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I'm excited about the new Batman movie but I have a feeling these movies won't be fun anymore.... So next month The Dark Knight is hitting theaters and I'm thrilled. I thought Batman Begins was a well done (albeit a tad too long for my liking) film. It had great elements of storytelling, great performances, and yet for me, it just wasn't as fun as the Tim Burton/Joel Schumaker films.
Maybe it was because I was just becoming a teenager around the time, but to me it just seemed like FUN. I clearly remember going to see Batman (89) opening night, and a feeling being in the air. (The special edition DVD that came out in 2005 really documents this "vibe" well. Everyone wearing Batman shirts, etc.) However, when Batman Begins came out back in 2005, at least in my hometown, it started to feel that same way. Yet, people entered the movie with these big hopes. However, about half way into it people were like falling asleep and VERY bored. One of the strengths of the Burton/Schumaker films was they got right to it. They didn't take hours to get to Batman teasing the audience with an appearance. However, in the trailers for Batman Begins - it seemed like a "fun" movie. Now people understand, when I say "fun" I don't mean campy, I just mean ENTERTAINING. I mean people cheering when Batman shows up on screen. I mean people booing the villains in the theaters, or laughing along with them. I mean After seeing Batman Begins a few times, it felt more like a philosophical movie mixed with Spider-Man. It just leave a bland taste in my mouth. Something about it just didn't do it for me. Plus, I felt like Bale's Batman was trying way too hard. (Keaton will always be Batman in my eyes.) Now it is 2008, and I'm excited about the new sequel coming out, reading all these amazing reviews about the film in general and especially Heath's Joker portrayal. However, I just have a bad feeling the new Batman movies are just going to be these deep thrillers that just aren't very much fun overall. Maybe my longing for Batman to be a fun movie franchise should be handled by popping in my DVDs and calling it a night. However, I just feel like these new Batman movies will all and all be lacking something key. Fun. Anyone feel what I'm trying to say? MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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i thought the tim burton batman movies were just right. i liked the balance of campy and dark that he put into both films (especially the second one).
i thought the schumacher films were way too dumbed down and took way too many liberties with the characters and the established history of batman, both from the comics and the previous films. in short, i thought they were crap. that said, i know what you mean about "batman begins". i thought it was beautifully filmed and clearly a quality production, but it bored me to tears. and a superhero movie - especially BATMAN - should not be bland. i'll see the new one in theaters because i love the joker and i'm hoping the reviews are accurate and heath ledger knocked it out of the park with his portrayal. but i AM a little wary that it's going to be too talky, too understated, too "gritty realism" and not over-the-top enough...cuz if the character of the joker is ONE thing, it's over-the-top. | |
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I thought the first Burton Batman movie was great; a lot of fun and it came just at the right time. I know what you mean when you talk about the excitement around that film that summer of '89.
The second Burton one was just awful, I thought. I hated every minute of it and really was bored. With Batman Begins, I thought both Nolan and Bale nailed it. It was fun and exciting. I'm looking forward to seeing the new one on opening day. Visually, it looks like it's going to be stunning, and to me it feels like this new version of Batman in these movies is inspired by the Steve Englehart/Marshall Rogers Batman of the '70s, which is personally my favorite. | |
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I think 'Batman Begins' was perfect. Some things I really didn't like, for example the invisible Batmobile or some rather awkward jokes, but everything else was so perfect that those didn't matter. I just recently watched it again for the 10th time maybe. I love this movie.
Have you seen the trailers and TV spots for "The Dark Knight"? It's gonna rock. Cannot wait. | |
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Spoiler alert!
Movie Review: by Peter Travers Heads up: a thunderbolt is about to rip into the blanket of bland we call summer movies. The Dark Knight, director Christopher Nolan's absolute stunner of a follow-up to 2005's Batman Begins, is a potent provocation decked out as a comic-book movie. Feverish action? Check. Dazzling spectacle? Check. Devilish fun? Check. But Nolan is just warming up. There's something raw and elemental at work in this artfully imagined universe. Striking out from his Batman origin story, Nolan cuts through to a deeper dimension. Huh? Wha? How can a conflicted guy in a bat suit and a villain with a cracked, painted-on clown smile speak to the essentials of the human condition? Just hang on for a shock to the system. The Dark Knight creates a place where good and evil — expected to do battle — decide instead to get it on and dance. "I don't want to kill you," Heath Ledger's psycho Joker tells Christian Bale's stalwart Batman. "You complete me." Don't buy the tease. He means it. The trouble is that Batman, a.k.a. playboy Bruce Wayne, has had it up to here with being the white knight. He's pissed that the public sees him as a vigilante. He'll leave the hero stuff to district attorney Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) and stop the DA from moving in on Rachel Dawes (feisty Maggie Gyllenhaal, in for sweetie Katie Holmes), the lady love who is Batman's only hope for a normal life. Everything gleams like sin in Gotham City (cinematographer Wally Pfister shot on location in Chicago, bringing a gritty reality to a cartoon fantasy). And the bad guys seem jazzed by their evildoing. Take the Joker, who treats a stunningly staged bank robbery like his private video game with accomplices in Joker masks, blood spurting and only one winner. Nolan shot this sequence, and three others, for the IMAX screen and with a finesse for choreographing action that rivals Michael Mann's Heat. But it's what's going on inside the Bathead that pulls us in. Bale is electrifying as a fallibly human crusader at war with his own conscience. I can only speak superlatives of Ledger, who is mad-crazy-blazing brilliant as the Joker. Miles from Jack Nicholson's broadly funny take on the role in Tim Burton's 1989 Batman, Ledger takes the role to the shadows, where even what's comic is hardly a relief. No plastic mask for Ledger; his face is caked with moldy makeup that highlights the red scar of a grin, the grungy hair and the yellowing teeth of a hound fresh out of hell. To the clown prince of crime, a knife is preferable to a gun, the better to "savor the moment." The deft script, by Nolan and his brother Jonathan, taking note of Bob Kane's original Batman and Frank Miller's bleak rethink, refuses to explain the Joker with pop psychology. Forget Freudian hints about a dad who carved a smile into his son's face with a razor. As the Joker says, "What doesn't kill you makes you stranger." The Joker represents the last completed role for Ledger, who died in January at 28 before finishing work on Terry Gilliam's The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. It's typical of Ledger's total commitment to films as diverse as Brokeback Mountain and I'm Not There that he does nothing out of vanity or the need to be liked. If there's a movement to get him the first posthumous Oscar since Peter Finch won for 1976's Network, sign me up. Ledger's Joker has no gray areas — he's all rampaging id. Watch him crash a party and circle Rachel, a woman torn between Bale's Bruce (she knows he's Batman) and Eckhart's DA, another lover she has to share with his civic duty. "Hello, beautiful," says the Joker, sniffing Rachel like a feral beast. He's right when he compares himself to a dog chasing a car: The chase is all. The Joker's sadism is limitless, and the masochistic delight he takes in being punched and bloodied to a pulp would shame the Marquis de Sade. "I choose chaos," says the Joker, and those words sum up what's at stake in The Dark Knight. The Joker wants Batman to choose chaos as well. He knows humanity is what you lose while you're busy making plans to gain power. Every actor brings his A game to show the lure of the dark side. Michael Caine purrs with sarcastic wit as Bruce's butler, Alfred, who harbors a secret that could crush his boss's spirit. Morgan Freeman radiates tough wisdom as Lucius Fox, the scientist who designs those wonderful toys — wait till you get a load of the Batpod — but who finds his own standards being compromised. Gary Oldman is so skilled that he makes virtue exciting as Jim Gordon, the ultimate good cop and as such a prime target for the Joker. As Harvey tells the Caped Crusader, "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain." Eckhart earns major props for scarily and movingly portraying the DA's transformation into the dreaded Harvey Two-Face, an event sparked by the brutal murder of a major character. No fair giving away the mysteries of The Dark Knight. It's enough to marvel at the way Nolan — a world-class filmmaker, be it Memento, Insomnia or The Prestige — brings pop escapism whisper-close to enduring art. It's enough to watch Bale chillingly render Batman as a lost warrior, evoking Al Pacino in The Godfather II in his delusion and desolation. It's enough to see Ledger conjure up the anarchy of the Sex Pistols and A Clockwork Orange as he creates a Joker for the ages. Go ahead, bitch about the movie being too long, at two and a half hours, for short attention spans (it is), too somber for the Hulk crowd (it is), too smart for its own good (it isn't). The haunting and visionary Dark Knight soars on the wings of untamed imagination. It's full of surprises you don't see coming. And just try to get it out of your dreams. I just hope the length of the movie will not lessen its success. Because if half of this is true, it will be absolutely amazing. | |
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I think you're thinking about Batman too much! There's Joy In Expatriation. | |
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Every review I've read yet was more than positive. The only bummer is that the German release will be one month behind. Sucks. | |
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I liked the Tim Burton Batman movies, but I hated the Joel Schumacher ones.
Absolutely awful movies! I guess they might have been "fun", but if I'd wanted that kind of 'fun' from a Batman movie, I'd just watch the campy old Adam West one. I really liked Batman Begins though and I'm really looking forward to The Dark Knight. Hopefully they will continue in this vein and won't dumb it down or try and inject more 'fun' into it. Batman should be dark and a little difficult. I sure as hell don't wanna see it go down the Schumacher technicolor pantomime-fest route again! | |
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When the first Tim Burton Batman movie came out in 1989, it had been a LONG time coming for most Batman fans ... the Adam West "movie" was in 1966.
Christoper Nolan nailed it in Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight looks even better. In interviews he has said that he wants it to feel like Batman exists in everyday life, making it more realistic. I doubt he will inject "humor" or "camp" into his versions (he's a dark director by nature). I hear what you're saying though; I was 17 in 1989, and I probably saw Batman 5 or 6 times that summer. Kids remember things differently, and have summers off to be able to do that! | |
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Se7en said: Christoper Nolan nailed it in Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight looks even better. In interviews he has said that he wants it to feel like Batman exists in everyday life, making it more realistic. I doubt he will inject "humor" or "camp" into his versions (he's a dark director by nature)
Yes, Chris Nolan 'gets it' when it comes to Batman. None of that fun or campy Joel Schumacher Broadway sh!t. He almost killed the franchise. Nolan actually respects the source material, basing his Joker on the early Batman comics and "The Killing Joke". You know it's going to rock. | |
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the only reason people on here say tim burtons movie was better is cuz prince did the soundtrack even if it will be amazing(which it is gonna be) theyll still say the same imo. i thought tim burtons was pretty poo after i watched batman begins for the first time we have enopugh campy stupid superhero films its about time we had a more serious thought provoking film and whos a better hero 2 use than batman 2 achieve this? chris nolan did a brilliant job and i bet heaths performance as the joker will blow jacks right out of the water infact i have a feeling hes goin 2 win an academy award 2 be honest [Edited 6/28/08 15:21pm] Everybody's looking 4 the ladder
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optimus said: the only reason people on here say tim burtons movie was better is cuz prince did the soundtrack even if it will be amazing(which it is gonna be) theyll still say the same imo. i thought tim burtons was pretty poo after i watched batman begins for the first time we have enopugh campy stupid superhero films its about time we had a more serious thought provoking film and whos a better hero 2 use than batman 2 achieve this? chris nolan did a brilliant job and i bet heaths performance as the joker will blow jacks right out of the water infact i have a feeling hes goin 2 win an academy award 2 be honest
[Edited 6/28/08 15:21pm] SOME people. I am not one of those people - I happen to like Burton's movies as a rule and consider the fact that Prince did one of the soundtracks to Batman a bonus. That being said, I am interested in seeing this movie, and while I fear being disappointed because I am so enthralled with Burton's '89 movie, I will not watch it expecting that disappointment. As much as I loved Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker and Burton's vision of the whole thing, I will definitely watch this new film with an open mind. HE'S COMING AGAIN | |
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Camp is an aesthetic in which something has appeal because of its bad taste or ironic value. When the term first appeared in 1909, it was used to refer to ostentatious, exaggerated, affected, theatrical, effeminate or homosexual behaviour. By the mid-1970s, the term was defined as "banality, artifice, mediocrity, or ostentation so extreme as to have perversely sophisticated appeal."[1] American writer Susan Sontag's 1964 essay "Notes on 'Camp'" emphasised artifice, frivolity, naïve middle-class pretentiousness and shocking excess as key elements.
i don't think any of the batman films after 66 fit this defention. please don't just through camp around. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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