2elijah said:

Yep, and I'm one of those men. Sorry ladies, but you better be pregnant, very old or handicapped for me to give up my seat. Otherwise, y'all stand like everyone else.

It's called 'survival of the fittest'.

uPtoWnNY said:

shit...more like "comfort of the quickest".

2elijah said:

Yep, and I'm one of those men. Sorry ladies, but you better be pregnant, very old or handicapped for me to give up my seat. Otherwise, y'all stand like everyone else.

It's called 'survival of the fittest'.

People in europe think so its because they are the most european I suppose so I will say they are aswell.

NY has great concentration of artistic talent and I love NY's varied cultures.

For me it is the best city in the world.

People in europe think so its because they are the most european I suppose so I will say they are aswell.

rolling said:

New Yorkers are awful arrogant assholes

DC is the most European in terms of Architecture

uPtoWnNY said:

no, it's called being a jerk. especially if the woman is wearing heels.

when i would ride the train with a pregnant woman, if i didn't give my seat up then it was usually another woman.

rolling said:

Who are the cooliest Eurpeans then?????

Janfriend said:

Why? Because DC doesn't have skyscrapers? So you mean pre-20th century architecture. I'd actually say Chicago is the best example in the US of a city with *modern* European architecture--there are more Mies van der Rohe buildings in Chicago than anywhere else in North America.

2elijah said:

Yep, and I'm one of those men. Sorry ladies, but you better be pregnant, very old or handicapped for me to give up my seat. Otherwise, y'all stand like everyone else.

It's called 'survival of the fittest'.

abierman said:

Little Italy in NYC

They are VERY cool. Especially Joni!

If, as a woman, one wants to be treated equally in society, then why should women automatically get a seat just because of their gender? Especially if they are physically able to stand. I admit there are days when I am tired, my feet hurt, and I would love to have a seat, but I am not going to expect a guy, who may be just as tired as me, and have sore feet (who knows?) give up his seat. That's the way it goes if you want to be "equal".

DevotedPuppy said:

Don't assume to know what I mean. I didn't say anything about a particular century or skyscrapers. Calm the fuck down

RodeoSchro said:

2the9's

I rest my case!

JasmineFire said:

But why is not giving up your seat to an "able-bodied" woman being a jerk? (He implied if they were preggers or older he would give it up.) It is a woman's choice to wear heels, so if they hurt her feet she can choose not to wear them. Plus how is a guy (or anyone else) supposed to read a woman's mind to know if her shoes hurt her feet.

I'm with uPtoWnNY on this. If, as a woman, one wants to be treated equally in society, then why should women automatically get a seat just because of their gender? Especially if they are physically able to stand. I admit there are days when I am tired, my feet hurt, and I would love to have a seat, but I am not going to expect a guy, who may be just as tired as me, and have sore feet (who knows?) give up his seat. That's the way it goes if you want to be "equal".

Same with opening doors...I don't expect a guy to rush ahead and open doors for me (actually I get kind of annoyed when they constantly insist on doing it); I think it's courteous for whomever reaches the door first (male or female) to hold it open for the other person (male or female). Equal opportunity door opening!





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DevotedPuppy said:

Preaching the truth.


And if a woman's feet are sore because of high heels, ain't my problem. Wear sensible shoes next time you ride the subway.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

DevotedPuppy said:

i'm not for that kind of equality and never said that i was. i believe that men should hold doors open for women, give up their seats, and carry the heavy objects. I'm just old fashioned like that.



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uPtoWnNY said:

what's so wrong with a woman wanting to be a woman and wanting to be treated accordingly?

what's so wrong with treating women with respect? we get paid $0.70 on the dollar compared to men, we are often the ones who are giving birth and raising children, cooking, cleaning house, and pleasing our men. Not all of us are these ultrafeminists who want to be just like men, many of us just want to be treated well.

What's so wrong with giving up your seat to a woman passenger on the train? especially if you're going to get off in one or two stops?

JasmineFire said:

I never presumed you were. That's why I was careful to use "one" instead of "you" in the grammar of my post. I think if *one* expects to be treated equally in society, then common courtesy (non-gender dependent) replaces male chivalry.

DevotedPuppy said:

okay.

so why is a man giving up his seat to a woman not common courtesy? i guess a woman could always give her seat up to a man if she so desired.

JasmineFire said:

Its ok if we simply agree to disagree life experiences and what we each want and give to life directly impacts what we receive.

The ol' its harder to place something in an clenched fist then an open hand. I'll give up my seat for elderly of any gender as well as anyone with kids in tow.... Not that I do anything specifically for reward, I do fully recognize what you give in this world is what you get all n all.

uPtoWnNY said:

what's so wrong with a woman wanting to be a woman and wanting to be treated accordingly?

what's so wrong with treating women with respect? we get paid $0.70 on the dollar compared to men, we are often the ones who are giving birth and raising children, cooking, cleaning house, and pleasing our men. Not all of us are these ultrafeminists who want to be just like men, many of us just want to be treated well.

What's so wrong with giving up your seat to a woman passenger on the train? especially if you're going to get off in one or two stops?

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

yeah, i'm cool with that.