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Reply #30 posted 09/01/08 10:10am

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veronikka said:

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I am going to have to disagree with you. Some people don't use kits, design their own patterns etc. Anything in life can be art, cooking is an art, home design is an art, knitting is an art. Anything that is creative can be an art. I am sorry but that's my opinion.



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Reply #31 posted 09/01/08 10:12am

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Well I was disagreeing with the first comment etc...no biggie...


lol, i see, usually when a point has been discussed and a conclusion reached, any points made thereafter are usually on the case in point rather than the original hypothesis.

but then one could argue that i am too pedantic, and this is just a stupid thread on scrap booking..

i'm playing its cool....


Well I was only saying what I felt...I believe I have a right to do so. I have never met anyone in GD who seems to enjoy correcting someone in what they say or how they post.
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Reply #32 posted 09/01/08 10:19am

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thanks Moni biggrin


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You are very welcome hun! hug


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I wouldn't say my scrapbooking is art but don't put it down either, it's a lot of hard work!
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Reply #33 posted 09/01/08 10:22am

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veronikka said:

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You are very welcome hun! hug


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I wouldn't say my scrapbooking is art but don't put it down either, it's a lot of hard work!



I would call it art, it takes a creative mind to make those. I envy the people who can.
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Reply #34 posted 09/01/08 10:24am

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MoniGram said:

veronikka said:



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I wouldn't say my scrapbooking is art but don't put it down either, it's a lot of hard work!



I would call it art, it takes a creative mind to make those. I envy the people who can.

i would call it art, too.
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Reply #35 posted 09/01/08 10:24am

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Reply #36 posted 09/01/08 11:05am

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Merriam-Webster's definition of art:

1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
2 a: a branch of learning: (1): one of the humanities (2)plural : liberal arts barchaic : learning, scholarship
3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill
4 a: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1): fine arts (2): one of the fine arts (3): a graphic art
5 aarchaic : a skillful plan b: the quality or state of being artful
6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter


Scrapbooking may not be considered one of the fine arts, it still takes some sort of skill to do it. Not everyone has the knack for it.

And as far as the pre-fab scrapbook kits, I think they're still art as well. I didn't paint Raphael's Sistine Madonna but I still have a print of the two cherubs hanging on my dining room wall. shrug

Now, I define the way I scrapbook as more crafty than arty but I've definitely seen other people's pages that I wouldn't mind hanging on my walls (with my pictures in them, of course).
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Reply #37 posted 09/01/08 11:13am

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thanks Moni biggrin


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hey we never said what u do, isnt art, just what everyone else does

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but I scrapbook! nod

should have made and sent you one of these to welcome your guests giggle
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Reply #38 posted 09/01/08 11:43am

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Merriam-Webster's definition of art:

1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
2 a: a branch of learning: (1): one of the humanities (2)plural : liberal arts barchaic : learning, scholarship
3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill
4 a: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1): fine arts (2): one of the fine arts (3): a graphic art
5 aarchaic : a skillful plan b: the quality or state of being artful
6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter


Scrapbooking may not be considered one of the fine arts, it still takes some sort of skill to do it. Not everyone has the knack for it.

And as far as the pre-fab scrapbook kits, I think they're still art as well. I didn't paint Raphael's Sistine Madonna but I still have a print of the two cherubs hanging on my dining room wall. shrug

Now, I define the way I scrapbook as more crafty than arty but I've definitely seen other people's pages that I wouldn't mind hanging on my walls (with my pictures in them, of course).


I would definitely hang something like this up on my walls nod

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Reply #39 posted 09/01/08 11:46am

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veronikka said:

JuliePurplehead said:

Merriam-Webster's definition of art:

1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
2 a: a branch of learning: (1): one of the humanities (2)plural : liberal arts barchaic : learning, scholarship
3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill
4 a: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1): fine arts (2): one of the fine arts (3): a graphic art
5 aarchaic : a skillful plan b: the quality or state of being artful
6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter


Scrapbooking may not be considered one of the fine arts, it still takes some sort of skill to do it. Not everyone has the knack for it.

And as far as the pre-fab scrapbook kits, I think they're still art as well. I didn't paint Raphael's Sistine Madonna but I still have a print of the two cherubs hanging on my dining room wall. shrug

Now, I define the way I scrapbook as more crafty than arty but I've definitely seen other people's pages that I wouldn't mind hanging on my walls (with my pictures in them, of course).


I would definitely hang something like this up on my walls nod



That just gave me an idea for an old mirror I have hanging around the house. I never thought of putting pictures in it. Thanks for posting!
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Reply #40 posted 09/01/08 12:44pm

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Scrapbooking is cute. It's fun. It's awesome for passing the time, and it's a really kickass way to organize your photos into an album.


But it's not art, damn it. And if I have to listen to one more uninteresting nitwit housewife brag about their artistic and creative prowess through scrapbooking, I might have to hit them with a frying pan.

It's cutting paper and ribbons and arranging it around a photo, people. That's it. I know that art is entirely subjective, and that one person's garbage is another's art, but come on! Can't we draw the line somewhere? Shouldn't art have to involve a little, you know, creativity or effort or thought process or original ideas or something?

You can buy pre-made kits and stickers and designs. There are books available for the low, low price of $24.99 telling their readers what good ideas are. There are goof-proof stickers in case you can't coordinate yourself enough to place it on the page evenly. You can even buy machines now to cut the paper into factory-set designs for you, so you never even have to put in the effort of picking up a pair of scissors.

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Look, if any of you are into scrapbooking, that's cool. I've got nothing against scrapbooking in and of itself.

But God damn it, stop trying to call it art!



I am going to have to disagree with you. Some people don't use kits, design their own patterns etc. Anything in life can be art, cooking is an art, home design is an art, knitting is an art. Anything that is creative can be an art. I am sorry but that's my opinion.


Cooking is art, but is making pasta out of a Lipton Sidekicks package art? That's the difference I'm talking about. Those rare few who put in the time and effort to create their own designs and decorations, I could see the argument for. But so far as I can tell, the majority are the pre-cut sticker "artists".
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Reply #41 posted 09/01/08 12:45pm

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oh pray and please dont be 16

23, and quite enough. Thank you.

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Reply #42 posted 09/01/08 12:58pm

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Everything that is not done for the purposes of survival or reproduction is art.
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Reply #43 posted 09/01/08 1:11pm

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MoniGram said:




I am going to have to disagree with you. Some people don't use kits, design their own patterns etc. Anything in life can be art, cooking is an art, home design is an art, knitting is an art. Anything that is creative can be an art. I am sorry but that's my opinion.


Cooking is art, but is making pasta out of a Lipton Sidekicks package art? That's the difference I'm talking about. Those rare few who put in the time and effort to create their own designs and decorations, I could see the argument for. But so far as I can tell, the majority are the pre-cut sticker "artists".



RARE!!! omfg do you know how big the scrapbooking world is???
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Reply #44 posted 09/01/08 1:12pm

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Everything that is not done for the purposes of survival or reproduction is art.


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Reply #45 posted 09/01/08 1:20pm

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meow85 said:

MoniGram said:




I am going to have to disagree with you. Some people don't use kits, design their own patterns etc. Anything in life can be art, cooking is an art, home design is an art, knitting is an art. Anything that is creative can be an art. I am sorry but that's my opinion.


Cooking is art, but is making pasta out of a Lipton Sidekicks package art? That's the difference I'm talking about. Those rare few who put in the time and effort to create their own designs and decorations, I could see the argument for. But so far as I can tell, the majority are the pre-cut sticker "artists".


You have your right to your opinion, but I really feel that belittling others via a forum is very immature. What is art to some, might not be others. But that doesn't give you a right to tell them what they love to do is nothing.
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Reply #46 posted 09/01/08 1:27pm

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veronikka said:

meow85 said:



Cooking is art, but is making pasta out of a Lipton Sidekicks package art? That's the difference I'm talking about. Those rare few who put in the time and effort to create their own designs and decorations, I could see the argument for. But so far as I can tell, the majority are the pre-cut sticker "artists".



RARE!!! omfg do you know how big the scrapbooking world is???

I do. If the do-it yourself types are the majority, why is it that every craft and art supplies store I've ever been in takes up damn near half their space with scrapbook kits? And holds conferences and talks telling people what ideas are?
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Reply #47 posted 09/01/08 1:29pm

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hey we never said what u do, isnt art, just what everyone else does

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but I scrapbook! nod

should have made and sent you one of these to welcome your guests giggle

Did you make these? Beautiful love!
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Reply #48 posted 09/01/08 1:29pm

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MoniGram said:

meow85 said:



Cooking is art, but is making pasta out of a Lipton Sidekicks package art? That's the difference I'm talking about. Those rare few who put in the time and effort to create their own designs and decorations, I could see the argument for. But so far as I can tell, the majority are the pre-cut sticker "artists".


You have your right to your opinion, but I really feel that belittling others via a forum is very immature. What is art to some, might not be others. But that doesn't give you a right to tell them what they love to do is nothing.


hmm

Clearly, there've been issues all over the Org lately with reading comprehension. Please go back up and read what I initially posted. I am not belittling others, nor did I say scrapbooking is nothing. I even said it was fun and a cool idea, because it is. What I said, is that I don't think it's art. No need to be so damn sensitive. What you chose to read is not what I wrote. confused
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Reply #49 posted 09/01/08 1:35pm

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meow85 said:

MoniGram said:



You have your right to your opinion, but I really feel that belittling others via a forum is very immature. What is art to some, might not be others. But that doesn't give you a right to tell them what they love to do is nothing.


hmm

Clearly, there've been issues all over the Org lately with reading comprehension. Please go back up and read what I initially posted. I am not belittling others, nor did I say scrapbooking is nothing. I even said it was fun and a cool idea, because it is. What I said, is that I don't think it's art. No need to be so damn sensitive. What you chose to read is not what I wrote. confused


This isn't belittling?

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Shouldn't art have to involve a little, you know, creativity or effort or thought process or original ideas or something?
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Reply #50 posted 09/01/08 1:37pm

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but I scrapbook! nod

should have made and sent you one of these to welcome your guests giggle

Did you make these? Beautiful love!



No but it was made by someone who inspires me so much! nod
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Reply #51 posted 09/01/08 1:39pm

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JuliePurplehead said:[quote]

meow85 said:



This isn't belittling?

Meow85 said:

Shouldn't art have to involve a little, you know, creativity or effort or thought process or original ideas or something?

I said that mostly in reference to the kits. But tell me, where's the creativity or originality in picking up one of the most popular hobbies out there and doing the exact same thing as millions of other people? And how hard is it, really, to glue ribbons to paper?

I'm sorry if you think I'm attacking people. But as much as people are allowed to claim what they do is somehow art, I see no reason I shouldn't be allowed to object to it being called that.
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Reply #52 posted 09/01/08 1:42pm

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Did you make these? Beautiful love!



No but it was made by someone who inspires me so much! nod

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Reply #53 posted 09/01/08 1:43pm

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RARE!!! omfg do you know how big the scrapbooking world is???

I do. If the do-it yourself types are the majority, why is it that every craft and art supplies store I've ever been in takes up damn near half their space with scrapbook kits? And holds conferences and talks telling people what ideas are?


For people who are just starting, for inspiration maybe!!! They must provide for all their customers not just some nod
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Reply #54 posted 09/01/08 1:46pm

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veronikka said:

meow85 said:


I do. If the do-it yourself types are the majority, why is it that every craft and art supplies store I've ever been in takes up damn near half their space with scrapbook kits? And holds conferences and talks telling people what ideas are?


For people who are just starting, for inspiration maybe!!! They must provide for all their customers not just some nod

If the majority of the product is for the kit-makers, then logically it's the kit-makers who are the majority. It makes no sense that a craft store would have a large clientele of people who make their own designs and things only to stock mostly product they wouldn't use.

And what's this about inspiration? Do people have a shortage of their own ideas?
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Reply #55 posted 09/01/08 1:54pm

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I said that mostly in reference to the kits. But tell me, where's the creativity or originality in picking up one of the most popular hobbies out there and doing the exact same thing as millions of other people? And how hard is it, really, to glue ribbons to paper?

I'm sorry if you think I'm attacking people. But as much as people are allowed to claim what they do is somehow art, I see no reason I shouldn't be allowed to object to it being called that.




I think you are speaking of the people who directly copy anothers work. Even if you have a kit you don't necessarily have to use everything in there, or you can! You can make your own arrangements, which does take thought and ones own creativity. How is someone else going to capture a moment you have yourself have lived? you must add your own touch and one can do that even using some items from a scrapbooking kit!
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Reply #56 posted 09/01/08 1:56pm

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meow85 said:

JuliePurplehead said:


I said that mostly in reference to the kits. But tell me, where's the creativity or originality in picking up one of the most popular hobbies out there and doing the exact same thing as millions of other people? And how hard is it, really, to glue ribbons to paper?

I'm sorry if you think I'm attacking people. But as much as people are allowed to claim what they do is somehow art, I see no reason I shouldn't be allowed to object to it being called that.
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I would say it's about as hard as making a collage yet lots of people consider a collage as a form of art. And I've never been to a art supply store where the majority is scrapbooking kits. If anything it's paper and tools. I don't know what store you've been to. If it's Wal-Mart then, yeah, it's mostly kit stuff.
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Reply #57 posted 09/01/08 2:00pm

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For people who are just starting, for inspiration maybe!!! They must provide for all their customers not just some nod

If the majority of the product is for the kit-makers, then logically it's the kit-makers who are the majority. It makes no sense that a craft store would have a large clientele of people who make their own designs and things only to stock mostly product they wouldn't use.

And what's this about inspiration? Do people have a shortage of their own ideas?


oh come on! inspiration can come from many things, places, people, music!
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Reply #58 posted 09/01/08 2:08pm

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meow85 said:

JuliePurplehead said:


I said that mostly in reference to the kits. But tell me, where's the creativity or originality in picking up one of the most popular hobbies out there and doing the exact same thing as millions of other people? And how hard is it, really, to glue ribbons to paper?

I'm sorry if you think I'm attacking people. But as much as people are allowed to claim what they do is somehow art, I see no reason I shouldn't be allowed to object to it being called that.

Art is not dictated by how difficult something is, how original it is or how much talent is required to do it. Art is simply any creative form of expression.

That someone else cut out the stars that you attach to a sheet of paper is no different than someone else creating the paint that you attach to a canvas. It's what you do with it that counts.
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Reply #59 posted 09/01/08 2:08pm

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JuliePurplehead said:[quote]

meow85 said:



This isn't belittling?

Meow85 said:

Shouldn't art have to involve a little, you know, creativity or effort or thought process or original ideas or something?



Thank you Julie!
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