Cinnie said:

Nope. It was inspired by Prince' celibacy comment, but I'm not talking about Prince.

meow, you're making sex sound downright boring

Cinnie said:

It's not boring. It's awesome, it's amazing, it's fun! It's a gift of nature, and that's why I don't understand some think they need to ignore or deny that gift.

meow85 said:

I think its because sex is not just defined in terms of a natural function but encompasses a whole host of other meanings, because of the consequences. i.e STd, unplanned pregnancies etc. So its not so much the act itself but what it can and does result in. Because of these consequences (imo) Virginity is viewed as being in a state of purity imo.

I think the "rite of passage" concept gets applied not only to childhood/adulthood but the various stages of relationships.

"Kiss on the first date", etc.

meow85 said:

Prince is such a Johnny-come-lately to the celibacy movement. We look at him and we're all like, "Munchkin, please. We've been indifferent to genitals since you were boring everybody stiff (no pun intended) with N.E.W.S.".

LleeLlee said:

But this concept of purity has existed for hundreds, if noth thousands of years. STD's are a relatively new development. And why should someone who's had or fathered a child be less pure than someone who hasn't?

meow85 said:

Because that gift usually comes wrapped in drama and many movie tickets to be paid for.

Ace said:

meow85 said:

Stinky diapers.

Ace said:

Ace said:

Only if you let it. Drama springs from one or both partners having unrealistic expectations about the event. One expects a relationship or deeper connection and the other doesn't, for example. That's why communication and boundaries are so important. Talk about sex FIRST before you actually do the deed. Talk about what you want and don't want, like and don't like. Talk about your expectations and where you think it'll lead or where you'd want it to lead. Make sure you're on the same page before you even so much as think about actual nookie. And never, ever have sex with someone you don't trust to follow through on their word, even if it is someone you love.

Love is a nice addition to sex, but IMO it's not necessary. Trust is, though.

meow85 said:

I just like to wear fleece.

meow85 said:

Trust is just about as easy to find as love.

Cinnie said:

I think it's easier to find.
Lots of people can be trusted. It's a rare few who will really love you though.

meow85 said:

I guess I disagree and is the reason I've had less partners than I could count on one hand... if it's one thing I can do is count on my hand (pun intended).

Cinnie said:

Cinnie said:

Fair enough.

I think trust is easier to find than love, which would explain why my number of sex partners outnumbers my relationships (one!)

meow85 said:

I think I get what you mean. I never found myself actually trusting those people though.

meow85 said:

no they're not.

perhaps HIV/AIDS is more recent than herpes, syphillis, chlamydia, and the rest but in no way are STD's a relatively new development.

JasmineFire said:

I've read that first recorded epidemic of syphilis happened during the Renaissance.

CarrieMpls said:

most diseases have been with us for far longer than we think. it's only recently that we've been able to actually classify and treat them. My feeling about it is that as long as there's been sex, there's been STDs. And not just STDs that infect humans either...horses, monkeys, dogs, and cows also get STDs.


Anyway...that's a bit of a digression.

As far as the topic is concerned, I've found that during certain times in my life celibacy has helped me think more clearly about certain relationships. It's not a way I would like to live my life forever but it has kept me from making the same stupid relationship mistakes over and over again. But that's just me.

I don't really understand religious reasons for celibacy, though.

JasmineFire said:

Word.

JasmineFire said:

oh, agreed, agreed and agreed.

CarrieMpls said:

this is also a digression but...

there is a doctor at school who reminds me of you. She's a veterinary oncologist and she has awesomely red hair and a really cool fashion sense. She was wearing the cutest outfit on Friday.

JasmineFire said:

Yay!

That's awesome.

i was celibrate for two years but i was lickin alot of vagina and did not realize that that was not allowed but,hey at least i tried.
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blacktrump said:

Poisonous sting which thumps up and act chumps
Raise a heavy generator
But yo, guess who's the black Trump?

Well, I think at this point I've said everything I needed to say about this one before, so I'm gonna walk away now.

meow85 said: