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PrintableJustErin said: BlueZebra said: the initial post isn't that clear but I think the complete thread puts it very straight that it isn't about specific cases on here but people, relationships and (if I can say it that way) the perceived shallowness and dishonesty of people regarding relationships in general. I think she has a valid point. please note how she used sex in the thread title to prevent a serious topic from plummeting into oblivion Thomas the tank-engine edit [Edited 7/24/08 7:06am] Sorry, but that is bullshit. People wouldn't even speak in general terms if it wasn't for specific situations. In this thread people are talking about the org specifically, therefore they are talking about specific orgers. Let's not try to white wash this as some great statement about the state of modern times. It's not. They take issue with how certain people on the org behave. And they can if they wish, they are well within their right to complain or comment...but ugh...how I hate it when people don't just address the people they have an issue with. were you here back in the day when there was a sex and romance forum? | |
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XxAxX said: JustErin said: Sorry, but that is bullshit. People wouldn't even speak in general terms if it wasn't for specific situations. In this thread people are talking about the org specifically, therefore they are talking about specific orgers. Let's not try to white wash this as some great statement about the state of modern times. It's not. They take issue with how certain people on the org behave. And they can if they wish, they are well within their right to complain or comment...but ugh...how I hate it when people don't just address the people they have an issue with. were you here back in the day when there was a sex and romance forum? No. | |
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JustErin said: XxAxX said: were you here back in the day when there was a sex and romance forum? No. okay. when interpreting this thread and the reason for it you should maybe keep in mind that, a few years back, there was a special forum devoted entirely to keeping sex/romance/genitalia threads apart from the GD forum. it only lasted for a few months, and then was discontinued. Muse said: Sex forum revisited
Is it just me or has his forum turned a good bit into the sex forums once again. | |
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XxAxX said:[quote] JustErin said: okay. when interpreting this thread and the reason for it you should maybe keep in mind that, a few years back, there was a special forum devoted entirely to keeping sex/romance/genitalia threads apart from the GD forum. it only lasted for a few months, and then was discontinued. Muse said: Sex forum revisited
Is it just me or has his forum turned a good bit into the sex forums once again. Ok, keeping that in mind. How does that change what I said? | |
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BlueZebra said: JustErin said: That's what I was thinking. Maybe it's not people's intentions but this conversation just comes off as a (not so successful) veiled attempt to insult certain people who are just doing what they want to do on here. And when that happens the people doing the complaining usually just come off as looking bitter. There are things on here that I find annoying and silly but I certainly don't feel the need to address it in a public way, particularly in such a general way when I obviously am talking about very specific situations or people. the initial post isn't that clear but I think the complete thread puts it very straight that it isn't about specific cases on here but people, relationships and (if I can say it that way) the perceived shallowness and dishonesty of people regarding relationships in general. I think she has a valid point. please note how she used sex in the thread title to prevent a serious topic from plummeting into oblivion Thomas the tank-engine edit [Edited 7/24/08 7:06am] Agreed. Knowing Muse and where she is coming from it's more to do with "if this is what's out there, why am I bothering?" because it's so different than what she'd look/is looking for in the relationship sense than being Judgy McJudgerson on each individual orger that has ever uttered a flirting word. Now - I can completely understand how it could be perceived that way too. But I don't see it as an effort to call out any one (or 12 dozen) orger(s). I think it's more at a point of exapseration. |
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JustErin said: BlueZebra said: the initial post isn't that clear but I think the complete thread puts it very straight that it isn't about specific cases on here but people, relationships and (if I can say it that way) the perceived shallowness and dishonesty of people regarding relationships in general. I think she has a valid point. please note how she used sex in the thread title to prevent a serious topic from plummeting into oblivion Thomas the tank-engine edit [Edited 7/24/08 7:06am] Sorry, but that is bullshit. People wouldn't even speak in general terms if it wasn't for specific situations. In this thread people are talking about the org specifically, therefore they are talking about specific orgers. Let's not try to white wash this as some great statement about the state of modern times. It's not. They take issue with how certain people on the org behave. And they can if they wish, they are well within their right to complain or comment...but ugh...how I hate it when people don't just address the people they have an issue with. It's not Yes, I resolve any issues/misunderstandings I have through orgnotes, thank you very much. You're thinking it's about you, isn't it you little attention whore ? | |
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JustErin said: XxAxX said: Ok, keeping that in mind. How does that change what I said? you said: Maybe it's not people's intentions but this conversation just comes off as a (not so successful) veiled attempt to insult certain people who are just doing what they want to do on here.
. . . Sorry, but that is bullshit. People wouldn't even speak in general terms if it wasn't for specific situations. In this thread people are talking about the org specifically, therefore they are talking about specific orgers. Let's not try to white wash this as some great statement about the state of modern times. It's not. They take issue with how certain people on the org behave. And they can if they wish, they are well within their right to complain or comment...but ugh...how I hate it when people don't just address the people they have an issue with. if you look at the big picture you might see the thread is not an attack on specific orgers. | |
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XxAxX said:[quote] JustErin said: you said: Maybe it's not people's intentions but this conversation just comes off as a (not so successful) veiled attempt to insult certain people who are just doing what they want to do on here.
. . . Sorry, but that is bullshit. People wouldn't even speak in general terms if it wasn't for specific situations. In this thread people are talking about the org specifically, therefore they are talking about specific orgers. Let's not try to white wash this as some great statement about the state of modern times. It's not. They take issue with how certain people on the org behave. And they can if they wish, they are well within their right to complain or comment...but ugh...how I hate it when people don't just address the people they have an issue with. if you look at the big picture you might see the thread is not an attack on specific orgers. Oh well, but it is.....only you would never know.... it's in the context of Muse's posts..... Sorry, Karen.....you know it, I do, and so do many others.....  | |
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Sorry, as I said. I didn't buy the whole it's not about anyone specific the minute I read the posts on here. Not for one second did I ever think it was really a statement about 'if this is how the real world is, why should I even bother'. It came off as a cleverly crafted (or maybe not) way of insulting certain orgers.
And then it was confirmed in orgnote that I was right. This is about specific people on here. And I am not just talking about the initial post. Honesty was mentioned in this thread...so ya, I'm just being honest in my reply as well. | |
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JustErin said: Sorry, as I said. I didn't buy the whole it's not about anyone specific the minute I read the posts on here. Not for one second did I ever think it was really a statement about 'if this is how the real world is, why should I even bother'. It came off as a cleverly crafted (or maybe not) way of insulting certain orgers.
And then it was confirmed in orgnote that I was right. This is about specific people on here. And I am not just talking about the initial post. Honesty was mentioned in this thread...so ya, I'm just being honest in my reply as well. You talked to Karen in orgnote and she said she meant to call out people? Certainly if you're talking in generals about the org you could break it down into specific examples which would undoubtedly name the orgers to make the examples specific. I still don't think that was the point of the thread. But whatever, we can all see what we want to see. |
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CarrieMpls said: JustErin said: Sorry, as I said. I didn't buy the whole it's not about anyone specific the minute I read the posts on here. Not for one second did I ever think it was really a statement about 'if this is how the real world is, why should I even bother'. It came off as a cleverly crafted (or maybe not) way of insulting certain orgers.
And then it was confirmed in orgnote that I was right. This is about specific people on here. And I am not just talking about the initial post. Honesty was mentioned in this thread...so ya, I'm just being honest in my reply as well. You talked to Karen in orgnote and she said she meant to call out people? Certainly if you're talking in generals about the org you could break it down into specific examples which would undoubtedly name the orgers to make the examples specific. I still don't think that was the point of the thread. But whatever, we can all see what we want to see. No, I didn't talk to her about it. I was told by abierman. That's fine if people don't think that it's intent was to call out certain people, but I do. And again, I am not just talking about muse here. I am also talking about the other orgers who said similar things. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: It does, the org isn't some special entity.... it represents an honest cross section of the planet. Ive met hundreds of orgers thus its not some fake cyber space. I can add that my clientele equally cross references. I hear folks compare states and countries but when it comes down to it, its a human condition...
I really want to know, is anyone happy? I am. Marriage is not for sissies - you have to work at it. For men, that means one thing - saying you are sorry. Whenever your wife gets mad, say you're sorry. That is the key to happiness in a marriage. Also, I don't discuss our sex life anywhere, anonymously or not. That's just not a subject open for discussion. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: Is it just me or has his forum turned a good bit into the sex forums once again.
Not that I am by any stance innocent but lately I see a lot of sex threads. One wonders, are individuals unhappy in their selected environment? Then, is this just a placebo and or a band-aid on a gash? I hate my own frank blatant honest inquires at times but they are just that. It disturbs me as a single female to see so many marrieds pandering themselves in this joint. It disgusts me in fact. Do their mates know they are working the cheap? I do get that if it is occurring then perhaps it is merely a sign of things to come and something of an inability to be ones self.I see gorgeous woman demean those that perhaps aren't and I see pathetic pandering to anyone who will toss a bone. I suppose my real question is, Why should I reinvest myself in a relationship when most all my eye beholds is travesty. I realize this thread wont win be friends or influence others.... but its honest ... you know what karen, I feel you. I understand that you have certain people in mind, and as I read posts I find myself wondering about the state of certain relationships/marriages etc.. and yes I know people are having fun and I know that for some this is just an outlet to express themselves and to flirt, but on the other hand I see that real and true friendships, relationships and marriages happen as a result of being on this web site. I get your confusion, I undestand what you mean when you say as a single person "what's the point?" my answer to you is, you are the point, what you bring to a relationship, who you are, your standards, expectations, the person you are. You are who you are and the way you find that other person is by retaining all of your integrity. You would not flirt on a web site if you were married? ok so don't get involved with anyone who does. Most importantly, I know these people are your friends, but you are not them and they are not you. Uphold your standards and let them have theirs. Be true to you and don't let the actions of other's in their relationships dictate what you expect in yours.  
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BlueZebra said: It's not I think it was meant as both, but is primarily meant as a public "venting" on specific orger(s). Here's one clue that it was not only about the world of relationships in general: "I see gorgeous woman demean those that perhaps aren't". What, exactly, does that have to do with wondering if she should "reinvest" herself into a relationship? Unless it's the convoluted logic that being in a relationship keeps one from "being one' self", thus leading to the gorgeous to demean those who "perhaps aren't"...which I don't see or buy. If you want my honest opinion, one of the problems I see around here are people thinking they know WAY too much about others based solely on what's posted. It's been happening since this place was first introduced over 6 years ago. It's one thing to have some generic viewpoints about other people when they're kept to just being viewpoints that aren't really expressed. It's a HUGELY different thing, though, to feel a need to actually TELL the other person what you think of them or their actions, as if no dialogue or discussion about your perceptions was necessary first. To do so is to believe your own perception is carved-in-stone fact...and that's a rather arrogant stance to take. That usually points to something within the person giving their judgements moreso than the person they're judging. Trust me, I've had a boatload of opinions about people on this site, but you'd never know...because I would never feel I had the moral authority to tell them of my views on them. I'm well aware that I live in a glass house. Only if I knew the person extremely intimately for a long period of time would I offer up my views, and even then I would only do it in private. I wouldn't use the public threads to let them know how I feel. This topic would have had a better discussion if the specific issues Muse seems to have with specific Orgers had been left off the table. ... [Edited 7/24/08 8:40am] | |
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JustErin said: CarrieMpls said: You talked to Karen in orgnote and she said she meant to call out people? Certainly if you're talking in generals about the org you could break it down into specific examples which would undoubtedly name the orgers to make the examples specific. I still don't think that was the point of the thread. But whatever, we can all see what we want to see. No, I didn't talk to her about it. I was told by abierman. That's fine if people don't think that it's intent was to call out certain people, but I do. And again, I am not just talking about muse here. I am also talking about the other orgers who said similar things. Then you're still talking about perceptions, not the author's intent. |
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Byron said: BlueZebra said: It's not I think it was meant as both, but is primarily meant as a public "venting" on specific orger(s). Here's one clue that it was not only about the world of relationships in general: "I see gorgeous woman demean those that perhaps aren't". What, exactly, does that have to do with wondering if she should "reinvest" herself into a relationship? Unless it's the convoluted logic that being in a relationship keeps one from "being one' self", thus leading to the gorgeous to demean those who "perhaps aren't"...which I don't see or buy. If you want my honest opinion, one of the problems I see around here are people thinking they know WAY too much about others based solely on what's posted. It's been happening since this place was first introduced over 6 years ago. It's one thing to have some generic viewpoints about other people when they're kept to just being viewpoints that aren't really expressed. It's a HUGELY different thing, though, to feel a need to actually TELL the other person what you think of them or their actions, as if no dialogue or discussion about your perceptions was necessary first. To do so is to believe your own perception is carved-in-stone fact...and that's a rather arrogant stance to take. That usually points to something within the person giving their judgements moreso than the person they're judging. Trust me, I've had a boatload of opinions about people on this site, but you'd never know...because I would never feel I had the moral authority to tell them of my views on them. I'm well aware that I live in a glass house. Only if I knew the person extremely intimately for a long period of time would I offer up my views, and even then I would only do it in private. I wouldn't use the public threads to let them know how I feel. This topic would have had a better discussion if the specific issues Muse seems to have with specific Orgers had been left off the table. ... [Edited 7/24/08 8:40am] Yup. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: Fauxie said: 'Pandering' is a cute sounding word.
 Cute isn't attributed to me often... I'll run with it! I think it's because it sounds like cute little baby Panda Bears.  MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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CarrieMpls said: JustErin said: No, I didn't talk to her about it. I was told by abierman. That's fine if people don't think that it's intent was to call out certain people, but I do. And again, I am not just talking about muse here. I am also talking about the other orgers who said similar things. Then you're still talking about perceptions, not the author's intent. Ok. | |
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So Karen made a thread instead of orgnoting people?
So what? I don't know what specific situations you guys are talking about, and I don't care to know. It's not like she called anyone's personal business out. Whatever is going on with certain people, it inspired Muse to create a thread to discuss what she wanted to discuss. What's the big fuckin deal? The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: So Karen made a thread instead of orgnoting people?
So what? I don't know what specific situations you guys are talking about, and I don't care to know. It's not like she called anyone's personal business out. Whatever is going on with certain people, it inspired Muse to create a thread to discuss what she wanted to discuss. What's the big fuckin deal? Who said it was a big deal?
People are simply responding with their opinions on what's being said in here. Just like any thread. Not sure why this one would get a 'so what?' anymore than any other thread. We can say 'so what' to all the threads on here. | |
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FunkMistress said: So Karen made a thread instead of orgnoting people?
So what? I don't know what specific situations you guys are talking about, and I don't care to know. It's not like she called anyone's personal business out. Whatever is going on with certain people, it inspired Muse to create a thread to discuss what she wanted to discuss. What's the big fuckin deal? Amen. MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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JustErin said: FunkMistress said: So Karen made a thread instead of orgnoting people?
So what? I don't know what specific situations you guys are talking about, and I don't care to know. It's not like she called anyone's personal business out. Whatever is going on with certain people, it inspired Muse to create a thread to discuss what she wanted to discuss. What's the big fuckin deal? Who said it was a big deal?
People are simply responding with their opinions on what's being said in here. Just like any thread. Not sure why this one would get a 'so what?' anymore than any other thread. We can say 'so what' to all the threads on here. Her intentions behind creating the thread are getting a lot of attention and speculation, and I'm wondering what the damn point is. The Normal Whores Club | |
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FunkMistress said: So Karen made a thread instead of orgnoting people?
So what? I don't know what specific situations you guys are talking about, and I don't care to know. It's not like she called anyone's personal business out. Whatever is going on with certain people, it inspired Muse to create a thread to discuss what she wanted to discuss. What's the big fuckin deal? For me at least, it wasn't just this thread. It was all the things I saw her do and say leading up to this thread. I can't take it out of that context. | |
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FunkMistress said: JustErin said: Who said it was a big deal?
People are simply responding with their opinions on what's being said in here. Just like any thread. Not sure why this one would get a 'so what?' anymore than any other thread. We can say 'so what' to all the threads on here. Her intentions behind creating the thread are getting a lot of attention and speculation, and I'm wondering what the damn point is. And how is this different than any other thread on here? People talk about intentions behind why people make threads all the time. | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: Muse2NOPharaoh said: Cute isn't attributed to me often... I'll run with it! I think it's because it sounds like cute little baby Panda Bears. :MUSHY: panda bears. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: RenHoek said: In answer to your question, I am happy. Happily married and happy to be part of the org. You've all seen the pictures... However, I do get a real kick out of flirting with the ladies of the org and I do it because it's fun and risque... Would my wife approve? Probably not but I know she understands that people have feelings and we enjoy acting on them. We've wrestled with many topics during our 9 year marriage and one of them that stood out recently was the issue of monogamy. We talked about this at length and agreed that it may not be for everyone especially when you add the pressures that modern society is capable of adding. The internet alone is responsible for the most astounding shift in thinking in my brief life! I believe that in order for one to be happy one must first master the ability to communicate with one another. Understand the limits and boundaries of your relationship before you choose to act on your thoughts or emotions. I have plenty more to say about all this but not enough time right now. One thing is for certain though, I will never stop posting and answering erotic or sexual threads. I will never stop writing with flirtatious emoticons attached and I will never give up trying to get into JustErin, Monigram, Amorbella, ZombieKitten, Ocean, and all you others "virtual" panties. I'm just a freak like that... forgive me... *can of worms opened, prepare to be flamed, this won't hurt a bit* You won't see flames from me. If the wife isn't privy and or accepting, this is an issue that conflicts with communication. ( you were being brief so I get that your thoughts may have been curtailed) I wonder if those mentioned want to be honestly known as just "panties" They aren't paid net flicks after all.... Approve was definitely the wrong choice of wording there... I wasn't being curtailed it was just late and I just finished doing the brakes on our Volvo(brake cleaner, it's a powerful drug...) She knows that I chat and flirt and goof off with people online just as she does with her German friends. We get equal time to do so. In no way did I refer to any of the ladies as "panties", that was a sarcastic reference to what I do sometimes. I certainly don't think I've crossed any lines and if I have, then why has no one orgnoted or brought it up? Lastly, I can't believe where this thread has gone in a mere 10hrs. I just wanted to be honest with you with no malice intended to any one on the org. I love you guys, you're all the bee knees as far as I'm concerned. A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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FunkMistress said: I just wanted to talk about tits, damn!
And I was going to post mine.... MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: FunkMistress said: I just wanted to talk about tits, damn!
And I was going to post mine.... Why stop yourself? Post 'em and be proud! | |
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abierman said: Muse2NOPharaoh said: Is it just me or has his forum turned a good bit into the sex forums once again.
Not that I am by any stance innocent but lately I see a lot of sex threads. One wonders, are individuals unhappy in their selected environment? Then, is this just a placebo and or a band-aid on a gash? I hate my own frank blatant honest inquires at times but they are just that. It disturbs me as a single female to see so many marrieds pandering themselves in this joint. It disgusts me in fact. Do their mates know they are working the cheap? I do get that if it is occurring then perhaps it is merely a sign of things to come and something of an inability to be ones self.I see gorgeous woman demean those that perhaps aren't and I see pathetic pandering to anyone who will toss a bone. I suppose my real question is, Why should I reinvest myself in a relationship when most all my eye beholds is travesty. I realize this thread wont win be friends or influence others.... but its honest ... Dear Muse/Karen, I really think that each should hold responsibility for theirselves and that it is not really of anyone's (including yours) concern how their private situation is at home. You say that you're disgusted about this, and we have talked about it in person.....I belief that the word 'disgust' is a little too heavy, since (again) you or me don't have a clue of what situation another person is in. I interact with married women here on the org, heck I even flirt with some of them. But you will have to take all with a grain of salt. And.....what about the gay-flirting that is going on? I.e. the shamelessly flirtations of Dan towards Anxiety.....we all know Anx is in a serious relationship with another orger, he even relocated. I mean, I don't hear you about that! You talk about 'working the cheap'.....isn't that a bit harsh? And who are you to judge? This place is not to be taken seriously based on just what you see & read on the threads only, and you know that very well (like no other!). So please, I kindly ask you to refrain from passing judgement on others in issues that you are not part of, I hope you understand. Why do I respond to this thread? Because I have seen you reacting to individuals in a rather inappropriate manor where I'd wish you had not. With maybe a few exceptions, this site is mainly visited by adults and I assume each can hold their own responsibility for their actions on here. With all the respect, please don't see this as an 'attack' on you, it is not.....I just wanted to get this off of my chest! First of all, I wouldn't call what you do flirting. More like stalking, preying, and frightening! Secondly, the love that Anx and I share is my our own business! Please respect that undying, profound, unconditional, love that we have and mention it no more! | |
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