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Thread started 11/12/08 10:19am

sextonseven

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Should movies with smoking be rated adults only?

The American Medical Association Alliance thinks most movies with smoking in them should be rated "R" (Restricted - under 17 be accompanied by an adult).

From USA Today:

Cigar smoke wafts into children's movies
By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY

Health groups are fuming at Hollywood's continued taste for smoking.
A new study by the American Medical Association Alliance, the volunteer branch of the AMA, finds that over the past six years more than half of the movies geared toward children feature characters smoking. In more than a quarter of the movies, actors light up cigars.

And officials say the Motion Picture Association of America has failed to deliver on its vow last year to weigh smoking in the ratings process.

Among the latest study's findings:

•Since 2002, out of 617 movies rated G, PG or PG-13, 57% have featured smoking; since 2007, when the MPAA's stricter policy took effect, 49% have featured smoking.

•Out of 441 movies rated PG-13, 296, or 67%, have featured smoking of some kind. That number has dropped to 56% since last year.

Sandi Frost, president of the AMAA, says the group launched the study after noticing that most of the teen-oriented summer blockbusters, including Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk and The Dark Knight, featured cigar smoking.

"Hollywood has not responded to the call of the public to reduce the images of tobacco," she says. The MPAA "hasn't fulfilled its promise."

MPAA spokesman Seth Oster takes issue with the study. He says his organization's own four-year analysis of 3,400 films found that of the 1,938 movies that featured smoking, 75% were rated R. In addition, he notes, the MPAA has added phrases such as "glamorizes smoking" and "pervasive smoking" in its ratings. "We have incorporated smoking as a factor on par with other issues like language, violence and sexual situations," Oster says. "The motion picture industry takes very seriously the issue of smoking in films."

The AMAA and American Lung Association are pushing for any film with smoking — other than a biographical film or a movie addressing the dangers of tobacco — to get an automatic R rating, which requires anyone under 17 be accompanied by an adult.

"Hollywood has been bombarding people with smoking messages for decades," says Paul Billings, vice president of national policy and advocacy for the lung association. "But they're still allowed to send the wrong signal to kids, who are seeing their heroes smoking."

http://www.usatoday.com/l...htm?csp=34


I'm anti-smoking, but I think giving a movie an "R" rating for smoking is going a little too far. What do you think?
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Reply #1 posted 11/12/08 10:20am

HamsterHuey

sextonseven said:

I think giving a movie an "R" rating for smoking is going a little too far. What do you think?


I concur.
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Reply #2 posted 11/12/08 10:22am

HamsterHuey

There is another thread about a music clip in the music and more forum about double standards, that ties in rather nicely with this one.

http://prince.org/msg/8/288705

It's on male/female double standards, but it kind of agrees with the entire WE ARE THE US AND WE WILL PROPAGANDISE YOU! but in the meantime are the country with the biggest porn industry.
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Reply #3 posted 11/12/08 10:24am

Anxiety

by this logic, movies with scenes depicting drinking should be rated R too.

i think it creates a really gross precedent.
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Reply #4 posted 11/12/08 10:26am

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Anxiety said:

by this logic, movies with scenes depicting drinking should be rated R too.

i think it creates a really gross precedent.


Totally.
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Reply #5 posted 11/12/08 10:35am

sextonseven

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Anxiety said:

by this logic, movies with scenes depicting drinking should be rated R too.

i think it creates a really gross precedent.


I can understand that, but I believe it's been said that there are some health benefits to moderate drinking (like red wine) while any amount of cigarette smoke is harmful. That's probably why one vice is singled out and not the other.
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Reply #6 posted 11/12/08 10:43am

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no because that will only make kids want to smoke more to defy their authroity figures.
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Reply #7 posted 11/12/08 10:47am

Anxiety

sextonseven said:

Anxiety said:

by this logic, movies with scenes depicting drinking should be rated R too.

i think it creates a really gross precedent.


I can understand that, but I believe it's been said that there are some health benefits to moderate drinking (like red wine) while any amount of cigarette smoke is harmful. That's probably why one vice is singled out and not the other.


but drinking is illegal for minors. drunk driving has no health benefits.

i see your point, but it's really easy to play devil's advocate against it.
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Reply #8 posted 11/12/08 10:49am

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What if they just didn't allow the cigarette industry to buy placement in movies aimed at kids? That way, they wouldn't be able to make Lois Lane, a character who has never smoked in 70 years of comics, a smoker in the Superman movies for no reason other than money. But other than that, I'm not for restricting what creators can do in their movies.
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Reply #9 posted 11/12/08 10:59am

abierman

I'm getting sick & tired of the anti smoking-mob.....the smoking-ban in the Netherlands is in effect since July 1st, everybody is standing on the streets in front of the bars, even now in November.....this week, cigarettes went up another 50 eurocents per pack(12.5%).....this shit has got to stop! Yes, smoking should be for adults only, but the government should stop trying to make decisions for us all.

People smoke, and there will always be people who smoke.....the R-rating of movies that feature people who smoke is just plain ridiculous!
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Reply #10 posted 11/12/08 11:03am

JustErin

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No.

It's not like kids don't see people smoking outside every single day (indoor smoking is banned in all public buildings/clubs here - and should be).

Movies shouldn't be the ones teaching kids right from wrong...parents should be.
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Reply #11 posted 11/12/08 11:28am

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Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Reply #12 posted 11/12/08 11:36am

kpowers

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no
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Reply #13 posted 11/12/08 12:22pm

NDRU

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JustErin said:

No.

It's not like kids don't see people smoking outside every single day (indoor smoking is banned in all public buildings/clubs here - and should be).

Movies shouldn't be the ones teaching kids right from wrong...parents should be.


exactly. Drinking & smoking aren't something that kids don't see. Sex is (supposedly) something done in private, so it's more appropriate for an R rating, and violence is disturbing (and hopefully not something we see every day), so give that an R as well.

Drinking & smoking are like gambling & driving a car. Potentially harmful activities that adults do out in the open.
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Reply #14 posted 11/12/08 12:23pm

NDRU

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Besides, kids know full well that smoking is bad for people. My brother & sister & I were the ones who pressured my mom to quit when we were young.
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Reply #15 posted 11/12/08 12:30pm

violator

No. I abhor smoking but how is watching it on screen any more influential than the thousands of people that kids see smoking in their daily lives?

Just dumb.
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Reply #16 posted 11/12/08 12:32pm

NDRU

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One thing I'll say as an ex-smoker, however, is that movies with tons of smoking make me want to smoke, and even moreso when I was a smoker or had just quit.

I don't think it affected me as a kid, though.
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Reply #17 posted 11/12/08 12:36pm

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Reply #18 posted 11/12/08 12:47pm

violator

NDRU said:

One thing I'll say as an ex-smoker, however, is that movies with tons of smoking make me want to smoke, and even moreso when I was a smoker or had just quit.

I don't think it affected me as a kid, though.


Well that makes sense from the perspective of someone who'd already made the choice to smoke. But I don't believe that it would influence someone who chooses not to smoke, to do so. I think peer influence plays a much bigger part in that than say, Keanu Reeves.
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Reply #19 posted 11/12/08 12:55pm

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violator said:

NDRU said:

One thing I'll say as an ex-smoker, however, is that movies with tons of smoking make me want to smoke, and even moreso when I was a smoker or had just quit.

I don't think it affected me as a kid, though.


Well that makes sense from the perspective of someone who'd already made the choice to smoke. But I don't believe that it would influence someone who chooses not to smoke, to do so. I think peer influence plays a much bigger part in that than say, Keanu Reeves.


I think so too. Once you're a smoker it brings a reaction to see it, sort of like once you're a sexual being seeing sex onscreen can make you horny.

Seeing someone shoot heroin onscreen doesn't make me want to do it.

I do wonder, since I eventually took up smoking, how much the years of seeing cool people smoking influenced my decision to start. I think real life has more impact, but I doubt seeing my idols (Lennon, Cobain, Joni, Jimi, Miles) smoke had NO influence.
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Reply #20 posted 11/12/08 1:13pm

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Let me be the first to say not only "Yes" but "HELL YES!"

I laugh at any actor that says, "My character smoked in real life so I have to smoke in the movie to stay true to the character". Bullshit. TOTAL bullshit. Having a cigarette in one's mouth has no bearing on jack shit. NONE. Just be honest and admit that you are smoking in the film because the tobacco company paid you to smoke.

Ban smoking, I say. Before you freak out and start screaming, I want you to honestly answer this question:

If cigarettes did not currently exist, and a tobacco company invented them, and the government figured out all the things that cigarettes would cause (more death, sickness, health costs, litter, etc, etc, etc), do you think there is any chance that cigarettes would be approved for manufacture and sale?
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Reply #21 posted 11/12/08 1:28pm

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Movies "geared toward children" feature smoking? I have never seen a movie that was truly geared toward children that featured smoking. confuse
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Reply #22 posted 11/12/08 1:36pm

Efan

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Genesia said:

Movies "geared toward children" feature smoking? I have never seen a movie that was truly geared toward children that featured smoking. confuse


The Superman movies.
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Reply #23 posted 11/12/08 1:40pm

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NO!
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Reply #24 posted 11/12/08 1:42pm

hokie

No. We can't shield everything from our kids and they will see bad things practically everywhere you go. I think the parent should teach the child that smoking is bad for you, but that we can't always control what other people do.

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Reply #25 posted 11/12/08 1:47pm

NDRU

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hokie said:

No. We can't shield everything from our kids and they will see bad things practically everywhere you go. I think the parent should teach the child that smoking is bad for you, but that we can't always control what other people do.

shrug


True, but the Wiggles' smoking seems a bit inappropriate. I wish they'd either quit or stop smoking during their shows.
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Reply #26 posted 11/12/08 1:49pm

Genesia

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Efan said:

Genesia said:

Movies "geared toward children" feature smoking? I have never seen a movie that was truly geared toward children that featured smoking. confuse


The Superman movies.


Never saw it. shrug
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Reply #27 posted 11/12/08 1:53pm

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I started smoking when Uncle Sam told me I couldn't puff the ganja anymore...and just like "Reefer Madness" didn't push the masses to smoke weed, I doubt that the crap parading out of Hollywood now will cause a mob like rush to get new smokers....especially since smoking is held in such high disregard....
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Reply #28 posted 11/12/08 1:57pm

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Anxiety said:

sextonseven said:



I can understand that, but I believe it's been said that there are some health benefits to moderate drinking (like red wine) while any amount of cigarette smoke is harmful. That's probably why one vice is singled out and not the other.


but drinking is illegal for minors. drunk driving has no health benefits.

i see your point, but it's really easy to play devil's advocate against it.


I didn't say anything about drinking and driving, just drinking. If a movie showed people drinking then driving without any consequences then perhaps that movie should be restricted also.

I forgot for which side I'm arguing. lol
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Reply #29 posted 11/12/08 2:00pm

sextonseven

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RodeoSchro said:

I laugh at any actor that says, "My character smoked in real life so I have to smoke in the movie to stay true to the character". Bullshit. TOTAL bullshit. Having a cigarette in one's mouth has no bearing on jack shit. NONE. Just be honest and admit that you are smoking in the film because the tobacco company paid you to smoke.


That's funny because biographical films are one of the few genres that the AMAA was willing to give a pass.
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