This story has been bubbling under the gay world surface for bout a week now and I guess the administration has kicked them off the team.

What are your thoughts on this? Is there a reason for the dismissal? Some sort of "wrongfully representation of the university" reasoning going on? Or is the idea of nudity and such not a big deal to the younger generation? The old folks still shamed bout the human body?

Here's the article.


http://ap.google.com/arti...gD92H2U600


LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) — Two Nebraska wrestlers, including one who won an NCAA championship in 2007, have been dismissed from the team after posing naked for videos and photographs on an Internet pornography site.

Paul Donahoe and Kenny Jordan were let go Tuesday, three days after a blog posted images of them taken from Fratmentv.com, a Web site featuring naked or partially clothed male athletes.

"The history of behavior of these men, including the current matter, does not reflect the standard of excellence we aspire to on and off the mat," coach Mark Manning said in a statement. "We have outstanding student-athletes in our program and we will move forward in a positive manner toward our goals.

"I want to personally apologize for any embarrassment that may have been caused for our athletic department, the university and our fans."

Manning didn't address the nature of the wrestlers' past transgressions, and didn't immediately return a message left on his cell phone seeking comment.

Jordan and Donahoe have had a series of run-ins with the law in Lincoln. Jordan has paid fines for possessing or consuming alcohol as a minor, trespassing and assault, and Donahoe for maintaining a disorderly house and having an open alcohol container.

Donahoe did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment. The Associated Press has requested interviews with the men through the athletic department. Personal phone numbers couldn't be found.

The athletic department became aware of the images on the Internet late last week, assistant athletic director for compliance Josh White said. Donahoe and Jordan were declared ineligible because they violated an NCAA rule that prohibits athletes from appearing in pictures for commercial use, White said.

Donahoe and Jordan would have to apply to the NCAA for reinstatement if they choose to wrestle for another school, White said.

Donahoe, who would be a senior, won the Big 12 championship at 125 pounds in 2008 and placed third in the NCAA tournament after winning the title the year before.

Jordan, a junior 133-pounder, was fourth in the Big 12 and failed to place at nationals this past season.

The Scarlet Project, a blog that touts itself for reporting "news, scandal and gossip" at the university, posted the pictures online but altered them so that they didn't show full nudity. The blog reported that they were obtained from an anonymous person.

John Marsh, who operates Fratmentv.com and two related Web sites catering to gay men, said he's spoken with Donahoe and Jordan and that both indicated they want to continue as college wrestlers. He said Donahoe was a "dynamite" wrestler.

"If Nebraska is going to be pigheaded and kick him off unreasonably," Marsh said, "there has to be another wrestling program that's going to want him."

Marsh said most photo and video shoots are done in Los Angeles, where Fratmentv.com is based, but that some are done at other locations. Members of Fratmentv.com pay $24.99 for access to hundreds of images and videos.

Marsh wouldn't say how much he pays models or how he hires them.

"It's not money that they would be making working as a waiter," he said. "They get well-compensated. It's better than beer money."

Marsh said his models typically don't care about videos and pictures of them being seen on the Web.

"I'm in my mid 40s, and my generation has a stigma about porn," he said. "The kids, the generation of the student-athletes, don't have that stigma. They really don't care.

"They've come from a Paris Hilton, Tommy Lee-Pamela Anderson sex tape generation, Myspace pages. The shame and stigma aren't there for them. They're mostly worried about what their parents are going to think, because their parents think it's horrifying."

Kicks them off the team or the out of the University? Sorry, didn't read the article


If it's off the team, I can see why--they're representing the University and members doing porn straight or gay, may not be an image the University wants to have.


Being kicked out of the University itself is a different animal to me, though to some degree I guess all students represent the University, but I think there's a hazy but definate line between the two.

Basic Solo stuff.

Off the team.

It was an internet pornography site. That is totally inappropriate while you are representing your school as an athlete.

lazycrockett said:

Yeah, I understand they weren't on duty or in uniform.

But atheletes represent their University 24/7.
I don't necessarily think the University was in the wrong, even though I don't personally consider doing porn something to be stigmatized.

dreamfactory313 said:

They used fake names, so they weren't really representing their school.

But rules are rules, and as long as the NCAA and the university are consistent in how they would handle something like this whether it was a straight or gay site, then I guess it's fair. On the other hand, I don't understand why their "series of run-in with the law" didn't preclude them from representing their school as wrestlers in the first place. I think it just shows the school is far more embarrassed by sexual matters than by violence or drinking or anything like that.

images! where are the links to the actual images?

horatio said:

I so saw "Imago" instead of "Images" when I read that.
Yais, I know that makes no sense...but it was funny to me for about 2 seconds.



anywhozits, didn't this happen to a female Olympian a few days ago?

horatio said:

link NSFW

http://www.queerclick.com...mencom.php

lazycrockett said:

The first one is too pretty and the second one is too alien looking.


Both are too young.


Maybe they can make wrestling fettish films?

lazycrockett said:

sweet!

Efan said:

Using fake names did not prevent them from being recognized so that argument fails. Someone knew who they were and the school.

They got punished for photowhoring on the Org? Harsh!

SUPRMAN said:

I doubt it. I suppose it's possible that someone who frequents gay porn sites saw a familiar face and felt obligated to report it. But it seems much more likely that one of the wrestlers told a friend, who told somebody else, and so on, until it reached someone affiliated with The Scarlet Project, and that's where the real douchebags enter the story, in my opinion.

I referred to the two guys' using fake names just to point out that they weren't trading on their names, school, or positions on the wrestling team; they were trading on their looks/bodies. And then I pointed out that rules are rules, and as long as the school wasn't being harsher on them for being on a gay site, then it all seemed fair. They gambled with their athletic careers, their reputations, relationships, all that, so that's that.

Even so, I don't think they deserved to be publically humiliated. The Scarlet Project didn't care about the NCAA's rules; they just wanted publicity for themselves. If they didn't, they would have privately reported the matter, and the result would have been almost the same: The two guys would have been forced off the team for their lapse in judgment. But it wouldn't have been listed on the Drudge Report and in other news outlets, and the two young men's parents, families, and future employers wouldn't have to know about it.

That's just my opinion. I just think it's a shame that they've become so notorious over this and I feel bad for them, to be honest.

Efan said:

or Coach saw it on line

horatio said:

Then it would have stayed a private matter, I would think. A coach wouldn't want to bring embarrassment to his team. And a coach in Nebraska most definitely wouldn't want to make the general public think of his wrestlers as gay.

i still havent wacked off too, i mean seen the pictures of the other boy.

I had these pix before I knew it was going to be a scandal.

I don't know. It's being too sensationalized.

I think the university is completely wrong with this.

Stymie said:

i mean shit, it wrestling after all
if that isnt gay i dont know what is

NSFW

http://fleshbot.com/50353...-no-really

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Thank you, thank you!

horatio said:

SUPRMAN said:

oh, uhm yeah.

thanks!

You're welcome y'all!!!!