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Best and Worst Bang for the Buck Cities

The economic storm sweeping the country has left Americans with few places to hide. But those looking to hunker down might want to head to Texas, where they can get the best value for their dollar.

That's because Austin and San Antonio lead our list of places where your money goes farthest. Residents of both enjoy affordable housing and promising prospects for job growth in coming years. Houston and Dallas also land in the top 10, at Nos. 4 and 7, respectively.

In Depth: America's Best-Value Cities

"Texas, as a whole, is one of the few economies that's performing extremely well because of the energy and technology sectors," says Andrew Gledhill, an economist at Moody's Economy.com. Plus, he added, military bases in San Antonio have continued to draw a steady steam of personnel and federal employees to the city, spurring widespread job growth.

The state's manufacturing sector has also grown in recent years, and a reputation for affordable housing continues to lure people to the South. When accounting for median household income, a house in Dallas, for example--with a median price of about $150,000--is four times more affordable than a house in Los Angeles, the worst-ranked city on our list.

A house in New York is three times less affordable than in Charlotte, N.C., and four times less than in Denver, two cities where your money goes far and where the median house costs $245,000, according to the National Association of Realtors.

Housing has remained affordable in the South and Midwest, thanks to growing populations, relatively lax building regulations and "lots and lots of land," said Daniel McCue, a research analyst at Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies.

Plus, he added, housing in cities like Houston "grew at a more controlled pace and didn't go overboard like in Phoenix or Las Vegas," which means houses won't lose much value in coming months.

Three Midwestern cities round out the top 10: Indianapolis; Columbus, Ohio; and Minneapolis. The worst-ranked cities, after Los Angeles, were Providence, R.I.; New Orleans; Philadelphia; and Cleveland.

Behind the Numbers

To ensure that our list reflected future value instead of past bargains, we began by looking at projected job growth through 2012 in the 40 largest U.S.-Census-defined metropolitan areas of the country with data from Moody's Economy.com.

Texan cities were a clear winner, with economists predicting job growth of at least 2% by 2012 in Austin, San Antonio, Dallas and Houston. By comparison, job growth in cities at the bottom of our list, including Los Angeles, Philadelphia and Cleveland, is expected to be about 0.2%.

We then calculated the ratios between each city's median house price and median household income, using 2000 U.S. Census figures, the latest available, and 2007 data from the National Association of Realtors. Next, we compared median income to Moody's cost of living index.

Final factors included the average gas price in each city on a given day in October as collected by AAA, and year-over-year inflation growth as calculated by Moody's and Forbes.com.

Top Spots

The factors that make the cities on our list valuable--affordable housing, relatively low gas prices, sluggish inflation, a job market that's more vibrant than most--are more than an indication of cheap deals. Instead, they give us a glimpse of the cities that are likely to offer value. Cities like Detroit (which didn't make it to our list) are cheap, but low-income figures and a fading job market won't do much for sustaining worth.

The cities where you'll get the least value include areas like Los Angeles, New York and Washington, D.C., where median house prices are more than $400,000 and relatively few people can afford them. Cities like Providence, R.I., and Philadelphia are suffering from large waves of out-migration as more and more residents decide to pick up and leave. As a result, local economies stagnate, and prospects for job growth seem bleak--economists predict the number of jobs in Philadelphia will grow by 0.2% by 2012 and by 0.1% in Providence.

But, economists say, no state has been as hard hit as California.

"California is being faced with a combination of a zillion things--the state's been in a prolonged recession, and at the same time, you have some of the least affordable housing in the country," says Gledhill. "We'll probably start seeing a bottom in the housing market late next year, but it'll be a while until we see a real recovery."

Los Angeles' misfortunes, however, have helped boost the economy in cities like Portland, Ore. It and Seattle have become attractive alternatives for those looking to leave California in search of affordable housing and lower costs of living.

The value of a dollar in different cities is also closely linked to local inflation rates. In Austin, for example, year-over-year inflation rates rose by 5%, while in Portland, that figure was nearly 5.7%. Local inflation rates ranged from 3.2% in St. Louis (No. 8 on the worst list) to 5.82% in Dallas (No. 7 on the best list).

But keep in mind, even cities that ranked well on our list aren't immune from the forces of today's downturn. Gledhill says economic growth in Portland, which has already begun to slow, will be compounded further by California's slowdown.

Things won't be much better in Columbus, according to Bodhi Ganguli, an economist at Moody's. So far, the city has weathered the storm better than its local counterparts. But he said, "an extremely high foreclosure rate" and bleak expectations for job growth will begin to take their toll on the city's economy.

Things may turn for those in Charlotte, which has fared relatively well so far. That's because housing prices never reached exorbitant highs, which shielded the city from a major housing bust.

But as the Charlotte-based Wachovia gets swallowed by Wells Fargo, Gledhill says, "a more measured deterioration is on its way."
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Reply #1 posted 10/14/08 2:35pm

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Why is this not about prostitution?
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Reply #2 posted 10/14/08 2:38pm

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Mars23 said:

Why is this not about prostitution?

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Reply #3 posted 10/14/08 2:56pm

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Mars23 said:

Why is this not about prostitution?


Who says it's not? For all the reasons posted above, NYC would have the most expensive streetwalkers and cities in Texas, the cheapest. Although if you want to include all prostitutes and not just the hoes out on the street, then I'd say the cities in Nevada would be the most expensive 'cos the legal hookers there raise the average price for the entire state.
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Reply #4 posted 10/14/08 2:59pm

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sextonseven said:

Mars23 said:

Why is this not about prostitution?


Who says it's not? For all the reasons posted above, NYC would have the most expensive streetwalkers and cities in Texas, the cheapest. Although if you want to include all prostitutes and not just the hoes out on the street, then I'd say the cities in Nevada would be the most expensive 'cos the legal hookers there raise the average price for the entire state.
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aint nuthin wrong with the hoes out on the street talk to the hand
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DanceWme said:

sextonseven said:



Who says it's not? For all the reasons posted above, NYC would have the most expensive streetwalkers and cities in Texas, the cheapest. Although if you want to include all prostitutes and not just the hoes out on the street, then I'd say the cities in Nevada would be the most expensive 'cos the legal hookers there raise the average price for the entire state.
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aint nuthin wrong with the hoes out on the street talk to the hand


You're just taking more of a risk with the street hoes as opposed to ones working at like The Bunny Ranch or somethin'.

Can't beat those street hoes' prices though. They are cheap.
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Reply #6 posted 10/14/08 3:06pm

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sextonseven said:

DanceWme said:


aint nuthin wrong with the hoes out on the street talk to the hand


You're just taking more of a risk with the street hoes as opposed to ones working at like The Bunny Ranch or somethin'.

Can't beat those street hoes' prices though. They are cheap.


here in Oakland you can get a pack of Camels & a blow job for less than $10 woot!
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Reply #7 posted 10/14/08 3:07pm

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sextonseven said:

DanceWme said:


aint nuthin wrong with the hoes out on the street talk to the hand


You're just taking more of a risk with the street hoes as opposed to ones working at like The Bunny Ranch or somethin'.

Can't beat those street hoes' prices though. They are cheap.

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Reply #8 posted 10/14/08 3:09pm

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NDRU said:

sextonseven said:



You're just taking more of a risk with the street hoes as opposed to ones working at like The Bunny Ranch or somethin'.

Can't beat those street hoes' prices though. They are cheap.


here in Oakland you can get a pack of Camels & a blow job for less than $10 woot!

oakland? falloff


do the hoes give u a receipt?
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Reply #9 posted 10/14/08 3:11pm

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DanceWme said:

NDRU said:



here in Oakland you can get a pack of Camels & a blow job for less than $10 woot!

oakland? falloff


do the hoes give u a receipt?


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Reply #10 posted 10/14/08 3:24pm

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NDRU said:

sextonseven said:



You're just taking more of a risk with the street hoes as opposed to ones working at like The Bunny Ranch or somethin'.

Can't beat those street hoes' prices though. They are cheap.


here in Oakland you can get a pack of Camels & a blow job for less than $10 woot!


I feel sorry for the hookers in Oakland. sad
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sextonseven said:

NDRU said:



here in Oakland you can get a pack of Camels & a blow job for less than $10 woot!


I feel sorry for the hookers in Oakland. sad


hey, I'm not that bad!
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NDRU said:

sextonseven said:



I feel sorry for the hookers in Oakland. sad


hey, I'm not that bad!

lol

If you were, the hookers wouldn't be giving you such a discount!
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Reply #13 posted 10/14/08 3:33pm

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How in the hell does a thread get jacked with the first gatdamn post??? lol
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Reply #14 posted 10/14/08 3:37pm

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SCNDLS said:

How in the hell does a thread get jacked with the first gatdamn post??? lol


Well, apparently because we'd all rather talk about cheap hookers than cities that have lots to offer...

sorry...

must be the state of the nation or sumthin'...

lol
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Reply #15 posted 10/14/08 3:45pm

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RenHoek said:

SCNDLS said:

How in the hell does a thread get jacked with the first gatdamn post??? lol


Well, apparently because we'd all rather talk about cheap hookers than cities that have lots to offer...

sorry...

must be the state of the nation or sumthin'...

lol

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Reply #16 posted 10/14/08 5:32pm

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I'd rather stick a red hot poker in my foot than move to Texas. disbelief


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Reply #17 posted 10/14/08 8:39pm

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JerseyKRS said:

I'd rather stick a red hot poker in my foot than move to Texas. disbelief

rolleyes
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Reply #18 posted 10/15/08 9:20am

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SCNDLS said:

JerseyKRS said:

I'd rather stick a red hot poker in my foot than move to Texas. disbelief

rolleyes


He doesn't like his hoes cheap.
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Reply #19 posted 10/15/08 9:24am

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SCNDLS said:

How in the hell does a thread get jacked with the first gatdamn post??? lol
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