so, if she hadn't parade the head through the crowd like that, she might not be charged with homicide and be in jail, because she had evidence it was in self defense.
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LoyalAndTrue said: so, if she hadn't parade the head through the crowd like that, she might not be charged with homicide and be in jail, because she had evidence it was in self defense.
i think that's what the article is saying. interesting point.... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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reneGade20 said: I'm torn with this....on the one hand, I'm glad that she stood her ground and fought him off...the fact that he lost his head is collateral damage in my mind...
...however, on the other hand, I'm a bit amazed that folks are cheering the fact that she cut his head off and paraded it down mainstreet.... I shudder to think of the responses(as a man) if this story had been about some guy who caught his wife cheating and lopped her head off and paraded it down mainstreet... I don't know how I should feel... hold me i'm with you on this one. Even though I'm a woman and even though the guy was hurting the woman and about to commit a vicious crime, i'm glad she fought back, but to severe his head....? And for folks to be applauding this..?? If it was the opposite way around, this thread would be in disbelief and outraged, but because it was a man attempting to rape a woman, it doesn't make it right that she severe his damn head off. Yes she should have fought back, but to severe his head off is just plain old butchery. Should she had hurt him to get him off of her, yes, but kill him, no. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: reneGade20 said: I'm torn with this....on the one hand, I'm glad that she stood her ground and fought him off...the fact that he lost his head is collateral damage in my mind...
...however, on the other hand, I'm a bit amazed that folks are cheering the fact that she cut his head off and paraded it down mainstreet.... I shudder to think of the responses(as a man) if this story had been about some guy who caught his wife cheating and lopped her head off and paraded it down mainstreet... I don't know how I should feel... hold me i'm with you on this one. Even though I'm a woman and even though the guy was hurting the woman and about to commit a vicious crime, i'm glad she fought back, but to severe his head....? And for folks to be applauding this..?? If it was the opposite way around, this thread would be in disbelief and outraged, but because it was a man attempting to rape a woman, it doesn't make it right that she sever his damn head off. Yes she should have fought back, but to sever his head off is just plain old butchery. Should she had hurt him to get him off of her, yes, but kill him, no. That was my point. "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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missfee said: reneGade20 said: I'm torn with this....on the one hand, I'm glad that she stood her ground and fought him off...the fact that he lost his head is collateral damage in my mind...
...however, on the other hand, I'm a bit amazed that folks are cheering the fact that she cut his head off and paraded it down mainstreet.... I shudder to think of the responses(as a man) if this story had been about some guy who caught his wife cheating and lopped her head off and paraded it down mainstreet... I don't know how I should feel... hold me i'm with you on this one. Even though I'm a woman and even though the guy was hurting the woman and about to commit a vicious crime, i'm glad she fought back, but to severe his head....? And for folks to be applauding this..?? If it was the opposite way around, this thread would be in disbelief and outraged, but because it was a man attempting to rape a woman, it doesn't make it right that she severe his damn head off. Yes she should have fought back, but to severe his head off is just plain old butchery. Should she had hurt him to get him off of her, yes, but kill him, no. I see your point, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Have you ever been raped? I have. I say she's a fucking hero. A woman cheating on her husband is not the same thing as a man violently violating the body of a woman. Sorry. The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: I see your point, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Have you ever been raped? I have. I say she's a fucking hero. A woman cheating on her husband is not the same thing as a man violently violating the body of a woman. Sorry. I didn't say it was...I NEVER said it was the same thing...the comparison was only ever about who was parading a decapitated head down the street and being called a hero....my cousin was raped AND killed...so it would be completely disrespectful of me to even say its on the same planet as cheating... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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FunkMistress said: missfee said: i'm with you on this one. Even though I'm a woman and even though the guy was hurting the woman and about to commit a vicious crime, i'm glad she fought back, but to severe his head....? And for folks to be applauding this..?? If it was the opposite way around, this thread would be in disbelief and outraged, but because it was a man attempting to rape a woman, it doesn't make it right that she severe his damn head off. Yes she should have fought back, but to severe his head off is just plain old butchery. Should she had hurt him to get him off of her, yes, but kill him, no. I see your point, but I wholeheartedly disagree. Have you ever been raped? I have. I say she's a fucking hero. A woman cheating on her husband is not the same thing as a man violently violating the body of a woman. Sorry. Okay we see both points, can't you just agree to disagree on this? You have your view, we have our view. Thats it. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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"and if you EVER sexually harrass me again, i'll chop off your OTHER head."
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union119 said: "and if you EVER sexually harrass me again, i'll chop off your OTHER head."
Yeah, who was worse, this lady or that Lorena Bobbitt woman? I'm pretty sure he prayed for death for a hot second once he realized 'little man' had been chopped off and thrown into a field. Maybe a little extreme what she did, but it's India. They cut your hands off for stealing in some countries. [Edited 10/18/08 19:06pm] Prince Rogers Nelson
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she said the guy had been stalking her for 3 months! i think she had all she could take! and i won't judge her actions. | |
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estelle81 said: union119 said: "and if you EVER sexually harrass me again, i'll chop off your OTHER head."
Yeah, who was worse, this lady or that Lorena Bobbitt woman? I'm pretty sure he prayed for death for a hot second once he realized 'little man' had been chopped off and thrown into a field. Maybe a little extreme what she did, but it's India. They cut your hands off for stealing in some countries.[Edited 10/18/08 19:06pm] And throw acid on innocent girls, as well as commit honor killings on the regular . . . I think that this act has to be viewed in the context of India's very restrictive, oppressive, and violent attitudes and behavior where women are concerned. Who knows what other types of abuse at male hands this woman was exorcising with this overly demonstrative act? [Edited 10/18/08 19:11pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: estelle81 said: Yeah, who was worse, this lady or that Lorena Bobbitt woman? I'm pretty sure he prayed for death for a hot second once he realized 'little man' had been chopped off and thrown into a field. Maybe a little extreme what she did, but it's India. They cut your hands off for stealing in some countries.[Edited 10/18/08 19:06pm] And throw acid on innocent girls, as well as commit honor killings on the regular . . . I think that this act has to be viewed in the context of India's very restrictive, oppressive, and violent attitudes and behavior where women are concerned. Who knows what other types of abuse at male hands this woman was exorcising with this overly demonstrative act? [Edited 10/18/08 19:11pm] Many times those hits are requested by the girl's family which is what makes it even more sad. The fact that they castrate girls in some places is still absolutely ridiculous to me. Prince Rogers Nelson
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Good for her. He got what he deserved. As for all the people "appalled" at the beheading, let me just say this; We have lost our touch with reality. There are very real consequences for every action. If I walk into bar, and pick a fight with a 300-lb linebacker for the NY Jets, I am going to have my ass whooped. If I go to the Bronx Zoo and stick my hand into the Tiger enclosure, I'm gonna lose it. If I dive off the Brooklyn Bridge into the East River, I am going to die. ...and if I walk up to a woman using a sickle and try to rape her, I'm going to be decapitated. What's the problem? By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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That's awesome. Only thing I would have done differently is I wouldn't have carried his head. I woulda just kicked it around like a soccer ball. | |
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PurpleJedi said: What's the problem?
the problem is.. that's your opinion.. if you want to praise murder.. then that's your business.. she had a weapon, she could have wounded the man, not kill him.. and it's you, who's out of touch if you feel folks here should agree with you on praising murder... and she certainly is no hero [Edited 10/18/08 21:39pm] | |
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Flowers2 said: PurpleJedi said: What's the problem?
the problem is.. that's your opinion.. if you want to praise murder.. then that's your business.. she had a weapon, she could have wounded the man, not kill him.. and it's you, who's out of touch if you feel folks here should agree with you on praising murder... and she certainly is no hero Yeah...it's my "opinion" that diving into the East River would not result in death. Obviously your reality and mine are on different levels. I'd like to see YOU standing out there in a field, more precisely as a poor woman in a country where women are more objects than people, and as you're working some man comes out and attacks you...viciously so (ergo the bite marks on her). And I'm SO sure that you're going to maintain your composure and just "wound" him. Uh-huh. Yeah, OK. By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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PurpleJedi said: Flowers2 said: the problem is.. that's your opinion.. if you want to praise murder.. then that's your business.. she had a weapon, she could have wounded the man, not kill him.. and it's you, who's out of touch if you feel folks here should agree with you on praising murder... and she certainly is no hero Yeah...it's my "opinion" that diving into the East River would not result in death. Obviously your reality and mine are on different levels. I'd like to see YOU standing out there in a field, more precisely as a poor woman in a country where women are more objects than people, and as you're working some man comes out and attacks you...viciously so (ergo the bite marks on her). And I'm SO sure that you're going to maintain your composure and just "wound" him. Uh-huh. Yeah, OK. what the hell would you know whether or not I haven't been a victim already? unlike you, I don't see 2 wrongs being right.. so.. keep your opinions .. and leave others alone... | |
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babynoz said: The whole incident is so hideous that it creeps me out. I think I'd be horrified if I had to do something like that...even in self defense
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Apparently, she'd had quite enough. Guy's head was her war trophy and a message to other potential rapists/stalkers to think twice before they lose their heads (figuratively AND literally). Totally Xena, Warrior Princess AKA, AnotherLoverToo | |
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reneGade20 said: First off, does it really matter? We're talking about walking around with a severed head (which is a pretty extreme image), not what caused it to be severed...of course, there's no comparison between her reality and my example... The article said the he was stalking HER for three months....not that he was a serial rapist or attacker...again, as I said, I'm glad she fought him off and he paid the price for his actions...and as I said, whether she cut his head off or his leg or whatever isn't a matter of real importance to me because he wouldn't have lost his head if he wouldn't have put himself in that position, regardless of whatever she had handy to use as a weapon...the point that caused me some pause was her being held up like she's some kind of hero...she took care of herself...she defended herself...so kudos to her...but to me, her parading around with the severed head (besides being in shock) is her way of saying to other MEN "don't fuck with me...don't try it with me!!", not "I did this, not just for me, but for all the women of this town"... and again, this is strictly MY interpretation based on what is in the story... What's wrong with saying that? Women SHOULD be saying, "Don't fuck with me". Maybe then there might be less violence and rape against women. The guy was stalking her for several months and tried to rape her. What's she supposed to do? Politely say thanks, but no? Consider also that this occured in India, a country where women still face the risk of being killed by their families for dishonouring them by being raped. Isn't it possible -likely, even -that she herself would have been killed or punished in some way for dishonouring her family, or at the least not believed by the other villagers and shamed out of society? This still goes on in countries all over the world. Shit, even over here the onus is still on the victim to prove rape, and not the rapist to disprove it. If desperate situations do ineed call for desperate measures, then I'd say she chose the only option available. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Flowers2 said: PurpleJedi said: What's the problem?
the problem is.. that's your opinion.. if you want to praise murder.. then that's your business.. she had a weapon, she could have wounded the man, not kill him.. and it's you, who's out of touch if you feel folks here should agree with you on praising murder... and she certainly is no hero [Edited 10/18/08 21:39pm] But aren't you praising hurting a person, by saying she should have only hurt him? She beheaded the guy in self-defense. I'm not sure how or why you're equating that with murder. Murder is, by definition, premeditated. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: reneGade20 said: "don't fuck with me...don't try it with me!!", not "I did this, not just for me, but for all the women of this town"... What's wrong with saying that? Women SHOULD be saying, "Don't fuck with me". Maybe then there might be less violence and rape against women. The guy was stalking her for several months and tried to rape her. What's she supposed to do? Politely say thanks, but no? Consider also that this occured in India, a country where women still face the risk of being killed by their families for dishonouring them by being raped. Isn't it possible -likely, even -that she herself would have been killed or punished in some way for dishonouring her family, or at the least not believed by the other villagers and shamed out of society? This still goes on in countries all over the world. Shit, even over here the onus is still on the victim to prove rape, and not the rapist to disprove it. If desperate situations do ineed call for desperate measures, then I'd say she chose the only option available. There's nothing at all wrong with that....I didn't say there was...my point was that she didn't lop this dude's head off to save all of the women in this town from a serial rapist...she defended herself against a rapist who stalked her for 3 months...and again, if folks would read my original post, I said right off the bat kudos for her and his head getting cut off was collateral damage... having said that, after talking to someone very close to me who endured a sexual assault/rape, I do have to offer an apology to anyone who was offended by my choice of analogy...it was a VERY POOR analogy, even if my point was the severed head...as I said before, there is no comparison between rape and adultery and it was a poor choice of words on my part.... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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meow85 said: But aren't you praising hurting a person, by saying she should have only hurt him? She beheaded the guy in self-defense. I'm not sure how or why you're equating that with murder. Murder is, by definition, premeditated.
I don't even know where you're coming from... the woman had the sickle which means she could have wounded the guy to protect herself.. simple... | |
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Beheading does seem a little brutal because we're not used to hearing stories of self-defense involving a sickle. Over here, our news has stories of people shooting and killing someone in the act of self-defense. The only difference is the type of weapon. You never know what you'd do in that situation. Panic, then relief once it's over, I imagine.....knowing that one less attacker is off the streets. Truthfully, I think I could shoot someone in the act of self defense. looking for you in the woods tonight Switch FC SW-2874-2863-4789 (Rum&Coke) | |
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