Aaronforever has no free will; he/she/it has stated as much him/her/itself. Will I ever stop picking on him/her/it? Yes...eventually...but for now I need to keep this fire alive as it is perhaps the most important topic of the decade for me...far beyond PH101 or whateverthefuck, the real answers are far deeper and more interesting...

teller said:

Why is this such an important topic for you?

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*confused*

What is this about?

Discovering the seat of free will is one of my life's goals. To come across someone, such as Aaron, who claims that he has no free will and everything is determined--this is the shit I have to put a stop to--because I know intuitively that it's false, and also because I'm capable of eventually disproving it in such a fashion that even the layman can understand...

teller said:

I respect you for your determination, but have you used your free will to cause a change? In my opinion free will begets wisdom. There are so many things I see everyday and in myself that tell me "this is wrong". But what good is free will if we don't use it. Speaking on it, defining it, analyzing it is all good, but what do you do in your everyday life that lets people know you have free will?

This topic is so often cast aside as some stupid freshman-level philosophy problem, when in fact the answer is very elusive, especially on the free-will side of the argument. You have to get in there and short-circuit the short-sighted thinking of the freshman and get down to the reality of the matter, without resorting to mysticism...sophomoric positions are useless...reality is king...but do you really want to know?

eye love aaron

RaneStarr said:

Don't get him started Rane!

2the9s said:

You are a shit, 9s!



I already owe you one from before!

SweeTea said:

What people know or think is of no consequence...that the problem is solved in such a way that it has never been solved before, in such a way that sharp minds can see it and appreciate it and re-interpret it to others...this is what matters...no that I myself make an impression--ideas propogate over a long period time, and it is the truth of ideas that matter, not a trophy, or credit.

i told you this subject is a nonstarter.

i'm AaronForever and you're teller. i'm somebody. you are a gnat. so shoo fly, don't bother me.
[This message was edited Sun Nov 17 18:34:03 PST 2002 by AaronForever]

AaronForever said:

Oh for fuck's sake...you haven't introduced ANY original thinking into this equation! Yes...sleep...this is about you, not of you.

teller said:

And herein lies the problem. Most people don't want to know. They hide behind their fear with jokes and projected ignorance.

Way back in 1980 something I saw a scene from a kid movie called "Fantashia". It was about a little warrior boy trying to save the land of Fantashia from "the nothing". In order to do this he had to go through a series of test and trials, one being looking in a mirror and seeing his true self. He was warned that many others had been given this task and had ran in fright at the sight of their true selves. This scene has stuck with me over the years and I'd often wondered, if I ever looked inside and confronted with my true and pure self would I be afraid of that person? Over the years, I must say that sometimes I did not like that person so I constantly attempt to reinvent myself into someone I would like. Free will must start first by looking inside and attempting to analyze the character there and be willing and open minded enough to say "I 'm screwed up, but I'm willing to change". Once we get past this point we can allow our free will to shine in our lives through our acts and how we interact with other people.


But that's just my opinion.


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[This message was edited Mon Nov 18 3:02:17 PST 2002 by SweeTea]

teller said:

Look around you teller -- we're out of time.



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