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From Russia With Pre-emptive Strikes

No link. Deal with it.

So let me get this straight. We set a precedent with pre-emptive strikes, yet are unable to garner world opinion on Iraq. confused

Way to bring diplomacy and statecraft into the 21st century George W.! biggrin

My comments are in bold throughout:

Moscow Times
November 6, 2002
Military Gets OK to Strike Abroad
By Simon Saradzhyan

Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, who last week was charged with reshaping the armed forces to better combat terrorism, said the military will be given the power to carry out strikes abroad, including on terrorist bases and other locations where individuals suspected of sponsoring terrorism could be hiding. the power or the authority?

The armed forces will commission the development of high-precision weaponry capable of "extensive destruction," as opposed to "mass destruction"? confused he said in an interview published Tuesday in Izvestia.

"All this may be stunning," stunning? WTF? That has got to be a translation problem! Ivanov said. "But a war has been virtually declared on us. It has neither fronts nor borders nor a visible enemy. But this is a war." That sounds hauntingly familiar... like with Darius and the Scythians back in the day...right?

Ivanov said the development of this new weaponry comes as part of the changes in the operational plans of the armed forces that he intends to introduce in response to President Vladimir Putin's directive of Oct. 28. That I haven't read! I am too scared to read it!

Ivan Safranchuk, head of the Moscow office of the independent, Washington-based Center for Defense Information, said Russia is not breaking new ground. First strike capability has been part of their foreign policy for years

"Russia is not discovering America," he said,[ lol ] but rather is following the U.S. lead by planning to "legitimize" strikes against terrorists abroad. [ sigh ] Safranchuk referred to the case when a missile fired by an unmanned CIA drone aircraft hit a car believed to be carrying suspected al-Qaida members in Yemen on Sunday and killed several occupants. [ yay! ]

Georgia is the most obvious target of Russia's new strategic direction, he said. That's not entirely obvious. After all, WE have a presence there!

Ivanov said the planned use of the armed forces abroad would "depend on the level of involvement of foreign states" in terrorist acts against Russia. nuts

As for the use of military force within Russia, the planned changes provide for army units and airborne troops to assist units of the Federal Security Service and Interior Ministry in interdicting terrorist groups, the defense minister said. And let's not forget the gas! Despite the army's involvement, the FSB will continue to bear the prime responsibility for battling terrorism, he said.

The Defense Ministry will also boost security at military facilities, reinforcing rapid reaction units set up to defend these facilities from terrorist attack, Ivanov said. Also, combat training will be modified to reflect the lessons learned from the recent terrorist acts and the guerrilla war waged by Chechen rebels. Ummm, yeah. Carpet-bombing is NOT modifcation

Speaking on Oct. 28 in the wake of the hostage-taking crisis, Putin also ordered Ivanov to draft amendments to the national security concept approved in January 2000 so as to adapt the armed forces for anti-terrorist missions. The president implied that Russia will use weapons of mass
destruction in response to acts of catastrophic terrorism even if the terrorists and their sponsors are located outside Russia. "Implied"? eek Did he say it or not? Hell, that's never been a part of our foreign policy, although I have no doubt it is floating around on paper somewhere in the Pentagon.

Putin's directive came after Chechen separatist representative Akhmed Zakayev had warned that some independently operating groups of the Chechen
rebels could storm a nuclear facility after having seen the hostage-taking raid fail to compel the Kremlin to withdraw its forces from Chechnya. WTF? Where did you hear this you Kremlin stooge? Akhmed Zakayev is a top envoy of Aslan Maskhadov, the ELECTED leader of Chechnya, and is currently in Denmark fighting extradition charges from Moscow. I doubt he's mouthing off very much these days.

Ivanov said his agency was working with the Foreign Ministry and other agencies to draft amendments to the national security concept. Other agencies also will be brought into the process, he said, and the first
draft will be ready within a month.

Safranchuk said he was puzzled that the president's Security Council and the FSB are not leading the effort to amend the security doctrine. The FSB remains the lead counter-terrorism agency, while it was the Security
Council, under Ivanov, which drafted the existing security concept shortly after Putin took over from Boris Yeltsin. Safranchuk's puzzlement is code for American fears that the FSB and the Security Council are acting independently -- never a good sign!

Safranchuk said he doubted that the armed forces would actually resort to "public use" as opposed to "private use? eek of what Ivanov has defined as "weapons of extensive damage" Again, let's not parse words here smile across Russia's borders, even if there is firm evidence of terrorist infrastructure abroad. He predicted, however, that the air force might continue to occasionally bomb suspected bases of Chechen rebels in Georgia without acknowledging these strikes. Thank you for "continue" smile In addition to Georgia, Russian planes also bombed Islamic militants during their incursions into Kyrgyzstan in 1999 and 2000. Now I thought that was classified! evil

Safranchuk noted that the armed forces lack long-range high-precision systems to deliver surgical strikes against terrorist infrastructure located thousands of kilometers away. Whew! However, the Kremlin will still use the planned changes to put pressure on those countries that it accuses of harboring Chechen separatists, such as Georgia.

Ivanov's interview hit the newsstands hours before the federal command announced it had blown up three apartment buildings near the Khankala airbase in Chechnya, saying that Chechen rebels had fired air-to-surface missiles at helicopters from there. Am I the only one who has not heard of this? eek The residents of these buildings failed to inform the military about the pending launches of the missiles, including one that downed a helicopter on Sunday, and the buildings had to be destroyed to prevent their future use by rebels, a federal command spokesman told Interfax. disbelief

No one was reported hurt. Yeah, that's because, as you just pointed out above, these things WON'T be reported The head of Chechnya's pro-Moscow government, Stanislav Ilyasov, told Interfax that only one of the three building had people living in it and that they would be given new apartments. That's nice

Putin, who was in the southern city of Maikop on Tuesday, told the head of Chechnya's pro-Moscow administration, Akhmad Kadyrov, that "anti-terrorist operations" in Chechnya will be surgical, Interfax reported. Chechnya has a "Pro-Moscow administration? eek
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Reply #1 posted 11/06/02 9:43pm

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The definition of terrorism seems to be getting more subjective by the day. eek
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