ZombieKitten said:

the pizza guy has to have seen something

Christopher said:

apart from the take out & cigarette butts, this is like my friend's place

ZombieKitten said:

Holy moley, Batman! That is just naaaaastiness right there, that is. My friend told me about a former co-worker of mine who thinks she's the queen and her kids are her servants. It's up to the kids if she has a clean apt. My friend said her room was so bad w/ the cigarette butts and even a used tampon.

Moonstar319 said:

everytime i hear that part its hilarious yet disgusting.i bet she get the albertsons brand tampons 40 for 2.99

Christopher said:

Chile, that ain't no joke! I really feel for her kids. My friend bought them mattresses and stuff cuz the mama wouldn't. It interfered w/ her Starbuck's habit. I was told she had piles of old foul smelling Starbuck's cups laying about w/ cigarette butts in them. Ewww...

Disgusting

Moonstar319 said:

ewww! nasty heffa!

Christopher said:

she is the one I help out each week

myfavorite said:

my uncle would get mad at us when we threw garbage out from his place.
there is nothing rational about hording.

emm said:

this one would feel distressed and out of control if you took away the cigarette butts I bet

i am wondering if an internet addiction played a roll in this.

emm said:

World of Warcraft

there are no children in that house!
ugh! what a fucked up thing....I wonder...it seems like the fabreeze may have been used when ironing...probably to disguise her disgusting smell! mental illness...yeah...it's called lazy!

emm said:

Well the owner certainly didn't use that eMachine.

Shorty said:

no really
like my friend, she hates the mess, and actively works with me to clear up spaces to walk through it, but she becomes very distressed if I suggest I grab a bag to pick up stray bits of paper. She tells me just to put it to the side so she can look through it later - she can't bear things unaccounted for, and worries there might be something there she needs later. The trouble is there is such an overwhelming amount of stuff, it CAN'T just be looked through later. If it was laziness she would just say sure, go for your life and let me throw it all out, but they are her "possessions", not "trash" in her eyes.

http://www.vimeo.com/603058

here is an excellent documentary if anyone is interested.

butterfli25 said:

yea isn't hoarding considered an illness?

missmad said:

watch the doco I posted (above) VERY much an illness and very misunderstood

ZombieKitten said:

will do honey.

ZombieKitten said:

I understand it's an "illness" they should get help then....they should stop making excuses. I'm sorry...I have no sympathy. Does your friend have kids? (please god tell me the answer will be no)

I think there's a difference between hoarders & this person who lives in this apartment. Hoarder's, for whatever reason, can't get rid themselves of their possesions. This person couldn't be bothered to throw away her garbage. Either she was too lazy,has mental illness, or just didn't give a f*ck.

SilverlakePhil said:

i believe she's a horder. didn't you see zombie's post where she said about her friend, "they are her "possessions", not "trash" in her eyes." the pile of empty cigarette boxes on the second sofa screams horder.

my uncle was most certainly depressed, lazy and didn't give a fuck. but he was still a horder. he never threw out anything ever. and yet i know the chaos of his life wore him down. he knew that he had to keep his income tax papers organized but the sheer amount of stuff he had overwhelmed him. and yet to disrupt his disorder was very upsetting to him. he would get very angry when we would throw 2 year old newspapers in the recycling.

emm said:

I kind of agree, but there are many hoarders who aren't slobs, and they keep all of their junk neatly organized. This person doesn't seem like she's simply hoarding, but has some other issue, too.

Actually her house doesn't look that different than John Frusciante's did during the depths of his drug addiction (aside from the painting on his walls), as seen in this film by Johnny Depp

morningsong said:

I think she/he has a mental illness. Am I the only one who feels the urge to clean up that persons house?....besides the bathroom and cat stuff.

What did she expect to do with that one bottle of 409? I mean really?

Shorty said:

She has a child, and she DOES understand a child should cannot live in an environment like this. Her bathroom is actually very clean (not like in pics above) but there is so much stuff in her one bedroom apartment, things get lost, often food, which then can't be found again.
She has reached out to me and 3 other friends who are helping her. She has case workers and support people that come and hold the baby while she tries to get control of her situation. I don't actually see where the excuses part comes in I really think you have no idea. I see desperation in my friend's eyes, desperation to be normal again.

ZombieKitten said:

so this is a new thing for her? I didn't mean she should get help cleaning...I mean she needs therapy. It seems perhaps your friend is NOT like the pictures above? I imagine if she were, those case workers would be taking that baby away from her. the excuses I'm talking about are the " I can't get rid of this or that because..." excuses. She needs to seek professional counceling...I'm glad she has friends like you who are willing to help but I wonder if you all aren't just enabling her instead. I really hope she gets the help she needs for the sake of that poor little baby and herself.

Shorty said:

I wondered that too at first
I read up on it, apparently those folks who are basically forced to just get rid of everything, usually just start all over again as soon as they can. I'm no professional, but at least I can be a friend. I haven't actually read any success stories, sadly
My friend wouldn't have opened her doors to anyone in the past, but she is now desperate for change. This person in the photos above probably doesn't want to change yet. Who knows?