I think this was blown out of proportion.

People, esp. Americans, are so uptight about genitalia and ready to scream abuse.

I've read that in some countries, parents masturbate their children to pacify them. IT's not really a sexual act to the parents. It's a form of quieting and calming the child.

I'm not sure what this parent had in mind -- besides being silly. I mean, I doubt she was getting sexual kicks. People do all sorts of things to babies when playing with them...and the fact that it made her son "giggle" probably tickled her. Now. that would be crossing the line for me...but I don't judge others.

I really don't think she was attempting to abuse the kid.

And as far as people commenting on kids genitalia being "big" or whatever... I don't see anything wrong with slips like that. The human body is fascinating. If there's a naked baby around ...you see stuff ...and sometimes comments come out.

I remember bathing my little nephew when I was maybe 10 or 11...and that little part dazzled me. I hadn't seen anything that size. That did not mean I wanted to molest him.

It seem people are too ready to turn folks into criminals and molesters these days.

That is something to think about Angel. My personal reaction to the thought of a Father kissing or patting the daughters genitalia is quite different, yes.

That's probably unfair prejudice on my part.

I think it's especially easy to accuse men of being perverts. I mean remember when Joe Simpson said Jessica had great breasts and they were doubles Ds and couldn't be hidden. People were ready to crucify the guy. But hey, if it's true, why can't the father take pride in it. He was taking pride in his genes at work.

I think not all acts such as these are necessarily sexual. As someone earlier said intent plays a part.

I think this young mother was just immature. She needs to respect privacy. I think a child's genitalia should be private and for that child only, with parents touching only to clean and clothe.

But when those lines are crossed by others ...I'm just saying it's not necessarily a crime.

I think this was blown out of proportion.

People, esp. Americans, are so uptight about genitalia and ready to scream abuse.

I've read that in some countries, parents masturbate their children to pacify them. IT's not really a sexual act to the parents. It's a form of quieting and calming the child.

I think this was blown out of proportion.

People, esp. Americans, are so uptight about genitalia and ready to scream abuse.

I've read that in some countries, parents masturbate their children to pacify them. IT's not really a sexual act to the parents. It's a form of quieting and calming the child.

I'm not sure what this parent had in mind -- besides being silly. I mean, I doubt she was getting sexual kicks. People do all sorts of things to babies when playing with them...and the fact that it made her son "giggle" probably tickled her. Now. that would be crossing the line for me...but I don't judge others.

I really don't think she was attempting to abuse the kid.

And as far as people commenting on kids genitalia being "big" or whatever... I don't see anything wrong with slips like that. The human body is fascinating. If there's a naked baby around ...you see stuff ...and sometimes comments come out.

I remember bathing my little nephew when I was maybe 10 or 11...and that little part dazzled me. I hadn't seen anything that size. That did not mean I wanted to molest him.

It seem people are too ready to turn folks into criminals and molesters these days.

That is something to think about Angel. My personal reaction to the thought of a Father kissing or patting the daughters genitalia is quite different, yes.

That's probably unfair prejudice on my part.

I think it's especially easy to accuse men of being perverts. I mean remember when Joe Simpson said Jessica had great breasts and they were doubles Ds and couldn't be hidden. People were ready to crucify the guy. But hey, if it's true, why can't the father take pride in it. He was taking pride in his genes at work.

I think not all acts such as these are necessarily sexual. As someone earlier said intent plays a part.

I think this young mother was just immature. She needs to respect privacy. I think a child's genitalia should be private and for that child only, with parents touching only to clean and clothe.

But when those lines are crossed by others ...I'm just saying it's not necessarily a crime.

I've read that in some countries, parents masturbate their children to pacify them. IT's not really a sexual act to the parents. It's a form of quieting and calming the child.

Hi Shorty,

I care very much about the safety of infants. The last thing I'd want is for someone to think I don't care about this baby (who likely won't be affected by this until someone tells them they were "abused")

I don't know. I know my stuff comes out rather blunt sometimes. I have very very liberal alternative views about things, particularly sexuality...and that isn't always understood by people ... likely because I'm a Scorpio who began having sex at 12.

I didn't think what this mother did was good. I thought she was immature and used bad judgment.

I just think in America people love to create "molesters" and victims. It could be one incident in a person's whole life and they are branded forever, ruined. The entire system of mainstream psychology is about creating victims and abusers -- sometimes when none exist.

What I've found -- from having a sexual relationship at 12 with an young adult man who could easily have gone to jail -- is that people are not all evil molesters. People are very very complex, with shadows of good and bad ...and we nail them to the cross for some things that are misunderstood.

Is this a crime? Is this a psychological misstep? Is this some weird form of parental detachment and immaturity?

Am I too lenient due to my own past? I don't know, Shorty.
But I"d rather see the mom get counseling and become wiser than to be in jail.
Think about it, if she sent pics to her friend, I really don't think in her mind she saw the wrong in it. The intent to molest doesn't seem like it was there...just poor regrettable judgment.

Are we willing to help and understand her or just crucify her?

Hi Shorty,

I care very much about the safety of infants. The last thing I'd want is for someone to think I don't care about this baby (who likely won't be affected by this until someone tells them they were "abused")

I don't know. I know my stuff comes out rather blunt sometimes. I have very very liberal alternative views about things, particularly sexuality...and that isn't always understood by people ... likely because I'm a Scorpio who began having sex at 12.

I didn't think what this mother did was good. I thought she was immature and used bad judgment.

I just think in America people love to create "molesters" and victims. It could be one incident in a person's whole life and they are branded forever, ruined. The entire system of mainstream psychology is about creating victims and abusers -- sometimes when none exist.

What I've found -- from having a sexual relationship at 12 with an young adult man who could easily have gone to jail -- is that people are not all evil molesters. People are very very complex, with shadows of good and bad ...and we nail them to the cross for some things that are misunderstood.

Is this a crime? Is this a psychological misstep? Is this some weird form of parental detachment and immaturity?

Am I too lenient due to my own past? I don't know, Shorty.
But I"d rather see the mom get counseling and become wiser than to be in jail.
Think about it, if she sent pics to her friend, I really don't think in her mind she saw the wrong in it. The intent to molest doesn't seem like it was there...just poor regrettable judgment.

Are we willing to help and understand her or just crucify her?
[Edited 10/6/08 15:37pm]