Would that make him a giant sinner since he was technically Jewish?

Jesus was an open-minded kinda guy. He liked bacon.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH..!!! i didnt need to read all of the thread just the intro was beautiful..!!!

What are you up to nine?Where is this headed?

Of course. I bet that pork-chop gnawing bastard is in Hell RIGHT NOW!

dietary restrictions and religon..??


hmmm

sounds fishy

Let's not even mention the fact that the likely reason pork was deemed an evil unclean meat is because in the old days people were likely to get sick if the pork wasn't cooked all the way so *poof* someone makes up a religious rule that says the reason you get sick is because it's evil.

Now that we have science to back things up, we know that any kind of illness steming from pork can be avoided by fully cooking the meat.

I would like someone who believes in the evil nature of swine to explain WHY they believe this. I know the Bible mentions it but is there any other reason? Pigs are cute and so tasty too

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I didn't even know the Bible said it was evil.


This is gonna be a long thread.

Leviticus 11 - King James (1611)
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;

15 Every raven after his kind;

16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,

18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,

19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;

22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.

23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

24 And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall be unclean until the even.

25 And whosoever beareth ought of the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.

26 The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean.

27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.

28 And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.

29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,

30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.

31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.

32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.

33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.

34 Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.

35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean and shall be unclean unto you.

36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean.

37 And if any part of their carcase fall upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it shall be clean.

38 But if any water be put upon the seed, and any part of their carcase fall thereon, it shall be unclean unto you.

39 And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcase thereof shall be unclean until the even.

40 And he that eateth of the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.

41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.

44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:

47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.


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Supernova said:

Leviticus 11:7 - And the swine, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.

Deuteronomy 14:8 - And the swine, because it parts the hoof but does not chew the cud, is unclean for you. Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch.

Proverbs 11:22 - Like a gold ring in a swine's snout is a beautiful woman without discretion.

Isaiah 65:4 - who sit in tombs, and spend the night in secret places; who eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

Isaiah 66:17 - "Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, says the LORD

Matthew 8:31 - And the demons begged him, "If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of swine."

Matthew 8:32 - And he said to them, "Go." So they came out and went into the swine; and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, and perished in the waters

Wow Ice, I only gave the cliffnotes version. You provided the whole novel

This is very enlightening...

Supernova said:

I've had major judgement sessions lobbed against me for eating pork. Don't judge me on something so silly please.

Just today actually, I offered to share my lunch with a co-worker that i did not know believed in this fantasy and she vehemently went on and on about not wanting her food contaminated and that she would pass. Whatever. Last time I offer free food!
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Hey, I still like bacon (but I don't eat much fried food anymore), ham, and ribs. But I never knew there was a Biblical reasoning for certain people not eating pork. I've heard the arguments against it because of it not supposedly being "as clean" as other animals, but I know my mother, who lived on a farm, told me that there is nothing as filthy as a chicken because it will eat anything, and she means ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. I've heard farmers say similiar things. They would know better than I would, since I've never lived on a farm.

I still want to know the reasons for this belief. Anybody out there want to clarify???...

Jesus was a rebel...I bet he ate bacon every day...

"Jesus stole my milkshake"

I was coming out of McDonald's earlier, and Jesus with a huge bright halo around his blessed head walked up to me, took my large vanilla milkshake right out of my hand and took a big nasty slurp! That bastard. I'm gonna tell his father, you just see if I don't!
TooFunkyFishBalloon

"Could a Jesus Pizza dance..?"

And furthermore, what the FUCK is a Jesus Pizza? Is it like Christ-Chex or Jees-It's? I NEED TO KNOW!!! I'M 'BOUT TO 'SPLODE!! PIZZAPIZZA!!!
TooFunkyFishBalloon


I bet that pizza had pork-based toppings...

God gave the Israelites a special diet to emphasize that they were His special people. As Icenine highlighted the pig is an unclean animal God commaned them not to eat pork. Jesus declared all foods clean in the new testament.

vgallo6 said:

And the plot thickens...

Deep in the recesses of my mind, I recall
reading that the animals chosen as clean
or unclean were so designated because of the
characteristics they represented. It was
a means of teaching people how to conduct
themselves, not only at the table, but in
life.

I thought I was just poking my head in here
to get a break from my research. This is
gonna bug me until I remember where this came
from. Any Jewish Prince fans out there?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No not really, illness can be avoided by not eating it! Or eating it in in small quantities (less than 175 gr meat per day)

which prolly proves prince right. Cos if as Icenine says Jesus ate pork he'd be so fat that his wrists wouldn't support crucifiction. So he'd have been slow roasted on a grill with a coating of fine herbs, like his favourite food.

eat
it
and
shut
the
f*ck
up

vgallo6 said:

So God changes his mind?
"you can't eat this..it's bad for you"
"oh I don't mind really...eat what you like"

Maybe tomorrow all thing maketh of chocolate be unclean, especially the dark stuff, for that be the bringer of headaches, and piler of the pounds

JesusChrist said:

Jesus has resorted to cursing? Thank you, Jesus! I knew you had it in you!

Bacon

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have been told a long explanation of this by family members...in all I honestly do not follow it cause I do not practice the religion, I have and had family members that practiced the religion. In all reality to explain the dietary laws as they have been explained to me would take forever to type it all out. In short they follow the no pork eating rule as well as no horse flesh, birds of prey and shellfish because it is divine law set forth in leviticus, and to follow this would be following the divine laws given to them by god for whatever reason and to keep the covenant between god and the jewish people. The link below is a site that goes into much further easy to understand explination of this incase you are interested in reading further. Hope it all answers your question.

http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." - Jesus

Remember, Jesus wasn't just another Jew, he was trying to turn Judaism into Christianity. The old rules really didn't apply.