ehuffnsd said:

exactly.

ehuffnsd said:

you mean like provided you with a label and some guidelines for behaviour? a slot for you to slot into, is kind of what I mean

ZombieKitten said:

people are born they way they are born. not everyone who is homosexual identifies as a gay. that's where you get the downlow mentality from.

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IAintTheOne said:

exactly

Can I disagree with this bizarre situation and not be labeled a bigot? I feel this is just horribly selfish and hurtful thing for the child already born last year and the one to come, how can it be explained to them that their biological mother is also their father? The fact that he/she is making it a public spectacle will surely burden these children as they grow up, hopefully there will be money put aside for counseling.

ehuffnsd said:

I know and understand about people are born the way they are born part, I just don't have much of an insight how it is for those who feel like society has not acknowledged them and provided them the space to be who they need to be.

UncleGrandpa said:

i wonder about how and if this will affect the children. not so much from the transgendered angle, because kids deal with more traumatizing stuff from their parents all the time, but from the publicity angle. The children didn't ask fro their conception, pregnancy, and birth to be covered by the media. I wonder if this coverage will continue as they grow up. I pray that there won't be a reality show.

UncleGrandpa said:

agreed

UncleGrandpa said:

i don't think it makes you a bigot, though i do disagree with you. i see two loving parents who really want to have a family and raise children. the transgender stuff, the queer stuff, whatever...that's just the wrapper on the candy bar. if they're good, responsible, loving parents, i don't understand what else could matter.

JasmineFire said:

any children of celebrities are in the same boat with the whole world watching without their consent.

ZombieKitten said:

true, but generally celebrities and their children are more accepted by society at large than the children of a pregnant man.

On the one hand, Thomas Beattie's story is bringing awareness and acceptance of this kind of issue. On the other, once these kids reach school age, they're one google search away from constant torment.

ZombieKitten said:

True,but if you are attracted to woman/man,and now your woman/man looks like a man/woman,would'nt it be a little difficult to stay with someone you no longer are physically attracted to?

EmeraldSkies said:

i would find it difficult.

JasmineFire said:

I think the hoopla will die down by the time they are in school. Since their dad is not a household name or anything, it's not like the whole world will watch them grow up or anything a la suri or shiloh

JasmineFire said:

don't get married then!!!! that happens even when your partner stays the same sex

ZombieKitten said:

that's why i was wondering if they were going to continue to be in the public eye or not.

i mean, that family in Arkansas with 18 or 19 kids are always on TV.

EmeraldSkies said:

i think it's harder on men because men are more visual in nature in attraction. women maybe not so much.

JasmineFire said:

the clown car family!
but unless that child mentions they are one of those kids, people probably won't recognise them, and media attention or not, they are bound to be local celebrities

JasmineFire said:

it depends if the family chooses to stay in the spotlight.

i think these two choose to be in the spotlight. thomas isn't the first transgender man to have a baby. he's just the first who chose seek newscoverage for it.

ZombieKitten said:

i know that attraction can fade over time in some marriages but a change in gender would accomplish that far quicker than anything else i can think of.

like, we could probably still be close but i'm just not interested in having sex with a woman.

ZombieKitten said:

i found my place in gay culture to be who i feel i am.

UncleGrandpa said:

He is not the first,just the one with the most publicity.

http://www.malepregnancy.com/

JasmineFire said:

not all transgender people have the bottom part of the surgry

ehuffnsd said:

Well I'm a woman,and I would find it difficult.




What about this family? I think these kids were raised on TV.

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ehuffnsd said:

yeah, but the top part gets done. and then female hormones can make things smaller. and the female clothing and all the rest.

i'm just not into it sexually.

JasmineFire said:

for me the personality change and change in thinking would have far more impact than the physical

ZombieKitten said:

i don't think the personaly change or change in thinking is as major as you think it is at least it hasn't been in my friends who've i've seen in the process of changing.

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ehuffnsd said:

Me and Kate plus 8 is a guilty pleasure of mine.

I don't care about the adults so much as the children, he/she IS still technically, biologically a woman if she is giving birth. When a coroner examines the skeleton after death, they will know she gave birth, therefore she was and is a woman. All the hormone therapy and body transformation does not change her DNA, she is woman. The fact that he/she is staying half man/half woman and letting the world know about her pregnancy is just callous. I've seen enough transgender people living in San Francisco to not be shocked or surprised by them. Nor do I wish them harm or would I ever bother them or comment on their lifestyle, I'm not qualified to understand their psychosis. As it pertains to this particular situation, I feel as I do, I don't like it. All the love in the world isn't going to prevent the cruel comments and intrusions upon those children.