Byron said:

usually when i give my take on the meaning of a prince album people tell me i look too deep (maybe i should consider the role forum choice plays tho )


and as far as whether transcends the phsyical = tension... we're talking about prince rogers nelson here...if he's not talking about sexual tension..i'm a big floppy donkey dick with mystical powers

Mysterioso said:

just shows how passionate you are...in time you'll learn to curb it a little, then you'll be surprised what your words do...on and off-line

SirPsycho said:

Everything in Prince's world (especially on Lovesexy) that transcends the physical in his lyrics leads to peace in his eyes, though, not tension...it's the desire for peace that causes him to look past the immediate in his lyics. On "Anna Stesia" it leads to no longer being lonely and no longer feeling the need to be with anyone "so much you'll take anyone, boy or girl".

To keep this more on a GD topic, though lol ...If you, ah, look to "trascend the physical" when it comes to love and sex, it will lead to even better love and sex when it's experienced in the physical...which I guess brings me back to my point 472 posts ago lol...one leads to the other, and the physical experience by necessity has to be better than the "knowing".

RenHoek said:

lemme put it like this...before i can finish a project i've already started the next one...if you ever heard the first three CDs i did, you'd know what i mean...


let's just say none of them are "fully realized"...i've been workin on this fourth one so long, cuz i dont wanna just "move on" like i used to

Byron said:

oh i agree...and even tho i keep my vote, i'll be fucking come the next fitting time

When two are in love
Their bodies shiver at the mere contemplation
Of penetration
Let alone the actual act

I just love that feeling !!!!!

SirPsycho said:

Thanks, bro! That means a lot coming from you. You've got your head on your shoulders from that aspect.

tiadalma said:

This actually backs me up some lol ...he's pretty much saying that as thrilling as the "mere contemplation" is, the "actual act" is even better.

Byron said:

I disagree. Sometimes the fantasy is much, much better than reality. Reality can be disappointing.

Now, I think it can transcend the fantasy too. And nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that.

But sometimes we can build things up so much we can't help but be let down from too high of expectations.

SirPsycho said:

I feel ya... kinda like Lupe Fiasco, took him like 10 years to drop his first album and every song is the BOMB! Just... don't take 10 friggin' years please... we hedz need somethin' to knock to out on the left coast.

I'mma see Heiro do a show on Labor Day weekend!!

Mysterioso said:

ha. this "clarity" just arrived my dude...like, you have no idea..

if you could read my highschool/early college poetry..or see how i used to "play myself" in front of girls back then?...i was all over the place... (i still am truth be told), but i've learned how to wear my emotions since then, vs. letting them wear me..


it's a tricky thing man, but once it "clicks" it "clicks"..

i laugh now at all the times my father tried to break it down to me in the past, and it would go straight over my head


don't get me wrong tho...it's still a process...if i'm not careful i let that "pitiful guy" out the bag and he fucks everything up ...big heart and all..

i think you know what i mean...

*cue warm tv sitcom music*

CarrieMpls said:

But we're not talking about a one-time thing, but comparing the "knowing" to the actual experience. If what you described were to happen, then the actual experience would effect the "knowing", and overtime lessen how we view what we know we could have. And it goes the opposite way as well, when what we experience trascends what we thought we "knew", then overtime it heightens what we know we could have.

Byron said:

i get it ...as long as we "know" through memory...the power of said knowledge will lead us to do it again...

RenHoek said:

Lupe's the man! I'm jealous of him. He's incredibly talented and an incredibly ingenious individual. I'm still trying to figure out the concept of "Dumb It Down". Makes me shriek, every time I try to delve into the lyrical content and trace the subliminal messages. I hear it's suppose to be a purposely off-course parody on the general viewpoint of his motif. His lyrical prowess is jaunting, to me. Damn prodigy!

RenHoek said:

thats what it is man!


and it wont take 10 years...just workin 2 years for 9-10 songs is crazy enough for me...the other cd's i did were usually a 6 month thing

SirPsycho said:

Well, as long as it's postive, yeah lol ...

Mysterioso said:

see no evil. hear no evil. speak no evil.

still as far as abstract concepts go...i think "the instrumental" was better written...

Byron said:

well...i never said, never again...just that the idea is as power as the experience..





by the way...i'm so glad people joined in on and actually returned to the topic at hand...i was afriad my original quiery would be lost to the org by the second page

tiadalma said:

and me too...hence the thread...

i've pissed lovers off, trying to chase tension



some people just dont get it

SirPsycho said:

I could see that working it's way around the abstract ambiguity on that complicated piece of work. Lupe's a funny dude, too!

Mysterioso said:

yeah. i have ALOT of respect for him...anyone who listens can tell he really cares about writing, besides music

Mysterioso said:

That shit's THE BOMB!

and for the uninitiated...



Artist: Lupe Fiasco f/ Gemini
Album: The Cool
Song: Dumb it Down

[Lupe Fiasco – Intro]
Guerrera...("Dumb it down!")
Coolest nigga, what? ("Dumb it down!")
F-N-F, up! ("Dumb it down!")
...("Dumb it down!")

[Lupe Fiasco – Verse One]
I'm fearless, now hear this, I'm earless (less)
and I'm peerless (less), which means I'm eyeless
which means I'm tearless which means my iris
resides where my ears is, which means I'm blinded
But I'ma find it, I can feel it's nearness
But I'ma veer so I don't come near
Like a chicken or a deer, but I remember
I'm not a listener or a seer so my windshield smear
Here you steer, I really shouldn't be behind this
Clearly cause my blindness; the windshield is min-strel
The whole grill is roadkill, so trill and so sincere
Yeah, I'm both them there
Took both pills, when a bloke in a trench coat
and the locs in the chair had approached him here
And he clear as a ghost, so a biter of the throats in the mirror
The writer of the quotes for the ghosts
who supplier of the notes to the living
Riveting is rosy, pockets full of posies
Given to the mother of the deceased
Awaken at war, 'til I'm restin' in peace (peace...peace...peace...)

[Chorus 1 - Gemini]
You goin over niggaz heads, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
They tellin' me that they'on't feel you ("Dumb it down!")
We ain't graduate from school, nigga ("Dumb it down!")
Them big words ain't cool, nigga ("Dumb it down!")
Yeah I heard "Mean and Vicious", nigga ("Dumb it down!")
Make a song for the bitches, nigga! ("Dumb it down!")
We don't care about the weather nigga ("Dumb it down!")
You'll sell more records if you ("Dumb it down!")

[Lupe Fiasco – Verse Two]
And I'm mouthless, which means I'm soundless
Now as far as the hearing, I've found it
It was as far as the distance from the earring to the ground is
But the doorknockers on the ear of a stewardess in a Lear
She fine and she flyin, I feel I'm flying by 'em
cause my mind's on cloud nine and in a mine at the same time
Pimp C/see the wings on the Underground King
Who's also Klingon, to infinity and beyond
Something really stinks, but I Sphinx like Leon
or lying/lion in the desert
I'm flying on Pegasus, you're flying on the pheasant
Writer of the white powder, picker of the fire flowers
Spit, "hot fyah" like Dylan on Chappelle's skit
Yeah, smell it on my unicorn
Don't snort the white horse, but toot my own horn - sleep

[Chorus 2: voice imitating record label executive]
You've been shedding too much light, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
You make'em wanna do right, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
They're gettin self-esteem, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
These girls are trying to be queens, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
They're trying to graduate from school, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
They're startin to think that smart is cool, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
They're trying to get up out the hood, Lu ("Dumb it down!")
I'll tell you what you should do ("Dumb it down!")

[Lupe Fiasco – Verse Three]
And I'm brainless, which means I'm headless -
like Ichabod Crane is
Or foreplay-less sex is, which makes me saneless (less)
with no neck left to hang the chain with
Which makes me necklace-less, like a necklace theft
and I ain't used my headrest yet
They said they need proof like a vestless chest
'bout the best-fed F-F jet in the nest
Who exudes confidence and, excess depth
Even Scuba Steve would find it hard to breathe
Around these leagues...my snorkel is a tuba
Lu the ruler around these seas
Westside Poseidon, Westside beside 'em
Chest high and rising, almost touching the knees
of stewardess and the pilot, lucky they make ya fly wit...
Personal floating devices, tricks falling out of my sleeves
David Blaine, make it rain...
Make a boat, I make a plane
Then, I pull the plug and I, make it drain
Until I feel like flowin and fillin it up again...
Westsiiiide

[Chorus 3: Gemini]
You puttin me to sleep, nigga ("Dumb it down!")
That's why you ain't poppin in the streets, nigga! ("Dumb it down!")
You ain't winnin no awards nigga! ("Dumb it down!")
Robots and skateboards, nigga?! ("Dumb it down!")
GQ Man of the Year, G? ("Dumb it down!")
Shit ain't rockin over here, B ("Dumb it down!")
Won't you talk about your cars nigga? ("Dumb it down!")
What the fuck is “Goyard” nigga ("Dumb it down!")
Make it rain for the chicks ("Dumb it down!")
Po' CHAMPAGNE on a bitch!! ("Dumb it down!")
What the fuck is WRONG WITH YOU?! ("Dumb it down!")
...How can I get on a song with you? ("Dumb it down!")

[Gemini - Outro]
Look B, here's my man, my two-way...
Uh...what should I...ah - here take this
That right there, fuck if my boys'll talk about me, nigga
Nigga, you hot to me! I like you! ("Dumb it down!")

[Lupe – sampled from 'Ignorant Freestyle" then slowed down]
Bishop G, they told me I should come down cousin
but I flatly refuse I AIN'T DUMB DOWN NUTTIN...

ALL THANKS TO YOUTUBE AND WWW.OHHLA.COM

RenHoek said:

it feels so good to know other rap supports on the org...

i'd love to know what vain andy thinks about this...

besides he cant shake his ass to the tempo

SirPsycho said:

but I cain't front... I been tryin' to learn how to cripwalk for years... and you bore witness to the disaster that is the runnin' man... I can humpty hump like mufukka' tho'

RenHoek said:

you mean Shock G..the one who put the satin on ya panties? ()

RenHoek said:

This song frustrates me because of it's broad referential predication. I can't read line for line without analyzing and losing touch with own perceived Intelligence Quota. The second verse is the only one that I can mentally and psychologically pick through. He was on a controlled chaos frenzy with this one. It's an enigma!

Mysterioso said:

i dont think all the blame should fall on us as the listener tho..

i'm learing the challange of the rapper is: to appropriately place and moderate braggadocio (which rapping lends itself to), the process of disertation, and the reckless abandon/freedom of poetic liscene...while accenting the rhythm track vocally as would an instrumentalist...with swagger no-less

which is one of the main reasons i salute lupe beyond most emcees...i think lupe has a great understanding of this...

but it is indeed a challange and not an easy one, so it's very possible lupe dropped the ball once or twice (as all rappers do) leaving it up to the listener to fill in the "grey areas"..

but then again i would say some shit like that

SirPsycho said:

i mean this to say: when a rapper's not careful, all of this bleeds into one another, causing the original message he intends to deliver 2 fall short of it's target
[Edited 8/22/08 14:07pm]

SirPsycho said:

I think he hits the target well. But it's somewhat of a borderline caricaturist's nocturnal emission, if you get what I'm saying. Then again, I think it's the jealousy and envy in my dark, murky, vindictive soul!

SirPsycho said:

DA'S MY BOY!!

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