DevotedPuppy said:

i'm not saying that women should or shouldn't get equal pay, i just stated it as a fact. As we saw from janfriend's posts, assuming is never a good thing.

my point was that women make many sacrifices for men so it shouldn't be a big deal for men to do it for women.

i think that women should be treated with respect as well but i think that my idea of respect just differs from yours.

and that's OK!



yeah, that's the damn truth! especially on the 6 during rush hour...damn!
[Edited 8/2/08 19:10pm]

JasmineFire said:

Why is a man not giving up his seat to a woman being a jerk? A man giving up his seat would be courteous but it's not a requirement; and if he chooses not to, I don't think it should be held against him. And yes, women could do the same. I have given up my seat to guys that have a lot of bags or whatever.


oh and I also decline to sit down a lot of times when guys offer me their seats. Especially if I'm only going a few stops. I even dislike it when I'm in line to get on the bus and guys that were clearly there before me insist on letting me go first. I'm like, just hurry up and get on the bus so we can go!


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[Edited 8/2/08 19:15pm]

DevotedPuppy said:

for all the reasons that i previously stated but you disagree with.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

how do you determine this? do you have a public transportation test?

don't most of you cali people drive?

JasmineFire said:[quote]

DevotedPuppy said:

Yeah, I just heard on the news that the MTA has ordered new subway cars where the seats flip up and lock like that. They plan to use them during rush hour so they can accomodate more people (but no seats for anyone). I'm glad my commute won't be affected by this because I think this sounds miserable. I hate being packed in like sardines and having guys take advantage of the close quarters to cop a feel.

JasmineFire said:

Ok?! I travel a lot .... I can honestly say NY's rock buttttt I did have to give a seat over a young man whom I glared at... ( Not that my thigh muscles care but I still have my grandparents and i'd be harmed if their 91 year old legs were left to fen for themselves. I recal feeling sad for the elderly in NY's subway system.They clung to the walls for dear life as the spry shot past them at 72 "foot" miles per hour.

As for wait staff, far easier.... Cali is loaded down with restaurant scenarios.

On another note, I can report many male orgers in this joint are veryyyyy sweet to staff and all....

DevotedPuppy said:

damn! that does sound hellacious.

did they ever make the L train totally computer run? that was one of the big subway issues when i was still living there.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I live by a different code - it's called "looking out for numero uno, because no one else will". You learn that real fast growing up in this cold(and sometimes cruel) town.

I believe in treating folks with respect, but not 'special treatment', as Devoted Puppy said.

StillGotIt said:

Maybe now that you guys have stopped ripping your highways apart after 16 years and (presumably) no longer have collapsing tunnels I'll be brave enough to drive at 26 mph!

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

i've never been to southern cali...i need to go there someday soon.

uPtoWnNY said:

Fair enough I hear you. I still think if you tried a little giving more then you normaly would, you'd be amazed at the response.

DevotedPuppy said:

The #6 train at rush hour is a nightmare - this will make it worse. Sh!t.


F-ck the MTA. Bastards are worse than the Mafia. They have some cajones asking for another fare hike(for next year and the year after). All the loot they rake in and they can't balance their books? They're ful of sh!t. Bloomberg better fight this.

JasmineFire said:

Let a sister know!

uPtoWnNY said:

i doubt that he will. he's probably in on it.

i never understood the fact that the MTA goes on and on about it's damn surplus and then hikes up fares like it's nothing.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

i will!

uPtoWnNY said:

Exactly. I am tired of them raising fares saying they won't do it for x years, then they have a surplus, then oops, we messed up. They need to get it together.

But to be fair, the news story said they hadn't decided with lines will be the ones with these new cars. They said the MTA expects it will allow 18% more people on each car. Ugh. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the 4, 5, and 6--they are all packed. They really need to follow through with the 2nd Ave line. I used to live by the 6 and I hated it. It was almost more crowded on the weekends. Now I am on the westside by the 1,2,3, A,C,B and D so it's great.


And JasmineFire, I think the L line is fully computerized now. It is truly my least favorite line so I avoid it (and Williamsburg) like the plague. When I first moved to NYC I lived in Alphabet City and had to commute to Morningside Heights for grad school. That f*cking train was messed up all the damn time--I was always late for class, or would try to go to the library on the weekends only to find the L wasn't running.

DevotedPuppy said:

the L is a piece of shit. if you live on the L you may as well have a car.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

In THIS town????

Our taxes are through the roof, fares keep going up, every other street corner some fool's trying to sell us something, and then you have folks with sob stories looking for handouts. That's why I have a wall around me and a look on my face saying 'keep your distance'. How do you think I've survived NYC all these years? This town will eat up people who are soft or naive.

uPtoWnNY said:

I hear you I really do. I don't think anyone whom has met me would characterize me as soft or naive. ( not saying you meant that.)

We can agree to disagree.

DevotedPuppy said:

Please. you said So you mean pre-20th century architecture without a question mark, which implies you assumed you knew what I meant by my statement. I made a statement. I don't need to elaborate. You can disagree if you want, but asking me why and then trying to answer it yourself was out of line

Janfriend said:

I have to agree with you a little....

In NC there is always some idiot going "I'm from New YAwk, sweetheart!" I would always retort, you're in NC now, and you are in my house, I don't give a fuck where you from. Where are you now? Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

They were so conceited with that shit. I was like, why'd you move then? Don't put me down cause I don't want to pay 1200 a month to live in someone's basement. I pissed them off a lot.

But I hate that shit! Mother fucker you are HERE now, assimilate.

I love DC too. Ain't no nightlife like DC nightlife. DC.....now that is a Chocolate City. Just cosmopolitan enough. I would like NY, but see the previoue paragraphs. Everything in NY as far as real estate is small and pretentious.

There are some orgers from New York who are pretty cool.

New York smells like pee and raw sewage.

magnificentsynthesizer said:

That's just Staten Island. The rest of NY is fine!

As a native Noo Yawka, all I can say that no other city like this exists in the world.

It's an International City where anything and everything is possible because so many people come here and make the city their own.

It's the city that never sleeps, the city where all the critics love you, home of the Bronx Bombers, and Broadway, the financial capital of the world, the media center of the moment, and the World's Richest City with at last count, 31 Billionaires living here. It's the city of the Statue of Liberty, gateway to the United States for wave after wave of immigrants who came here through Ellis Island to settle in the Lower East Side. It's the home of Chinatown, Little Italy, Little India, Soho, Noho, St. Marks Place, the Empire State Building, Coney Island, Nathan's hot dogs, Central Park, Museum Mile, the Strand bookstore, Times Square, Columbia, Fordham, and NYU, the Letterman show, Late Night with Conan, and of course Saturday Night Live. New York is what it is because it takes everything homegrown and imported and transforms it into something better. The subway, the buses, the taxis, the energy of New York just magically transforms a place from the grit of East New York to the shining towers near Tiffany's. Fifth Ave, Madison Ave, Bleecker Street, Canal Street, every neighborhood is a peek into another world. From the homes of All in the Family, to the luxury apartments of the Jeffersons, from the coffee shops of the Friends, to the shoppes of the gals from Sex and the City, from the classrooms where Mr. Kotter teaches, to the clubs where Tony Manero changed the world, from the diners where Jerry, Elaine, Kramer, and George talk shop, to the streets where Law and Order reign, there is nothing like New York. Dollar hot dogs are across the street from Lincoln Center, high and low culture mixing into something quite extraordinary.

Are New Yorkers the coolest Americans? No, but New York City is one of the coolest places in the world.
[Edited 8/12/08 19:12pm]

aarrgh GAT DAM IT!

uPtoWnNY said:

Dude, I do the exact same thing. Once I sit down on the train, it's over, unless those special cases come up and even then I hesitate to do it but I do.
[Edited 8/13/08 6:37am]

purplecam said:

What if im really really tired and need to rest my legs??
I hope y'all dont ride the 2 train

DanceWme said:

How do you know my legs aren't tired? And I used to ride the 2 everyday to school and I rarely got a seat on it so I know how much of a mess it can be. We'll just be standing together.