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PrintableJustErin said: Tremolina said: Don't do it.
Red won't get out easily and you will look silly for months, or you will be running to your hair stylist every week and lose a fortune. Unless you have reddisch brown hair yourself: DON'T DO IT. Wait, why would I be stuck with it? I would just colour it really dark again if I hate it. It's not that easy. Colouring it black don't work right when you just colored it red. Like I said: you will be seeing your hair stylist every week and lose a fortune on him if you do that. | |
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Tremolina said: JustErin said: Wait, why would I be stuck with it? I would just colour it really dark again if I hate it. It's not that easy. Colouring it black don't work right when you just colored it red. Like I said: you will be seeing your hair stylist every week and lose a fortune on him if you do that. I wouldn't be colouring it black. It would go back to really dark brown. I've gone light and dark enough to know that if I hate it, I can get rid of it by going back to dark. The problem would lie in if I wanted to go light. Going light with red is a total bitch. And I've been doing my own hair for years. I'd probably just fix it on my own. | |
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JustErin said: Tremolina said: It's not that easy. Colouring it black don't work right when you just colored it red. Like I said: you will be seeing your hair stylist every week and lose a fortune on him if you do that. I wouldn't be colouring it black. It would go back to really dark brown. I've gone light and dark enough to know that if I hate it, I can get rid of it by going back to dark. The problem would lie in if I wanted to go light. Going light with red is a total bitch. And I've been doing my own hair for years. I'd probably just fix it on my own. You have never done red first and then dark again. I have seen it before. Ask your hair stylist (and no don't take his word at face value, ask him ALL the consequences). | |
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Tremolina said: JustErin said: I wouldn't be colouring it black. It would go back to really dark brown. I've gone light and dark enough to know that if I hate it, I can get rid of it by going back to dark. The problem would lie in if I wanted to go light. Going light with red is a total bitch. And I've been doing my own hair for years. I'd probably just fix it on my own. You have never done red first and then dark again. I have seen it before. Ask your hair stylist (and no don't take his word at face value, ask him ALL the consequences). Yes I have - many times. 
Just not this particular red colour. | |
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JustErin said: Tremolina said: You have never done red first and then dark again. I have seen it before. Ask your hair stylist (and no don't take his word at face value, ask him ALL the consequences). Yes I have - many times.
Just not this particular red colour.
Then why all the questions silly? Oh yeah I forgot.... | |
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Tremolina said: JustErin said: I wouldn't be colouring it black. It would go back to really dark brown. I've gone light and dark enough to know that if I hate it, I can get rid of it by going back to dark. The problem would lie in if I wanted to go light. Going light with red is a total bitch. And I've been doing my own hair for years. I'd probably just fix it on my own. You have never done red first and then dark again. I have seen it before. Ask your hair stylist (and no don't take his word at face value, ask him ALL the consequences). I've gone red and then back to dark brown before. It's not a problem. It's just an extra step - they tone out the red, then do the brown color. No biggie. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: Tremolina said: You have never done red first and then dark again. I have seen it before. Ask your hair stylist (and no don't take his word at face value, ask him ALL the consequences). I've gone red and then back to dark brown before. It's not a problem. It's just an extra step - they tone out the red, then do the brown color. No biggie. For whatever reason, I'm still nervous about this! | |
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JustErin said: Genesia said: I've gone red and then back to dark brown before. It's not a problem. It's just an extra step - they tone out the red, then do the brown color. No biggie. For whatever reason, I'm still nervous about this! Honestly, I'd be more concerned about going red (and keeping it up) than getting back if you don't like it. Red color is just notoriously unstable. Make sure you have plenty of old towels you can dry your hair with - because you aren't going to want to use your good towels for at least a week after coloring. My red actually stayed pretty well. (My hair has a super tight tight cuticle and holds color like crazy.) But I picked a red of the same level my hair was to begin with (i.e., I didn't go lighter), which helped. Even so, I wished I could afford to have it colored every three weeks - instead of every six. The outgrowth just drove me crazy. That's why I went back to a dark warm brown after about a year. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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JustErin said: Genesia said: I've gone red and then back to dark brown before. It's not a problem. It's just an extra step - they tone out the red, then do the brown color. No biggie. For whatever reason, I'm still nervous about this! I've never seen anyone have a problem if they have a professional who knows what they're doing. Don't worry about it. |
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CarrieMpls said: Serious said: To get a really bright red result you have to bleach it first, thats the only way.
Not for everyone. Bleach hasn't touched my hair in years and I get bright, firey reds all the time. What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Serious said: CarrieMpls said: Not for everyone. Bleach hasn't touched my hair in years and I get bright, firey reds all the time. What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. I think the problem was your colorist - not your hair. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Serious said: CarrieMpls said: Not for everyone. Bleach hasn't touched my hair in years and I get bright, firey reds all the time. What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. I'm pretty sure it's doable without bleach because even the Feria brand claims that they give optimal results on dark hair. | |
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JustErin said: Serious said: What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. I'm pretty sure it's doable without bleach because even the Feria brand claims that they give optimal results on dark hair. You really, really don't want to attempt this yourself. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: JustErin said: I'm pretty sure it's doable without bleach because even the Feria brand claims that they give optimal results on dark hair. You really, really don't want to attempt this yourself. I wasn't saying I was going to...but mainly the reason for not wanting to do it on my own is the huge mess it would make. I can see it now, red dye everywhere. It would look like a murder took place! | |
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Genesia said: Serious said: What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. I think the problem was your colorist - not your hair. I don't think so. I have been to at least 4 different hair dressers through the years and paid a fortune and they all told me they would handle it with ease and in some months my hair would be amazing if I just did everything they told me. When you do permanent waves and colouring for many years to very fine hair like mine it's a problem  . Not everybody got thick hair  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Serious said: Genesia said: I think the problem was your colorist - not your hair. I don't think so. I have been to at least 4 different hair dressers through the years and paid a fortune and they all told me they would handle it with ease and in some months my hair would be amazing if I just did everything they told me. When you do permanent waves and colouring for many years to very fine hair like mine it's a problem . Not everybody got thick hair .Overprocessing is a bitch. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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JustErin said: Genesia said: You really, really don't want to attempt this yourself. I wasn't saying I was going to...but mainly the reason for not wanting to do it on my own is the huge mess it would make. I can see it now, red dye everywhere. It would look like a murder took place! Whew! When I saw Feria, I thought 
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JustErin said: Serious said: What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. I'm pretty sure it's doable without bleach because even the Feria brand claims that they give optimal results on dark hair. I got this red without bleaching. But it faded away very quick and that was the best result I ever got without bleaching. 
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Genesia said: Serious said: I don't think so. I have been to at least 4 different hair dressers through the years and paid a fortune and they all told me they would handle it with ease and in some months my hair would be amazing if I just did everything they told me. When you do permanent waves and colouring for many years to very fine hair like mine it's a problem . Not everybody got thick hair .Overprocessing is a bitch. I know  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Serious said: Genesia said: Overprocessing is a bitch. I know .Well, mine is not over-processed at all and I am nervous that this will fuck up my hair in some way. | |
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I dye my own hair... I know people have issues with that but I don't have the money to spend on having it done.... anyway...
I usedthis 
about 6 weeks ago and my hair went the color of the photo you have up top,it is gradually washing out, but it's still kinda bright. In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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JustErin said: Serious said: I know .Well, mine is not over-processed at all and I am nervous that this will fuck up my hair in some way. DO NOT STRIP YOUR HAIR! It's so not worth it. Oh and I used Feria- Ruby Rush, and my hair turned hot pink.  In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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Serious said: CarrieMpls said: Not for everyone. Bleach hasn't touched my hair in years and I get bright, firey reds all the time. What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. My natural color is light brown/dark blond. Which it sounds as if Erin's is too. For for her, other than lifting the dark color she currently has on her head, once new growth comes in it will be easy. Also - she's going to a bright dark red, your color is much lighter with orange-y undertones. You're going for very different shades. And if they didn't bleach it to begin with, they wouldn't need to keep bleaching your roots to make it match. You can break the cycle, totally, but it will take some growing out to do. |
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CarrieMpls said: Serious said: What is your natural hair colour? I thougt with her very dark hair it wouldn't be possible. Mine is very dark brown and for some time it worked to get a bright red without bleaching, but it was impossible to get the same colour for all the hair once there were dark roots. They always had a different red than the rest of the hair, so I got highlights, but they completely ruined my hair which was already permanenently curled and coloured anyway. Apart from that they made the rest of my hair even brighter, so the difference to the dark roots was even more difficult to handle. My natural color is light brown/dark blond. Which it sounds as if Erin's is too. For for her, other than lifting the dark color she currently has on her head, once new growth comes in it will be easy. Also - she's going to a bright dark red, your color is much lighter with orange-y undertones. You're going for very different shades. And if they didn't bleach it to begin with, they wouldn't need to keep bleaching your roots to make it match. You can break the cycle, totally, but it will take some growing out to do. They keep telling me that it is not possible to make your hair lighter without chemicals that bleach it (dyeing instead of tinting). The problems with the roots may also be because the part of my hair that has had a permanent wave is lighter than the roots. As long as I was okay with darker reds it kinda worked, but once I went for lighter reds I had all kinds of different shades in it if I just got it tinted. So I decided to dye it and now it all has the same colour, although as soon as the tinting fades away that I get above the other colour, there are some differences in the colour again  .
But of course Erin's situation is different. With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Serious said: CarrieMpls said: My natural color is light brown/dark blond. Which it sounds as if Erin's is too. For for her, other than lifting the dark color she currently has on her head, once new growth comes in it will be easy. Also - she's going to a bright dark red, your color is much lighter with orange-y undertones. You're going for very different shades. And if they didn't bleach it to begin with, they wouldn't need to keep bleaching your roots to make it match. You can break the cycle, totally, but it will take some growing out to do. They keep telling me that it is not possible to make your hair lighter without chemicals that bleach it (dyeing instead of tinting). The problems with the roots may also be because the part of my hair that has had a permanent wave is lighter than the roots. As long as I was okay with darker reds it kinda worked, but once I went for lighter reds I had all kinds of different shades in it if I just got it tinted. So I decided to dye it and now it all has the same colour, although as soon as the tinting fades away that I get above the other colour, there are some differences in the colour again .
But of course Erin's situation is different. But there’s a difference between using a color with some lift and bleaching your hair out first, then coloring on top of that. I guess that’s all I’m getting at. Yes, they both damage your hair, but one much less so than the other. And definitely trust your stylist more than me. I’m just going off my own experiences and everything I’ve gathered from my own stylist over the year. |
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CarrieMpls said: Serious said: They keep telling me that it is not possible to make your hair lighter without chemicals that bleach it (dyeing instead of tinting). The problems with the roots may also be because the part of my hair that has had a permanent wave is lighter than the roots. As long as I was okay with darker reds it kinda worked, but once I went for lighter reds I had all kinds of different shades in it if I just got it tinted. So I decided to dye it and now it all has the same colour, although as soon as the tinting fades away that I get above the other colour, there are some differences in the colour again .
But of course Erin's situation is different. But there’s a difference between using a color with some lift and bleaching your hair out first, then coloring on top of that. I guess that’s all I’m getting at. Yes, they both damage your hair, but one much less so than the other. And definitely trust your stylist more than me. I’m just going off my own experiences and everything I’ve gathered from my own stylist over the year.I am quite sure you have learned a lot over the years  . And to be honest I just trust my stylist because I have to .
I get it dyed first in red (and as far as I know when you do that it's bleaching, but maybe I am wrong  ) and then I get it tinted in pretty much the same red above the other red so that the coulor is more shiny and intense. With every time I wash it the tinted colour fades away while the chemical dyed one hardly fades away.With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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JustErin said: Did anyone like that last pic I posted?
Fukkin' LOVED it and that color would make you too hot to handle! If you can find a pro to help you achieve THAT look I'd say GO FOR IT!!!  A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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