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PrintableThreadBare said: SCNDLS said: I swear, the WHOLE time I watched Dark Knight I was IN his mouth like  "Is that a lisp I'm hearing????" But then it wouldn't be there in another scene. As if he's obviously aware of it and tries to eliminate it but it drops back in sometimes. Po' thing.  
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SCNDLS said: AlexdeParis said: You realize the source material has been published consistently for the past 45+ years, right? Really??? I'm talking about all these big screen adaptations. Haven't all of these movies already been brought to the silver screen in recent memory?And I'm talking about the fact that these characters have 45+ years of stories that could be made into movies. These are enduring, well-liked characters with thousands of stories that haven't been on the big screen yet... stories that include many different visions or takes from a variety of creators. In other words, there's a lot still to mine. I'd love to see my favorite team, The New Mutants, get a movie (although I won't hold my breath). And you need to see Newsies! [Edited 7/21/08 21:16pm] "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: SCNDLS said: Really??? I'm talking about all these big screen adaptations. Haven't all of these movies already been brought to the silver screen in recent memory?And I'm talking about the fact that these characters have 45+ years of stories that could be made into movies. These are enduring, well-liked characters with thousands of stories that haven't been on the big screen yet... stories that include many different visions or takes from a variety of creators. In other words, there's a lot still to mine. I'd love to see my favorite team, The New Mutants, get a movie (although I won't hold my breath). And you need to see Newsies!
[Edited 7/21/08 21:16pm] Okay, I get the wealth of stories to mine but is that happening though? I'm not a comic book fan so I'm not familiar with the various storylines. So tell me, is the way Batman became Batman in Dark Knight taken from one of the comics? That part was original enough, but the story is ALWAYS gonna start the same with Bruce being a loner cuz he witnessed his parents murder. That's already been covered so why not just pick up the story somewhere else? 
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SCNDLS said: AlexdeParis said: And I'm talking about the fact that these characters have 45+ years of stories that could be made into movies. These are enduring, well-liked characters with thousands of stories that haven't been on the big screen yet... stories that include many different visions or takes from a variety of creators. In other words, there's a lot still to mine. I'd love to see my favorite team, The New Mutants, get a movie (although I won't hold my breath). And you need to see Newsies!
[Edited 7/21/08 21:16pm] Okay, I get the wealth of stories to mine but is that happening though? I'm not a comic book fan so I'm not familiar with the various storylines. So tell me, is the way Batman became Batman in Dark Knight taken from one of the comics? That part was original enough, but the story is ALWAYS gonna start the same with Bruce being a loner cuz he witnessed his parents murder. That's already been covered so why not just pick up the story somewhere else? But they didn't retell Batman's origin in the movie. There have only been two movie versions of that story: the one in Batman and the one in Batman Begins. If you knew how often comic-book origin stories are retold, remixed, and redone, well... Are you talking about the musical Newsies? Why I gotta see that?
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(HUGE COMIC DORK ALERT)
First of all, needless to say i LOVED THE SHIT out of this movie. I'm probably going to go see it again this week. It's just such a freaking tragedy that Heath won't be around to repeat his performance as The Joker. They could have just done a couple more Batman vs. Joker movies and made a freaking mint. As far as where to go next, i obviously trust Nolan's vision and whoever he'd decide to go with would be fine with me. I know that he's NEVER going to turn the "sidekick corner" as there's no way for that to not be cheesy. So thank god we don't ever have to worry about Robin or Batgirl popping up at some point. Villain wise, me and a friend of mine had a healthy discussion about whether or not Two-Face is actually DEAD. Bats survived the fall, and him and Gordon discussed how to preserve the memory of the man he was and not the one he became. SO, he COULD be alive and tucked away at Arkham. So there's that. You still have the Scarecrow running around loose. And Ra's al Ghul's whole character is based on him resurrecting himself, so he's always available for a comeback. I don't think there's a dark way to do the Riddler. Don't want to see it. Ditto with Killer Croc. Don't wanna see it. Don't want to see Bane either. No Poison Ivy. And then there's Catwoman. My brain says stay away from it. My heart says if cast properly and made REALLY REALLY dark, it could work. Maybe. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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ButterscotchPimp said: As far as where to go next, i obviously trust Nolan's vision and whoever he'd decide to go with would be fine with me. I know that he's NEVER going to turn the "sidekick corner" as there's no way for that to not be cheesy. So thank god we don't ever have to worry about Robin or Batgirl popping up at some point.
He should try. I'm also a huge comic book dork, and, like it or not, Batman can't go too long without Robin. To imply otherwise is to go against the crux of the character. Villain wise, me and a friend of mine had a healthy discussion about whether or not Two-Face is actually DEAD. Bats survived the fall, and him and Gordon discussed how to preserve the memory of the man he was and not the one he became. SO, he COULD be alive and tucked away at Arkham. So there's that.
Other than the Batman voice, this is the thing I hated most about this movie. They effectively removed my favorite Batman villain from consideration. Even if Two-Face is alive, they can't use him without tearing down the status quo they just created. Nolan really backed himself into a corner with that one. You still have the Scarecrow running around loose. And Ra's al Ghul's whole character is based on him resurrecting himself, so he's always available for a comeback.
The Scarecrow was easily the best part of the last movie for me, but I don't want to see him again. Ra's al Ghul could be done a lot better, but I don't think it's worth it. I don't think there's a dark way to do the Riddler. Don't want to see it.
Ditto with Killer Croc. Don't wanna see it. Don't want to see Bane either. No Poison Ivy. And then there's Catwoman. My brain says stay away from it. My heart says if cast properly and made REALLY REALLY dark, it could work. Maybe. Like I said, there's really nowhere they can go next. They shouldn't have used Two-Face's "death" like that. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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i am about to reveal myself as a git: i dislike ALL of the batman movies except for Batman: the beginning.
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XxAxX said: i am about to reveal myself as a git: i dislike ALL of the batman movies except for Batman: the beginning.
i might go see Dark Knight, but also might not. OMG...you need to see it!! I saw it on opening night at the IMAX - it's worthy of that huge screen - if there is an IMAX near you check it out! | |
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AlexdeParis said: ButterscotchPimp said: As far as where to go next, i obviously trust Nolan's vision and whoever he'd decide to go with would be fine with me. I know that he's NEVER going to turn the "sidekick corner" as there's no way for that to not be cheesy. So thank god we don't ever have to worry about Robin or Batgirl popping up at some point.
He should try. I'm also a huge comic book dork, and, like it or not, Batman can't go too long without Robin. To imply otherwise is to go against the crux of the character.
The Scarecrow was easily the best part of the last movie for me, but I don't want to see him again. Ra's al Ghul could be done a lot better, but I don't think it's worth it. I don't think there's a dark way to do the Riddler. Don't want to see it.
Ditto with Killer Croc. Don't wanna see it. Don't want to see Bane either. No Poison Ivy. And then there's Catwoman. My brain says stay away from it. My heart says if cast properly and made REALLY REALLY dark, it could work. Maybe. Like I said, there's really nowhere they can go next. They shouldn't have used Two-Face's "death" like that. I couldn't disagree more. The point of "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" is they're starting the Batman series (movie-wise) OVER. Batman was Batman for YEARS supposedly before he decided that running around with kids would be a good idea. And where they've already shown that Barbara Gordon is a really, really young kid at this moment in movie-time, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to "grow her up". And she's OLDER than Dick Grayson would be. So i don't think they have to turn sidekick corner to make good movies. It's pretty much the same logic that the Smallville creators started out with. There's a whole story to be told before they become "legends". I don't see how Two-Face's death is some kind of "corner" that they wrote themselves into. They eulogized the man that he was, and since the public didn't have common knowledge of what happened to him, Two-Face just ends up being another freak (all be it, one that just happens to look like half of Harvey Dent). [Edited 7/22/08 7:40am] http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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applekisses said: XxAxX said: i am about to reveal myself as a git: i dislike ALL of the batman movies except for Batman: the beginning.
i might go see Dark Knight, but also might not. OMG...you need to see it!! I saw it on opening night at the IMAX - it's worthy of that huge screen - if there is an IMAX near you check it out! yeah, but after having made an effort to see the other hot messes that have been spun off the Batman series..... hmmm. i might, does Dark Knight feature more of those hallmark 'Batman' scenes? by this i mean those interminably long, unlit/dark scenes that are set in one place - i.e. a set?? [Edited 7/22/08 7:42am] | |
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XxAxX said: applekisses said: OMG...you need to see it!! I saw it on opening night at the IMAX - it's worthy of that huge screen - if there is an IMAX near you check it out! yeah, but after having made an effort to see the other hot messes that have been spun off the Batman series..... hmmm. i might, does Dark Knight feature more of those hallmark 'Batman' scenes? by this i mean those interminably long, unlit/dark scenes that are set in one place - i.e. a set?? [Edited 7/22/08 7:42am] mmm...not so much. The editing doesn't allow for it. It's very quick editing and subtle storytelling. You'll love it. | |
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applekisses said: XxAxX said: yeah, but after having made an effort to see the other hot messes that have been spun off the Batman series..... hmmm. i might, does Dark Knight feature more of those hallmark 'Batman' scenes? by this i mean those interminably long, unlit/dark scenes that are set in one place - i.e. a set?? [Edited 7/22/08 7:42am] mmm...not so much. The editing doesn't allow for it. It's very quick editing and subtle storytelling. You'll love it. okay. maybe ought to give it a chance. thanks! | |
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ThreadBare said: butterfli25 said: colin ferrell (sp) is twisted enough I'd love to see Crispin Glover cast as the Riddler. Wrong!!! THIS actor should be THE Riddler: Sir Anthony Hopkins 
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AlexdeParis said: But they didn't retell Batman's origin in the movie. There have only been two movie versions of that story: the one in Batman and the one in Batman Begins. If you knew how often comic-book origin stories are retold, remixed, and redone, well... Didn't you say you hadn't seen Christian Bale in anything before? He's great in that movie.
[Edited 7/22/08 6:05am] Okay, I'm a complete dork,  I've been calling it Dark Knight but I meant Batman Begins. Yeah, they retold his about origins but did they have to do that again? So is how he got his physical training with monks in the mountains actually taken from the comic?
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TonyVanDam said: ThreadBare said: I'd love to see Crispin Glover cast as the Riddler. Wrong!!! THIS actor should be THE Riddler: Sir Anthony Hopkins
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ButterscotchPimp said: I couldn't disagree more. The point of "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" is they're starting the Batman series (movie-wise) OVER. Batman was Batman for YEARS supposedly before he decided that running around with kids would be a good idea. And where they've already shown that Barbara Gordon is a really, really young kid at this moment in movie-time, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to "grow her up". And she's OLDER than Dick Grayson would be. So i don't think they have to turn sidekick corner to make good movies. It's pretty much the same logic that the Smallville creators started out with. There's a whole story to be told before they become "legends".
Batman needs Robin. That's just the way it is. Outside of the Big Three (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman), Robin is probably the most iconic DC hero there is (even ahead of my favorites, Green Lantern and Flash). I don't see how Two-Face's death is some kind of "corner" that they wrote themselves into. They eulogized the man that he was, and since the public didn't have common knowledge of what happened to him, Two-Face just ends up being another freak (all be it, one that just happens to look like half of Harvey Dent).
 You honestly don't think people would realize Two-Face is Harvey Dent? That's hilarious!"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: ButterscotchPimp said: I couldn't disagree more. The point of "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" is they're starting the Batman series (movie-wise) OVER. Batman was Batman for YEARS supposedly before he decided that running around with kids would be a good idea. And where they've already shown that Barbara Gordon is a really, really young kid at this moment in movie-time, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to "grow her up". And she's OLDER than Dick Grayson would be. So i don't think they have to turn sidekick corner to make good movies. It's pretty much the same logic that the Smallville creators started out with. There's a whole story to be told before they become "legends".
Batman needs Robin. That's just the way it is. Outside of the Big Three (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman), Robin is probably the most iconic DC hero there is (even ahead of my favorites, Green Lantern and Flash). I don't see how Two-Face's death is some kind of "corner" that they wrote themselves into. They eulogized the man that he was, and since the public didn't have common knowledge of what happened to him, Two-Face just ends up being another freak (all be it, one that just happens to look like half of Harvey Dent).
You honestly don't think people would realize Two-Face is Harvey Dent? That's hilarious!Batman EVENTUALLY needs Robin. Doesn't mean they have to make movies about it. And they certainly don't need to do them NOW. And you mean in the SAME WAY that NO ONE notices that Clark Kent is Superman with glasses on? Yeah, i think they could get away with it! http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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SCNDLS said: AlexdeParis said: But they didn't retell Batman's origin in the movie. There have only been two movie versions of that story: the one in Batman and the one in Batman Begins. If you knew how often comic-book origin stories are retold, remixed, and redone, well... Didn't you say you hadn't seen Christian Bale in anything before? He's great in that movie.
[Edited 7/22/08 6:05am] Okay, I'm a complete dork, I've been calling it Dark Knight but I meant Batman Begins. Yeah, they retold his about origins but did they have to do that again? So is how he got his physical training with monks in the mountains actually taken from the comic?Yes, they had to do it again to establish the status quo for the Nolan version of Batman. I thought the beginning of that movie was tediously boring, but the setup was necessary (although way too long). They took bits and pieces of Batman origin stories. He was in Newsies???? Now see, even more proof that I can't take him seriously as Batman. He was good in Newsies, dammit! I also remember him getting pretty good reviews in American Psycho, but I still haven't seen that. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] SCNDLS said: Yes, they had to do it again to establish the status quo for the Nolan version of Batman. I thought the beginning of that movie was tediously boring, but the setup was necessary (although way too long). They took bits and pieces of Batman origin stories. He was in Newsies???? Now see, even more proof that I can't take him seriously as Batman. He was good in Newsies, dammit! I also remember him getting pretty good reviews in American Psycho, but I still haven't seen that. THAT's where I know him from. Yes, he was crazier than a mutha in American Psycho. | |
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ButterscotchPimp said: AlexdeParis said: You honestly don't think people would realize Two-Face is Harvey Dent? That's hilarious!Batman EVENTUALLY needs Robin. Doesn't mean they have to make movies about it. And they certainly don't need to do them NOW. Well, they need to if they want to keep my interest. With the dilemma they're in for the next villain, the loss of Heath Ledger as the Joker, and my distaste for Christian Bale in the role, I think they desperately need Robin. And you mean in the SAME WAY that NO ONE notices that Clark Kent is Superman with glasses on? Yeah, i think they could get away with it!
So many people seem to be praising Nolan to high heaven with this "gritty" and "realistic" vision of Batman. Having Two-Face show up and no one putting two and two together (pun only slightly intended) flies in the face of that. He can't have it both ways. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: ButterscotchPimp said: I couldn't disagree more. The point of "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight" is they're starting the Batman series (movie-wise) OVER. Batman was Batman for YEARS supposedly before he decided that running around with kids would be a good idea. And where they've already shown that Barbara Gordon is a really, really young kid at this moment in movie-time, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to "grow her up". And she's OLDER than Dick Grayson would be. So i don't think they have to turn sidekick corner to make good movies. It's pretty much the same logic that the Smallville creators started out with. There's a whole story to be told before they become "legends".
Batman needs Robin. That's just the way it is. Outside of the Big Three (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman), Robin is probably the most iconic DC hero there is (even ahead of my favorites, Green Lantern and Flash). I don't see how Two-Face's death is some kind of "corner" that they wrote themselves into. They eulogized the man that he was, and since the public didn't have common knowledge of what happened to him, Two-Face just ends up being another freak (all be it, one that just happens to look like half of Harvey Dent).
You honestly don't think people would realize Two-Face is Harvey Dent? That's hilarious!So is Harvey Dent black in the comics? | |
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SCNDLS said: AlexdeParis said: You honestly don't think people would realize Two-Face is Harvey Dent? That's hilarious!So is Harvey Dent black in the comics? No, just in Batman. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: SCNDLS said: So is Harvey Dent black in the comics? No, just in Batman. Ohhhh, so Tim Burton was just looking out for Billy Dee? | |
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SCNDLS said: AlexdeParis said: No, just in Batman. Ohhhh, so Tim Burton was just looking out for Billy Dee? Word is he got a lifetime supply of Colt 45. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] ButterscotchPimp said: Well, they need to if they want to keep my interest. With the dilemma they're in for the next villain, the loss of Heath Ledger as the Joker, and my distaste for Christian Bale in the role, I think they desperately need Robin. And you mean in the SAME WAY that NO ONE notices that Clark Kent is Superman with glasses on? Yeah, i think they could get away with it!
So many people seem to be praising Nolan to high heaven with this "gritty" and "realistic" vision of Batman. Having Two-Face show up and no one putting two and two together (pun only slightly intended) flies in the face of that. He can't have it both ways. Well again, we can agree to disagree. I don't EVER want to see Robin or Batgirl in the movies again. It's cheesy as all hell and there's just some things that are in comics that don't translate well to the big screen and that's one of them. They put Robin in a movie and this whole thing is right back where it was after the last set of movies. DEAD. http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] ButterscotchPimp said: Well, they need to if they want to keep my interest. With the dilemma they're in for the next villain, the loss of Heath Ledger as the Joker, and my distaste for Christian Bale in the role, I think they desperately need Robin. And you mean in the SAME WAY that NO ONE notices that Clark Kent is Superman with glasses on? Yeah, i think they could get away with it!
So many people seem to be praising Nolan to high heaven with this "gritty" and "realistic" vision of Batman. Having Two-Face show up and no one putting two and two together (pun only slightly intended) flies in the face of that. He can't have it both ways. Wait an f-ing minute, "distaste for Christian Bale in the role"????? What? What the hell is wrong with Bale's performance as the Caped Crusader? Him and Nolan put this franchise back on the map after it was driven off of a proverbial cliff! Who'd be better? [Edited 7/22/08 9:26am] http://www.facebook.com/p...111?ref=ts
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AlexdeParis said: SCNDLS said: Ohhhh, so Tim Burton was just looking out for Billy Dee? Word is he got a lifetime supply of Colt 45.  Not.right.  That's Lando Calrisian you talkin' 'bout! | |
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I'm excited for Dark Knight, altho I have to agree with Anx that Batman Begins was pretty boring.
But what do I know, my fave is Batman Returns [Edited 7/22/08 9:38am] | |
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