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Reply #30 posted 11/07/08 6:46am

abierman

and not to mention the organised crime that is running your so-called non addictive, intelligent drug.....
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Reply #31 posted 11/07/08 6:47am

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falloff


i agree with you about Amsterdam mainly being associated with the red light district isn't something to be proud of tho

but i'm happy i can smoke my joint here without being perceived as some kinda thug
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Reply #32 posted 11/07/08 6:50am

Dewrede

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HamsterHuey said:

yeah, let's disagree.

Smart edit.

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Reply #33 posted 11/07/08 6:50am

abierman

Dewrede said:

falloff


i agree with you about Amsterdam mainly being associated with the red light district isn't something to be proud of tho

but i'm happy i can smoke my joint here without being perceived as some kinda thug
[Edited 11/7/08 6:48am]



sure, one is free to choose to be ignorant.....or maybe that's another effect of cannabis..... hah!
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Reply #34 posted 11/07/08 6:50am

HamsterHuey

Dewrede said:

i'm happy i can smoke my joint here without being perceived as some kinda thug



You can?
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Reply #35 posted 11/07/08 6:51am

Dewrede

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abierman said:

and not to mention the organised crime that is running your so-called non addictive, intelligent drug.....



and of course there would be less crime involved if it was to be prohibited rolleyes
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Reply #36 posted 11/07/08 6:52am

HamsterHuey

Dewrede said:

abierman said:

and not to mention the organised crime that is running your so-called non addictive, intelligent drug.....



and of course that would be far less if it was to be prohibited rolleyes


falloff

What are you, a kraker or something?
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Reply #37 posted 11/07/08 6:53am

Dewrede

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HamsterHuey said:

Dewrede said:

i'm happy i can smoke my joint here without being perceived as some kinda thug



You can?



i'd think so smile
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Reply #38 posted 11/07/08 6:54am

Dewrede

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HamsterHuey said:

Dewrede said:




and of course that would be far less if it was to be prohibited rolleyes


falloff

What are you, a kraker or something?


que ?

why ?

no , they're too left wing for my taste and they don't shower feeling ill lol
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Reply #39 posted 11/07/08 6:59am

HamsterHuey

Dewrede said:

HamsterHuey said:



falloff

What are you, a kraker or something?


que ?

why ?

no , they're too left wing for my taste and they don't shower feeling ill lol



We have problems with illegal slave trade here as well; shall we prohibit that as well, it's bound to get easier then to get cheap cleaners.
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Reply #40 posted 11/07/08 7:02am

abierman

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HamsterHuey said:



falloff

What are you, a kraker or something?


que ?

why ?

no , they're too left wing for my taste and they don't shower feeling ill lol
[Edited 11/7/08 6:56am]



dude, get your act straight.....the left-wing is all about legallizing drugs..... wacky
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Reply #41 posted 11/07/08 7:30am

Dewrede

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HamsterHuey said:

Dewrede said:



que ?

why ?

no , they're too left wing for my taste and they don't shower feeling ill lol



We have problems with illegal slave trade here as well; shall we prohibit that as well, it's bound to get easier then to get cheap cleaners.



nah
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Reply #42 posted 11/07/08 7:34am

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abierman said:

Dewrede said:



que ?

why ?

no , they're too left wing for my taste and they don't shower feeling ill lol
[Edited 11/7/08 6:56am]



dude, get your act straight.....the left-wing is all about legallizing drugs..... wacky





well duh


being pro drug legalization doesn't necessarily mean i have to vote left wing
or that i should agree with every left wing issue does it
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Reply #43 posted 11/07/08 7:52am

abierman

Dewrede said:

abierman said:




dude, get your act straight.....the left-wing is all about legallizing drugs..... wacky





well duh


being pro drug legalization doesn't necessarily mean i have to vote left wing
or that i should agree with every left wing issue does it
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well, apparently.....if you are voting right you are not exactly supporting your beloved cause, right??
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Reply #44 posted 11/16/08 11:56pm

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Wow this thread got all hateful and I missed it.

You guys should all toke up together.

Is there an Amsterdam, Michigan or did we get way off track?
Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it.
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Reply #45 posted 11/17/08 2:44am

abierman

Mars23 said:

Wow this thread got all hateful and I missed it.

You guys should all toke up together.

Is there an Amsterdam, Michigan or did we get way off track?



Dutch politics & our take on that shitty drug.....you wouldn't understand, nobody does.
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Reply #46 posted 11/17/08 2:46am

abierman

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Is there an Amsterdam, Michigan or did we get way off track?



it's Holland, Michigan.....dude!

sigh
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Reply #47 posted 11/17/08 8:13am

Mach

Mars23 said:

Wow this thread got all hateful and I missed it.

You guys should all toke up together.

Is there an Amsterdam, Michigan or did we get way off track?



lol
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Reply #48 posted 11/17/08 9:28am

Tremolina

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...developed glaucoma since Tuesday?

Medical weed is now legal to smoker and stoned

I am interested, of course, only in a clinical sense.

So you think this is a good thing?
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Reply #49 posted 11/17/08 11:09am

Slave2daGroove

Nobody's saying weed is great and everyone should do it...

Decriminalization is needed, prohibition has never worked, taxes could be made off of it like cigarettes. Remember second hand smoke kills too!

People will do whatever they want but to criminalize weed has made the criminals rich and lead to the same crime that prohibition did.
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Reply #50 posted 11/17/08 11:25am

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Tremolina said:

Mars23 said:

...developed glaucoma since Tuesday?

Medical weed is now legal to smoker and stoned

I am interested, of course, only in a clinical sense.

So you think this is a good thing?



Having watched 2 people lose their sight and suffer through years of pain, I fully support it.
Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it.
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Reply #51 posted 11/17/08 3:23pm

Tremolina

Mars23 said:

Tremolina said:


So you think this is a good thing?



Having watched 2 people lose their sight and suffer through years of pain, I fully support it.
I understand.
So you support it for medical reasons only or also for recreational use?
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Reply #52 posted 11/17/08 3:28pm

Tremolina

Slave2daGroove said:

Nobody's saying weed is great and everyone should do it...

Decriminalization is needed, prohibition has never worked, taxes could be made off of it like cigarettes. Remember second hand smoke kills too!

People will do whatever they want but to criminalize weed has made the criminals rich and lead to the same crime that prohibition did.


Suppose what will happen when they do in fact decriminalise it and marihuana related crime drops significantly. How do you think society will look then? Don't you think there are many parties involved, besides the criminals, that have an interest in the prohibition? Police for example will have less crime to fight, which may seem like a good idea for the taxpayer, but not for the police. And how about those witchhunting politicians? They will have one less "enemy" to score political points on. On the flip side, don't you think decriminalising it will lead to more users and therefore more drug use related problems?
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Reply #53 posted 11/17/08 3:54pm

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Tremolina said:

Mars23 said:




Having watched 2 people lose their sight and suffer through years of pain, I fully support it.
I understand.
So you support it for medical reasons only or also for recreational use?



I think the decriminalization of weed would be exactly what our economy needs right now and I would support it. I did alot of study in my con-law classes on "social" law and if we really wanted to apply the law equally, cigarettes would have been illegal long before pot as far as meeting the criteria for a class 1 controlled substance.
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Reply #54 posted 11/18/08 12:36am

Tremolina

Mars23 said:

Tremolina said:

I understand.
So you support it for medical reasons only or also for recreational use?



I think the decriminalization of weed would be exactly what our economy needs right now and I would support it. I did alot of study in my con-law classes on "social" law and if we really wanted to apply the law equally, cigarettes would have been illegal long before pot as far as meeting the criteria for a class 1 controlled substance.

Well, judging by the smoker withchunt that has been going on and getting worse for quite some time now, you would think that's it's not long before they criminalise cigarettes too. Morally, it's already a crime to light one up in the surroundings of others, so it's just a small step still to completely criminalise it. I wouldn't even be surprised if most people would support that.

Point: there seems to be more political will to criminalise even cigarettes than to decriminalise the "evil marihuana".
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Reply #55 posted 11/18/08 3:04am

Dave1992

All drug addicts (weed, XTC, alcohol, ...) are losers.



End of story. lol
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Reply #56 posted 11/18/08 6:46am

Slave2daGroove

Dave1992 said:

All drug addicts (weed, XTC, alcohol, ...) are losers.



End of story. lol


Don't forget; alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, amphetamine, Prozac, ibuprofen, Zoloft and the handful of other drugs they prescribe to children to calm them down.

The hypocrisy that one psychotropic drug is better than another because it's been criminalized is a joke. When EVERYONE is off of EVERYTHING then I'll listen to what you have to say. Otherwise you're a hypocrite and by the way people have been taking things to deal with life since the caveman.

Drug use is a practice that dates to prehistoric times. There is archaeological evidence of the use of psychoactive substances dating back at least 10,000 years, and historical evidence of cultural use over the past 5,000 years. While medicinal use seems to have played a very large role, it has been suggested that the urge to alter one's consciousness is as primary as the drive to satiate thirst, hunger or sexual desire. Others suggest that marketing, availability or the pressures of modern life are why humans use so many psychoactives in their daily lives. However, the long history of drug use and even children's desire for spinning, swinging, or sliding indicates that the drive to alter one's state of mind is universal.

This relationship is not limited to humans. A number of animals consume different psychoactive plants, animals, berries and even fermented fruit, becoming intoxicated, such as cats after consuming catnip. Traditional legends of sacred plants often contain references to animals that introduced humankind to their use. Biology suggests an evolutionary connection between psychoactive plants and animals, as to why these chemicals and their receptors exist within the nervous system.
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Reply #57 posted 11/18/08 6:57am

Slave2daGroove

Tremolina said:

Slave2daGroove said:

Nobody's saying weed is great and everyone should do it...

Decriminalization is needed, prohibition has never worked, taxes could be made off of it like cigarettes. Remember second hand smoke kills too!

People will do whatever they want but to criminalize weed has made the criminals rich and lead to the same crime that prohibition did.


Suppose what will happen when they do in fact decriminalise it and marihuana related crime drops significantly. How do you think society will look then? Don't you think there are many parties involved, besides the criminals, that have an interest in the prohibition? Police for example will have less crime to fight, which may seem like a good idea for the taxpayer, but not for the police. And how about those witchhunting politicians? They will have one less "enemy" to score political points on. On the flip side, don't you think decriminalising it will lead to more users and therefore more drug use related problems?


Oh yeah, there's a business behind keeping things criminalized, it's called the prison industrial complex. Where's there's a money making system, there's a politician being influenced.

Making more users because of decriminalization? Are there more drunks because prohibition ended? Are there more smokers because of James Dean or John Wayne? These questions seem obvious to me and the answer to both, no.

Parents educate their kids and not to mention what people know now compared to what they knew then. So you hope for the best but history dictates otherwise.

I look at drunk driving deaths and the lung, throat and mouth cancer rates, where's the same question of criminalization and usage there?
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Reply #58 posted 11/18/08 8:54am

Tremolina

Slave2daGroove said:

Tremolina said:



Suppose what will happen when they do in fact decriminalise it and marihuana related crime drops significantly. How do you think society will look then? Don't you think there are many parties involved, besides the criminals, that have an interest in the prohibition? Police for example will have less crime to fight, which may seem like a good idea for the taxpayer, but not for the police. And how about those witchhunting politicians? They will have one less "enemy" to score political points on. On the flip side, don't you think decriminalising it will lead to more users and therefore more drug use related problems?


Oh yeah, there's a business behind keeping things criminalized, it's called the prison industrial complex. Where's there's a money making system, there's a politician being influenced.

Making more users because of decriminalization? Are there more drunks because prohibition ended? Are there more smokers because of James Dean or John Wayne? These questions seem obvious to me and the answer to both, no.

Parents educate their kids and not to mention what people know now compared to what they knew then. So you hope for the best but history dictates otherwise.

I look at drunk driving deaths and the lung, throat and mouth cancer rates, where's the same question of criminalization and usage there?


Gotcha.

I support regulation, not decriminalisation perse, if only for the fact that criminals won't be able to make such enormous profits anymore and police can focus on some real crimes, using taxpayer's money sensibly and not throw it away on useless drug wars.

I am not so sure about the "side effects" of it tho'. You may be right that there are not more drunks because the prohibition ended, but that is a little bit too easy to conclude. You could also argue that by making it legal, it drugs become socially acceptable which makes it a lot easier to acquire, to use and to get addicted, with all the subsequent problems the latter brings. On the other hand, prohibiting won't make people stop, in fact for many it only makes it more interesting and it is more dangerous because crime gets involved. In any case, I feel government should actively inform people about the dangers and try to discourage people from taking drugs.

Your latter point is a good one. Millions die of alcohol or cigarette caused diseases, not even a fraction of marihuana, but there isn't even small talk about criminalising such devastating drugs.
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Reply #59 posted 11/18/08 8:55am

Tremolina

abierman said:

and not to mention the organised crime that is running your so-called non addictive, intelligent drug.....

do you agree or disagree that criminalsing it leads to more crime and decriminalising to less?
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