Stymie said:

And you so deserve to be loved.

meow85 said:

oh, eating can absolutely be a positively spiritual experience. And I'm an atheist.

Genesia said:

At first when I read this I was like, wtf??

But then, I thought a bit more about it and even I have to agree that it's absolutely more then just physical. That I wouldn't compare it to eating or breathing.

However, for me it has nothing to do with spirituality or even love...but there is a lot to be said about chemistry. I've also experienced both being in love with a person and also actually not really liking a person all that much...and really, there is no difference between the two...one is not better than the other.

But the one thing that made the sex mind-blowing - no matter who I was with - was that there was incredible physical chemistry and really when it comes to that kinda thing, isn't it mostly all in the brain?

JustErin said:

You say "chemistry," I say "spiritual connection." To me, that's just a to-may-to, to-mah-to thing.

But how can physical chemistry be in the brain? Physical (to me) is about body parts. Emotional/spiritual/chemical is a brain thing.

Genesia said:

Well, I see it as the body physically responding to the brain responding to chemistry. If it was just a body response thing, anyone would be able to just turn you on...and that's definitely not the case for me. Some people can just drive me nuts, and (again for me) that has nothing to do with spirituality or even an emotional attachment.

meow85 said:

not so sure, as childbirth, STD's, HPV can be quite dangerous. I'd say drinking water is much healthier



have you ever walked down stairs after sex and your legs shake? I think that's what these athletes are thinking. If nothing else, sex is exercise. That's fine & healthy, but you wouldn't want to play three sets of tennis on the same day you have a swimming meet, would you? You might be worn out.

As a man I also think sex takes your mental edge away because you've "fulfilled your special purpose" at least for today So the competitive drive is lessened. I'm no scientist, but it feels as real to me as hunger, fatigue, etc.

Can't speak for women.
[Edited 9/29/08 13:33pm]

Genesia said:

So having a companion is what makes sex spiritual? On what grounds?

No, I don't think sex is purely physical. Good sex -hell, even bad sex -engages the mind as well as the body. I have had mindblowing sex, thanks. I love how you seem to think the mind and some ether we call spirituality are the same thing, and assume that since I don't see spirituality in sex that I'm simply bumpin' uglies. If all sex was was physical gratification, why ever bother with a partner at all? Your argument is full of holes.

And don't call me, honey. Oddly enough, knowing you think you have a more enlightened view of sex than I makes that endearment come off as more sour than sweet.
[Edited 9/30/08 1:27am]

Genesia said:

Emotional and chemical are not the same as spiritual.

NDRU said:

Sex always revs up my energy levels. I've never felt tired or drained after the fact. I've even felt the urge to go out running afterwards, and I am not the jogging type.

Makes me hungry too. fter sex, I pack food away like there's a famine coming.

meow85 said:

My legs always feel weak after sex and I don't have the drive to push myself has hard if I go jogging. Maybe men & women are different (you are a woman, right?)

NDRU said:

I've heard it said there are people who GET energy from sex and those who are drained of energy from sex. I don't think it necessarily runs down gender lines.

CarrieMpls said:

I have had both happen and even in the same 24 hrs

and it's not always about what time of day it is either

Mach said:

So there ya go!

CarrieMpls said:

That makes sense. I've seen the same thing with smoking pot. Some go catatonic and some act as if they've smoked crack

meow85 said:

Again, your opinion.

meow85 said:

Good Lord.

It is you who has continually and repeatedly (in this thread and others) talked about sex as merely being a physical activity - comparing it to something as base as taking a shit.

If you want to stake out a position, at least be consistent. You're talking out both sides of your face.

meow85 said:

Some people just like to be different. Some girls are giving in to parental pressures for outdated ideals. Some haven't tried it and are scared while others have had bad experiences and are trying to heal emotionally before jumping into bed again.

The religious fanatics anger me. I went to a Catholic high school and those fuckers are warped. They have priests who haven't had sex in their entire lives (heterosexual sex that is) or haven't had sex for decades who think they are qualified to counsel others on sex. They are fucking crazy. Even their bible said "God said to be fruitful and multiply" ... I don't think God was talking about math.

Give up the drawers ladies and men, please act like men and drop yours. Without the act of fucking, none of us would be here to post on the org.

Genesia said:

You seem to be confusing mental and spiritual. I never said sex was purely physical -it engages the mind just as much as, if not more, than the body. But your brain is not your soul.

Sex is base. It's part of what makes us animals.

I have a question for you. If sex is such a heightened, spiritual event for us, then is it for other species?

meow85 said:

No, it isn't.

I believe human beings are more than mere animals. We are able to control our instincts and act on the basis of reason and intellect. Animals are not.

If you have no problem thinking of yourself as nothing more than an animal, that's up to you.

meow85 said:

but humans treat sex kind of differently than animals. For us it's an event, something we dress up and celebrate and do just for fun. We do it out of instinctive drives, yes, but we also plan it and use it to be closer to one another--or on the flip side, to use & degrade one another. We don't only do it when women are in heat, or at a certain time of the year/month.

I don't argue that sex is either spiritual or base, but just that we treat it a little differently than animals because of our developed consciousness.

meow85 said:

mainly the south americans, right?

I should NEVER have married a south american
he is obviously saving up his energy for something

ZombieKitten said:

I was hoping U'd post! U'd back me up on the "Celibacy isn't a choice when it's thrust upon you" argument!

Amaxx said:

stop that

ZombieKitten said:

What I do????

NDRU said:

A lot of animals use sex as a way to bond too, and there are species besides humans that have sex merely for fun and not just procreation.

And there's been more and more evidence that humans actually do have something of a mating season. Studies on sexuality have shown that hetero women tend to actively go after or initiate sex more during times of their cycle most likely to result in pregnancy, and it's been statistically shown that more babies are born during the spring and autumn than winter or summer, suggesting something of a mating season. So our mating schedule isn't set in stone as many other species are, but we seem to have one too.

Genesia said:

Humans ARE animals. More cognitive development than other species, for sure. But we're just mammals. On what basis are you arguing we're another subset of species? That's a pretty big claim, and one that's going to need something to back it up to have any validity.

meow85 said:

I didn't say human beings were "another subset of species" - a phrase that makes absolutely no sense by the way. Human beings are a separate and distinct subspecies - Homo sapiens sapiens.

I know human beings are mammals. (Every fourth-grader knows that.) But I think we have a little more going for us than warm blood, hair and an ability to bear live young.

If you want to put yourself on the same level with a warthog or a hyena or what have you, by all means, do. I think your ability to reason is about on a par with theirs, so it isn't that far-fetched.

I will confine my dealings to people who believe they are more than the sum of their baser instincts and desires.
[Edited 10/1/08 5:21am]

Genesia said:

But on what basis are you claiming humans are different than other animals? That we're more than just instincts? Of course we are. So are several species. That we engage the higher faculties in thought? Again, that isn't exclusive to us, in spite of what we used to believe. We now know thought and deductive reasoning are traits shared among many species.

I think your reason is based on the fallacy of human uniqueness, something evolutionary scientists and especially not you have been able to prove. Cute how I'm the one with the inability to reason, yet you're the one whose consistently been unable to back up your claims, has deliberately confused two seperate things (mind and soul), accused me of an inability to understand spirituality because I am not a strict theist, and resorted to saying I'm no more intelligent than a hyena. Meanwhile I'M the one being complained about for a lack of humility...