DevotedPuppy said:

OMG was that Byron that said that?

Anyone tried to show off their prepackaged scrapbook kits to art critics to show how they can glue things handed to them to a piece of paper? you can mix and match the designs but you didn't actually do anything but glue and maybe reshape a picture. That baby picture with the leaves....did the "artist" go and find the leaves or did they come in a box with the glue? thats the difference in my opinion. No i have ever scrapbooked but from what i've seen alot of people just take the easy way and go and buy a kit then jus tlook at pages and see where things look pretty. Prepackaged selections of crap in a box that you can reaarrange to your liking without having to think too much. As others have said if you do some work for yourself instead of just selective placement and gluing, then congrats you may be creative in my opnion

horatio said:

So your argument is that furniture is art but no one knows it because it's too expensive for the masses?

You are not understanding what I'm saying.

art: not functional

design: functional, can be artistic

furniture, graphic design, fashion, products: all functional, therefore not art, but design.


I worked at a design museum for three years, I know, for instance, that Michael Graves started as an architect, but does product design. But he is not an artist. He is an architect and designer.

I fail to see why whether people buy a "cheap imitation" of an Ingo Maurer lamp or Thom Brown suit (not art, design) instead of the original design makes a difference about whether it should be considered art.

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DevotedPuppy said:

...Well, I'm far more narrowminded when it comes to "good" art and "bad" art, but I'm still pretty generous...maybe because I can see the positive in a LOT of art, and don't like seeing those positive minimized, diminished or ignored.

I taught graphic design for two years in South Central L.A., teaching it on weekends to teens in the lower socio-econimical neighborhoods. Our biggest obstacle--and biggest goal--was to convince them that what they create IS art and DOES have value...and it wasn't easy. But when they do start to believe you're being sincere in seeing their creations as art, and sincerely finding things within their efforts that are praiseworthy, it REALLY motivated them to push themselves...that alone made the teaching worthwhile.

We took several of these kids up to CalArts (where I was studying at the time) just to expose them to some institutions that are completely dedicated to helping artists improve and expand their art. However, the kids felt completely out of their element, and felt as if they somehow wouldn't fit in, and that their work wouldn't really be taken seriously. It was really sad to witness ...

horatio said:

Yes, I said that lol ...I can tell Joni's viewpoints on art and Art were not rooted in narrowmindedness or disdain, which a few too many on this thread seemed to support their views on. I don't agree AT ALL that functionality automatically negates anything from being art, quite the contrary, actually. But that aspect of the "art" debate has been argued and debated for decades and decades...

Daznym17 said:

You realize there have been gallery showings of scrapbook art, right?

Well, no, you aren't aware or else you wouldn't be saying 90% of the things you're saying.

Question for anyone/everyone: Is this art or not art?



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DevotedPuppy said:

typically anything that has been knocked off of the original design has lost its original artistic concept.
to the unappreciative it looks the same, but to the trained eye it certainly is not. And its not about the quality of the materials (although it does create a presence of it own) its about the loss in the detail of a curve or line or diameter, etc. that makes or breaks, speaks what the original concept is the artist created.

Byron said:

Art! (and not functional! )

DevotedPuppy said:

Ah, but it IS functional...you could live inside it, if you wanted. There are "stairs" within each tower. There are archways meant to accommodate someone to walk into in order to gain access to the interiors of the towers...those archways weren't merely for aethstetic purposes.

It may not be the most functional structure made, but it is indeed functional.

What do you think...art or not art? Are these multimedia art pieces or scrapbooking results?

sammij said:

Ya..


When I was living in Illannoy, one of my room mates got into scrapbooking....she got all obsessed with the kits and shit.

She became like a crazy cat lady...only instead of cats, her scrapbook ruled her world

Byron said:

And like i was saying, if it came from a kit do you think it ended up in the artshow? if its all hand done then its art and sure can be in an art show but once again this thread was more or less about the kits from what i read...from most of your replies i think you may have missed that part.

what i've always wondered is why people would want to junk up their photos by cutting them into sunburst patterns or putting stickers on them

errant said:

this doesn't look like junking up a photo to me


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i can see how frankenstein felt now..

talk about monsters n shit

veronikka said:

looks like a red x to me

errant said:

there you go!