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Printableviolator said: heartbeatocean said: At my stage of life, I honestly can't see any use for it. If there were kids involved, a traditional 'partnering' of families, a certain role to play in society, or for legal benefits...yeah okay,
But my family is incredibly disjointed, my boyfriend's family is as nuts as mine, and the whole idea of extended family makes me cringe. And I'm already comfortable as a societal maverick. If I got married, I would do so with the distinct possibility of getting divorced at some point in time. But I already was married and divorced once, so I don't need that "life experience". The paperwork!  That's a good thing. You recognize that you don't want marriage and hopefully you'll never act contrary to your convictions. I'm not a complete atheist, more of an agnostic. My heart is still open. And of all the people I know, I'm one of the best at keeping commitments. That's because I don't make commitments I can't keep. Maybe when I'm 80, I'll get married!  | |
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evenstar3 said: Fauxie said: I think Mon has in mind a few, like filthy Patpong pole dancer, filthy Thai policewoman, filthy Thai Airways stewardess, and I'm considering filthy Thai immigration officer. I could get a bit out of control with that last one so I should warn you now. 
i need a police baton to be an immigration officer. and latex gloves, too.  'stamp my passport' must be a euphemism for something. We'll come up with one. | |
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ThreadBare said: heartbeatocean said: But do you need to get married to have all those things? Are we equating marriage with long term relationships and commitment? I am. Not saying it doesn't occur outside of that. But, for me, I plan on marrying the woman with whom I hope to have that. But gay couples can't marry in most places. Does that make their relationships any less serious? Just putting that out there. It sounds like you have some very strong role models, as well as a lot of family support that could nurture such a union. I have neither, so frankly, it's like crawling in the dark. For a marriage to succeed, I think it helps to have a clear vision of what you're going for, and to know that you really, really want that. It sounds like you have that, and that's lovely. You're very lucky. | |
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Fuck no! End of discussion.  This sig is just a fig of your imago-neigh-shun | |
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heartbeatocean said: ThreadBare said: I am. Not saying it doesn't occur outside of that. But, for me, I plan on marrying the woman with whom I hope to have that. But gay couples can't marry in most places. Does that make their relationships any less serious? Just putting that out there. It sounds like you have some very strong role models, as well as a lot of family support that could nurture such a union. I have neither, so frankly, it's like crawling in the dark. For a marriage to succeed, I think it helps to have a clear vision of what you're going for, and to know that you really, really want that. It sounds like you have that, and that's lovely. You're very lucky. I appreciate my family very, very much. Given the push for gay marriage, it's reasonable to presume gays feel the same push to get married forever to someone. I can't speak on it from a place of certainty, as I'm not gay. But, I know the feeling, as it pertains man to woman. | |
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ThreadBare said: heartbeatocean said: But gay couples can't marry in most places. Does that make their relationships any less serious? Just putting that out there. It sounds like you have some very strong role models, as well as a lot of family support that could nurture such a union. I have neither, so frankly, it's like crawling in the dark. For a marriage to succeed, I think it helps to have a clear vision of what you're going for, and to know that you really, really want that. It sounds like you have that, and that's lovely. You're very lucky. I appreciate my family very, very much. Given the push for gay marriage, it's reasonable to presume gays feel the same push to get married forever to someone. Some do. Some feel it's an equal rights issue, that gays should be entitled to the same legal rights and privileges as heterosexuals. Some still mock it as a mainstream institution. There are varying attitudes. I think the overall consensus is that gays feel they should at least have the choice to get married. I live in a city that functions as a groundbreaking epicenter for this issue, so the discussion is RIPE! | |
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Fauxie said: evenstar3 said:
i need a police baton to be an immigration officer. and latex gloves, too. 'stamp my passport' must be a euphemism for something. We'll come up with one.  | |
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No My Legacy
http://prince.org/msg/8/192731 | |
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Marriages in my family seem to be pretty solid, my parents were married for 46 years, till they passed away. My oldest sister has been married 32 years, my other sister has been married for 29 years, and I will have been married for 25 years in 2 weeks!! So, yes..yes I do believe in marriage. | |
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well, I do believe it exists, so... My Legacy
http://prince.org/msg/8/192731 | |
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Reply to 'Do you actually believe in marriage?'
Yes. | |
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I definitely believe in marriage  ...
I also believe that only about 5% of all adults should be married lol... | |
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People here brought examples of marriages that are working, but I find it hard to believe in marriage when it is not that unlikely that it might not last forever. I can never be sure what my life will be like in 40 years, so I don't want to promise something I actually cannot be a 100% sure. And neither can my partner be sure. IMO it's naive to believe to think you know now what you will feel like in the distant future. As soon as I might as well get divorced someday, what's the use of marriage anyway  .With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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Fauxie said: evenstar3 said: what sort of special outfits will i be sporting?  I think Mon has in mind a few, like filthy Patpong pole dancer, filthy Thai policewoman, filthy Thai Airways stewardess, and I'm considering filthy Thai immigration officer. I could get a bit out of control with that last one so I should warn you now. where the fuck's my invitation? I'm so in!!!!
This should be worth the airfare!!! | |
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Serious said: People here brought examples of marriages that are working, but I find it hard to believe in marriage when it is not that unlikely that it might not last forever. I can never be sure what my life will be like in 40 years, so I don't want to promise something I actually cannot be a 100% sure. And neither can my partner be sure. IMO it's naive to believe to think you know now what you will feel like in the distant future. As soon as I might as well get divorced someday, what's the use of marriage anyway
.Good question. I feel the same way. Who needs a contract for commitment, because in reality, that's all marriage is. This sig is just a fig of your imago-neigh-shun | |
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Marriage has its pros and cons  Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song 
Proud Wendy and Lisa Fancy Lesbian asskisser  | |
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Serious said: People here brought examples of marriages that are working, but I find it hard to believe in marriage when it is not that unlikely that it might not last forever. I can never be sure what my life will be like in 40 years, so I don't want to promise something I actually cannot be a 100% sure. And neither can my partner be sure. IMO it's naive to believe to think you know now what you will feel like in the distant future. As soon as I might as well get divorced someday, what's the use of marriage anyway
.But thats just the point. We don't know. There are a lot of things we can't see the future. If we based every thing in our lives on what we don't know in the future we could miss out on a lot imo and still no marriage is not for everybody but I think that when thinking or talking about this subject the dominant reasons should not be if you believe in it (I think its too broad and x's out someone good) but whether or not the person your seeing seriously is genuinely worthy and realistic about it. | |
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Absolutely, 100%, with every fiber in my being. There is nothing more satisfying than commitment.
Marriage should be open to anyone. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Absolutely, 100%, with every fiber in my being. There is nothing more satisfying than commitment.
Marriage should be open to anyone. We agree yet again. | |
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shanti0608 said: RodeoSchro said: Absolutely, 100%, with every fiber in my being. There is nothing more satisfying than commitment.
Marriage should be open to anyone. We agree yet again.  | |
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To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. | |
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RodeoSchro said: To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. Or perhaps people in the church are just really good at putting up a front and at pretending everything is great in their marriage so as to not be judged. I hear many religious folk are really into keeping up appearances. Not saying it’s that way, it was just a thought... [Edited 7/25/08 7:25am] | |
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FunkMistress said: ArielB said:  ARE YOU MOTHERFUCKERS GETTING MARRIED?? I've met him once. Does that answer your question?
I am going to see him again though....In about 12 hours from now. | |
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Fauxie said: FunkMistress said: ARE YOU MOTHERFUCKERS GETTING MARRIED?? YEAH! AND IS ARIEL GOING TO MAKE AN EFFORT WITH HIS CLOTHES OR AT LEAST TUCK HIS DAMN SHIRT IN FOR SUCH A MOMENTOUS OCCASION??? Hey! I was taught that t-shirts are not to be tucked in!  | |
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RodeoSchro said: To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. That doesn't work for an atheist.
Or those who don't believe in organized religion(s). |
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RodeoSchro said: To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
I totally disagree.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. Do you still love me Greg?  | |
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Stymie said: RodeoSchro said: To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
I totally disagree.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. Do you still love me Greg? He lost me there too but that is ok. I respect his opinion even if I do not fully agree with it.  | |
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RodeoSchro said: To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. I kinda agree with this. In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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Stymie said: RodeoSchro said: To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
I totally disagree.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. Do you still love me Greg? I disagree too. I think if you go to church you're more likely to find many seemingly happy couples. Doesn't mean they are. They're just good at pretending. | |
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Stymie said: RodeoSchro said: To those that don't know many loving, lasting marriages, try this - go to church.
I totally disagree.
You will find an inverse proportion of good-to-bad marriages among church-going couples than what you see outside the church. This is not a coincidence. Do you still love me Greg? Of course I do! I know there are churches populated with people that don't hold to the Christian ideals. | |
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