciding anything am I, just giving my thoughts on the subject. I'm not an expert on the subject but I do know that prior to any sex change operation (I don't know if she has had it or not, guessing hasn't since she can still have children) that they must live a year as a man. She having children is clearly an action of a female thus is not ready to be a man. You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: kpowers said: First of all I'm not deciding anything am I, just giving my thoughts on the subject. I'm not an expert on the subject but I do know that prior to any sex change operation (I don't know if she has had it or not, guessing hasn't since she can still have children) that they must live a year as a man. She having children is clearly an action of a female thus is not ready to be a man. You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. SHE is still a woman |
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meow85 said: kpowers said: First of all I'm not deciding anything am I, just giving my thoughts on the subject. I'm not an expert on the subject but I do know that prior to any sex change operation (I don't know if she has had it or not, guessing hasn't since she can still have children) that they must live a year as a man. She having children is clearly an action of a female thus is not ready to be a man. You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. I have some wimens clothing, but i still see myself as a man. I dont think the gender is in a fabric, its the physical apperence of the body, the soul is androgynous. Just my opinion though. Freedom is to trust that you're doing what you must according to your lust | |
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Gimmesomehorns said: meow85 said: You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. I have some wimens clothing, but i still see myself as a man. I dont think the gender is in a fabric, its the physical apperence of the body, the soul is androgynous. Just my opinion though. But in this case, I think it's safe to say that's what qualifies a transgender person as living as the opposite sex, as the "living" has to happen before any surgery can. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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kpowers said: meow85 said: You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. SHE is still a woman I thought you just said you weren't judging? 
Shit, go read a book. Maybe some academic or medical work on the subject of transsexual people, before you go showing off your ignorance. This man says he's a man, so he's a man. End of story. Who do you think you are that you can tell a complete stranger what they are or aren't? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: Gimmesomehorns said: I have some wimens clothing, but i still see myself as a man. I dont think the gender is in a fabric, its the physical apperence of the body, the soul is androgynous. Just my opinion though. But in this case, I think it's safe to say that's what qualifies a transgender person as living as the opposite sex, as the "living" has to happen before any surgery can. HE still have the right to call himself a man though, but i sometimes think that the society is to fixated with gender and behaviour. Freedom is to trust that you're doing what you must according to your lust | |
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meow85 said: kpowers said: First of all I'm not deciding anything am I, just giving my thoughts on the subject. I'm not an expert on the subject but I do know that prior to any sex change operation (I don't know if she has had it or not, guessing hasn't since she can still have children) that they must live a year as a man. She having children is clearly an action of a female thus is not ready to be a man. You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. If she wants to think of herself as a man thats fine with me but that doesn't mean that I (or anyone else are FORCED to call her a man). If anything it's disrespectfull to men. |
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kpowers said: meow85 said: You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. If she wants to think of herself as a man thats fine with me but that doesn't mean that I (or anyone else are FORCED to call her a man). If anything it's disrespectfull to men. How is that disrespectful to men? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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kpowers said: meow85 said: You're making one HUGE judgement on something you clearly know little about. He is already living as a man, and has been for several years. "Living as a man" does not mean havign a penis. It means wearing men's clothes and going by a man's name. FYI, many f2m transsexual people don't get the full surgery because they can't. It's often too risky or difficult to create a penis, and there's really not a lot of reason to remove internal female organs so that's not often done either. He is having children because his wife can't. The fact that you continue to use feminine pronouns for someone who does not identify as a woman is completely and utterly disrespectful. If she wants to think of herself as a man thats fine with me but that doesn't mean that I (or anyone else are FORCED to call her a man). If anything it's disrespectfull to men. How does it affect you as a individual? Freedom is to trust that you're doing what you must according to your lust | |
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Gimmesomehorns said: kpowers said: If she wants to think of herself as a man thats fine with me but that doesn't mean that I (or anyone else are FORCED to call her a man). If anything it's disrespectfull to men. How does it affect you as a individual? It doesn't, really. But some people get off on telling others how they should be. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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There have a few times in my life that I've taken a dump upon which the level of savagery reached the point of making me feel as though I was giving birth to a human child. | |
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meow85 said: Gimmesomehorns said: How does it affect you as a individual? It doesn't, really. But some people get off on telling others how they should be. Once again I'm not telling anybody what to do or not to do. You don't like pushing my views on to you, fine, but don't push your views on to others as well. |
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kpowers said: meow85 said: It doesn't, really. But some people get off on telling others how they should be. Once again I'm not telling anybody what to do or not to do. You don't like pushing my views on to you, fine, but don't push your views on to others as well. It's not "my views", it's the reality of the situation. You're the one insisting that this man has to be called a woman because he's capable of carrying a child, and is. Here's a question for you: Is his wife a "man", because she's not physically participating in their childrens' gestation? If, after all, you say this man is a woman because he's carrying, then by the same logic his wife isn't a woman because she's not. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: kpowers said: Once again I'm not telling anybody what to do or not to do. You don't like pushing my views on to you, fine, but don't push your views on to others as well. It's not "my views", it's the reality of the situation. You're the one insisting that this man has to be called a woman because he's capable of carrying a child, and is. Here's a question for you: Is his wife a "man", because she's not physically participating in their childrens' gestation? If, after all, you say this man is a woman because he's carrying, then by the same logic his wife isn't a woman because she's not. I'm only talking about the woman who is giving birth, why are you bringing in her partner for. It's a lesbian couple thus it's 2 females. You are the one calling them males for. Your also stating that I'm "deciding" and "telling" people what to do, which you are wrong about. If she wants to call herself a man thats fine with me, but I don't have to call her a man. |
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Why the fuck is this even news?
It's like its some amazing feat or something. It's not. It's not a pregnant man expecting a baby. It's a woman living as a man having a baby. Big whoop. I suppose you can say that this brings up the topic of gender rolls and identity but that's not even what's really being discussed in the media. | |
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Gimmesomehorns said: meow85 said: But in this case, I think it's safe to say that's what qualifies a transgender person as living as the opposite sex, as the "living" has to happen before any surgery can. HE still have the right to call himself a man though, but i sometimes think that the society is to fixated with gender and behaviour. well yeah, its what lends social order and structure to an otherwise chaotic human existence. | |
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JustErin said: Why the fuck is this even news?
It's like its some amazing feat or something. It's not. It's not a pregnant man expecting a baby. It's a woman living as a man having a baby. Big whoop. I suppose you can say that this brings up the topic of gender rolls and identity but that's not even what's really being discussed in the media. exactly | |
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horatio said: Gimmesomehorns said: HE still have the right to call himself a man though, but i sometimes think that the society is to fixated with gender and behaviour. well yeah, its what lends social order and structure to an otherwise chaotic human existence. Exactly, and people dont know, but they are adhering to these rules even without realising. In some instances we need to know what and who something/someone is in order to interact with it/them. Also, I think this guy is as JustErin said, a woman living as a man having a baby, not a man giving birth. | |
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JustErin said: Why the fuck is this even news?
It's like its some amazing feat or something. It's not. It's not a pregnant man expecting a baby. It's a woman living as a man having a baby. Big whoop. I suppose you can say that this brings up the topic of gender rolls and identity but that's not even what's really being discussed in the media.  | |
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I really wish they would stop calling this person a man. | |
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Graycap23 said: I really wish they would stop calling this person a man.
Does it hurt your sensibilities?  | |
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