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Thread started 08/25/08 10:28am

Lammastide

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Canadian airline removes life vests to save fuel

Seat cushions are enough floatation, government regulation says
Last Updated: Monday, August 25, 2008 | 12:14 PM ET

Air Canada's regional carrier Jazz has removed inflatable life vests from its planes to save weight, a spokeswoman said.

The airline carries both floatation devices (seat cushions) and life vests, and the "Transportation Canada regulation stipulates only one means of floatation is required when we're operating flights within 50 nautical miles from shore," Manon Stuart said Monday.

Life vests for babies have not been removed, she added. Moreover, the airline has adjusted some routes so that the planes remain within the 50-mile (about 90-kilometre) government limit.

The move bothered Woody French, mayor of Conception Bay South, N.L. He has been advocating for an airline passenger bill of rights, and said the removal of the life jackets is a bad idea.

It's not clear how much weight would actually be saved by removing the vests, "but when you're trying to save every bit of money you can to make the airline more productive, every bit counts," Tom Hinton, a former top aviation official at the Transportation Safety Board, told the Toronto Star.

Like other airlines, Jazz is struggling to save money as transportation costs increase. Profit in the second quarter of 2008 fell to $27.4 million from $40.6 million in the comparable quarter of 2007.

Jazz had 137 planes at end 2007, and its website said it has more flights and flies to more Canadian destinations than any other Canadian carrier.
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Reply #1 posted 08/25/08 10:31am

Mach

Your seat cushion may be used as a floatation device

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Reply #2 posted 08/25/08 10:38am

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Chances are that if your plane does a nosedive into the ocean, you're not going to survive anyway. Might as well do it. razz
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Reply #3 posted 08/25/08 10:44am

Lammastide

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TMPletz said:

Chances are that if your plane does a nosedive into the ocean, you're not going to survive anyway. Might as well do it. razz

Funny. That's also been my thinking over the years. lol

But I think I'm more bothered by what this sort of things symbolizes. It's a very sad sign of the times.
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Reply #4 posted 08/25/08 10:54am

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TMPletz said:

Chances are that if your plane does a nosedive into the ocean, you're not going to survive anyway. Might as well do it. razz

chances are if you plane crashes in the middle of Canadaland you won't need them.
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Reply #5 posted 08/25/08 10:54am

ThreadBare

Man, every time I think about visiting Canada, something goes wrong. disbelief
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Reply #6 posted 08/25/08 10:56am

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ThreadBare said:

Man, every time I think about visiting Canada, something goes wrong. disbelief

Come by land... just DON'T take a bus!! shake
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Reply #7 posted 08/25/08 10:58am

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Lammastide said:

ThreadBare said:

Man, every time I think about visiting Canada, something goes wrong. disbelief

Come by land... just DON'T take a bus!! shake


By land? Ohhh, no! They're gonna want to see proof of ID, citizenship and other documentation. As if we weren't already sliding toward a North American Union. hmph! I know what's going on.
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Reply #8 posted 08/25/08 11:32am

Dayclear

That's sad.
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Reply #9 posted 08/25/08 11:41am

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Fucking whiny Canadians.
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Reply #10 posted 08/25/08 1:42pm

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Mars23 said:

Fucking whiny Canadians.

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Reply #11 posted 08/25/08 1:48pm

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Next thing you know they'll get rid of the seats and let you sit on the floor.


I say get rid of the peanuts and alcohol and bad food all together.
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Reply #12 posted 08/25/08 1:48pm

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If your plane go down in ocean, that vest won't do SHIT. lol
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Reply #13 posted 08/25/08 1:50pm

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ArielB said:

Next thing you know they'll get rid of the seats and let you sit on the floor.


I say get rid of the peanuts and alcohol and bad food all together.

I think many airlines have!! lol I know that you now have to pay -- and pretty heftily -- for snacks and drink. On some airlines, you even have to pay for pillows now.
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Reply #14 posted 08/25/08 1:51pm

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ToraToraDreams said:

If your plane go down in ocean, that vest won't do SHIT. lol

Well, at least they'd find your charred, mangled body easier. lol
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Reply #15 posted 08/25/08 1:52pm

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Lammastide said:

ArielB said:

Next thing you know they'll get rid of the seats and let you sit on the floor.


I say get rid of the peanuts and alcohol and bad food all together.

I think many airlines have!! lol I know that you now have to pay -- and pretty heftily -- for food and drink. On some airlines, you even have to pay for pillows now.

That's why I'm taking the bus. biggrin

22 hours or so, is what it took me to get to VA, and it was fine biggrin
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Reply #16 posted 08/25/08 1:54pm

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ArielB said:

Lammastide said:


I think many airlines have!! lol I know that you now have to pay -- and pretty heftily -- for food and drink. On some airlines, you even have to pay for pillows now.

That's why I'm taking the bus. biggrin

22 hours or so, is what it took me to get to VA, and it was fine biggrin

Yeah, I've been fine with bus trips since I was a toddler. My mother used to send me and my sister on a Greyhound to travel to my grandparents' house in Tennessee. I enjoy bus rides even now (even though my bourgeois wife won't do them rolleyes) -- gives you time to think, read, sleep. Granted, though, nowadays you have to wear a suit of armor to be safe on a bus! lol
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Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #17 posted 08/25/08 2:54pm

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Lammastide said:

ArielB said:


That's why I'm taking the bus. biggrin

22 hours or so, is what it took me to get to VA, and it was fine biggrin

Yeah, I've been fine with bus trips since I was a toddler. My mother used to send me and my sister on a Greyhound to travel to my grandparents' house in Tennessee. I enjoy bus rides even now (even though my bourgeois wife won't do them rolleyes) -- gives you time to think, read, sleep. Granted, though, nowadays you have to wear a suit of armor to be safe on a bus! lol
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but Air Canada's flights from the U.S. won't be making this change, just its Jazz service. Um, right? hmm
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ThreadBare said:

Lammastide said:


Yeah, I've been fine with bus trips since I was a toddler. My mother used to send me and my sister on a Greyhound to travel to my grandparents' house in Tennessee. I enjoy bus rides even now (even though my bourgeois wife won't do them rolleyes) -- gives you time to think, read, sleep. Granted, though, nowadays you have to wear a suit of armor to be safe on a bus! lol
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but Air Canada's flights from the U.S. won't be making this change, just its Jazz service. Um, right? hmm

I believe this change only does effect the Air Canada Jazz fleet. But if you were to come up, you'd need to pay attention to which carrier you are assigned when booking. Some U.S. cities are serviced both by Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz -- and they use a common booking system. (Nashville is serviced only by Jazz, I think. neutral)

...But given the tiny bit of water you'd be flying over on a trip up, if your plane were to go down precisely as you were over Lake Erie or Ontario, I'd say it was meant to be. Just let go. lol
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Reply #19 posted 08/25/08 5:04pm

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Lammastide said:

ThreadBare said:


but Air Canada's flights from the U.S. won't be making this change, just its Jazz service. Um, right? hmm

I believe this change only does effect the Air Canada Jazz fleet. But if you were to come up, you'd need to pay attention to which carrier you are assigned when booking. Some U.S. cities are serviced both by Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz -- and they use a common booking system. (Nashville is serviced only by Jazz, I think. neutral)

...But given the tiny bit of water you'd be flying over on a trip up, if your plane were to go down precisely as you were over Lake Erie or Ontario, I'd say it was meant to be. Just let go. lol


Easy for you to say, Expat Boy. neutral
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Reply #20 posted 08/25/08 5:07pm

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Your seat cushion may be used as a floatation device

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we ask that you please observe the 'no letting go' sign... lol

that damned song always pops up in my head as the stewardesses are doing that pre-flight safety presentation.
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Reply #21 posted 08/26/08 10:11am

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BSK3478 said:

Mach said:

Your seat cushion may be used as a floatation device

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we ask that you please observe the 'no letting go' sign... lol

that damned song always pops up in my head as the stewardesses are doing that pre-flight safety presentation.

giggle

Either that, or George Carlin's rant about airline announcements. lol
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Reply #22 posted 08/26/08 10:33am

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Air Canada sucks.
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