SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

That is a damned fine point!

By the way... I told Heather what to post... she is not into politics!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

And back to the examples I cited about complete hypocrisy (Newt Gingrich leading the campaign against Clinton when he was guilty of the same damn thing & the Republican party being in bed with the religious right), at least the Democratic party isn't full of these kinds of religious hypocrites.

I'm sorry if i'm interfering with your national matters, but...

Why is one of 'em called Republicans as if the rest would like to reinstate the British Crown and the other called Democrats os is the rest would like to introduce some form of tyranny...

Go ahead and flame this ignorant foreigner...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

True... very true, but I just don't understand why people are all for one party over the other. It drives me crazy when people just vote straight ticket for no other reason than to vote their party in. I have many friends who do that and we argue about it and neither of us get anywhere.

Anyway... like IceNine said... I don't like discussing politics... lol. I'm just not into it that much.

Republicans suck ass.

AzureStar said:

Did Ice tell you to write that too?

The only reason I vote straight ticket is because I cannot in good concience vote for a party that will (if they can get away with it) pass anti gay legislation and take away a woman's right to choose. Until the Republican party stops engaging in imposing their morality on the rest of us I will never support the party no matter how great the person.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No... that was his attempt at getting me out of a discussion.

AzureStar said:

Ice is so crafty

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

lol

There's nothing wrong with being a Republican.If you believe in their ideas and way of governing,then you should vote Republican.I have a problem with the Republican Party for many of the same reasons that Organgrinder mentioned.I just don't feel that they are the "party for the people".Republicans only care about the rich.During every election cycle,they put up this phony-ass front about being "exclusionary" and wanting everybody to be a part of their "big tent".But it's all just a big lie! As Organgrinder pointed out,the Republican Party is against gays,they're against a woman's right to have an abortion,they are guided by the Christian Right,and they are slaves to the National Rifle Association.They constantly talk about "family values" while many of their own members are having extra-marital affairs!

I'm not saying the Democrats are saints,but I do feel comfortable identifying with a party that CARES about all people.The Dems don't pretend to be perfect.

Another thing...in the 90s,the Republicans spent millions of OUR dollars investigating Clinton's Monica ordeal(even thought the public couldn't care less about Clinton's blowjob!) ,and the so-called Whitewater scandal.But,then when we find all these (more serious) scandals associated with THEIR party (Iran-Contra in the 80s...Enron in the 2000s,etc),they try to dismiss it and start new wars to distract the public's attention from it.Just another reason to hate the Republican Party

IceNine, there is a lot of wisdom in your words. I think it's ridiculous that the two-party system of government in America has caused an "us" versus "them" atmosphere -- half the country against the other half. It bothers me that my choices are often limited to one party or the other, and I often vote conservative though I don't support much of what the Republican party does (or the Democratic party for that matter). Both parties play off of each other to make us more accepting of the "compromise" (agreement, unity, etc) that comes out of it all. Initially, we wouldn't even be accepting of that compromise, but if we are conditioned to think that ANY thing the two opposing parties can agree on is good (since they rarely ever agree), then we are fooled into thinking the outcome is a good one (e.g. going to war for oil). It really goes back to the use of Hegelian dialectics to condition us to believe a certain way. Can Nazi Germany happen again? Sure can, and we won't even know it until it's too late... again. We're too caught up in the media matrix of propaganda and deceit. But hey, as long as we have a job, car, home, and some extra change in our pockets, what's it matter? If we have any sense of right and wrong, it matters a lot that we be'ware.

David Eye, the Republican party says they CARE through other ways -- protecting the unalienable rights of babies and saving innocent peoples' lives while they're are practically defenseless in the wombs of a women who feel they have a right to kill/deny the life of another human being, making sure we are able to protect ourselves and our families with our own firearms when they are used against us, trying to maintain a healthy family unit, and encouraging each person to do well for themselves by not throwing money at their problems but offering them ways to get past their problems. I don't agree with many ways the Republicans go about "caring" for people, but I also don't agree with many of the Democratic means of coming to the same end. This whole "caring" thing is a smokescreen as both parties sign away America's sovereignty. P.S. The Monica ordeal had a lot of ramifications that the public cared about (national security, integrity of the presidential office, sanctity of marriage and family, lying under oath, relativism of truth and proper definitions of words, etc). And both parties are well-known for creating distractions when they need them.

Jasziah said:

Quite frankly this is none of your business. Why should YOU and your party be the ones to make this decision for someone? There are many reasons women turn to abortion and forcing them to have a baby that they don't want (for whatever reason) is quite irresponsible.

Notice how Republicans and right wing wackos will fight for the baby's right to live but they are nowhere to be found once the baby is here. Leave the decision to the individual. This kind of insistance to govern other's freedoms to choose is simply a milder form of Talibanism and if given the chance to flourish would surely see many more restrictions to our freedoms.
[This message was edited Wed Nov 6 15:29:22 PST 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

There is nothing wrong with being Republican.

And there is nothing wrong with despising the Republican party and everything it currently stands for.

Both trains of thought are protected under our Constitution.

My own personal hatred for the Republican party lies, also, in their long, steamy love-affair with the fucking wackos who make up the Religious Right. Read Sleeping With Extra-Terrestrials by Wendy Kaminer. That will show you why many liberals (and also those with Libertarian leanings) loathe the GOP. If they didn't bend over and spread their hypocritical asscheeks open for Falwell, Robertson, et al every four seconds, I wouldn't have so many problems with them. But just WATCH what they do to our liberties! Watch what happens now to Gay right, women's control over their own bodies, civil dissent, and a whole range of other shit...I shudder with fear...

Jasziah said:

Are you completely ignoring previous points made on this thread? Newt Gingrich, the leader of this witch hunt, WAS GUILTY OF THE SAME GODDAMNED THING THEY FORCED THE PRESIDENT TO COME CLEAN OVER. Do you really think that the "public" was overly concerned with whether or not the President got a blow job? Who cares!!! I don't know 1 person that really gave a rats ass what the President did with Monica Lewinsky. This incident certainly didn't prove anything other than what big hypocritical self righteous liars the Republicans really are.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

This is a very important point, Supa. I wish I could find a cartoon I saw once... they showed a whole bunch of male/female protestors outside a Planned Parenthood building, most were lying down in protest - the usual stuff... on one side of the cartoon was a little kid asking for a dollar, and the person staring back appalled. Go figure...




[This message was edited Wed Nov 6 15:37:37 PST 2002 by LaVisHh]

KingSausage said:

This shit is gonna get so deep it's not even funny. I also shudder to think of the horrors that are sure to come.

Why do you think I shouldn't have the freedom to choose and vote for laws that I feel will protect innocent people's (babies) lives? Are you not trying to govern my freedoms and the freedoms of those (babies) who will die without ever having the freedom to make their own individual choices?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well, it also proved (once again) that Clinton would unabashedly lie to the American people and that he would lie in court, and that he had no respect for the oval office.

Let's not forget that...

I attend a lot of speaking engagements and conferences, and I always find it odd how the very same people who adamantly fight for freedom of speech and against censorship will interrupt ("crash") the speech of someone they don't agree with (no matter the ideology). If we all should have the freedom to believe what we believe, then why do so many of us get upset when someone doesn't believe the same way we do? Do we REALLY believe in Freedom?

Jasziah said:

Excuse me but there is a big difference between allowing people to make their own choices in life and denying EVERYONE the option to choose how their life should be. For the record, I do not support abortion as the only form of birth control a woman should rely on. But your desire to enact laws restricting any option is totally wrong. You are espousing the right to life but what about the right to quality of life?

If you force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want do you think that's fair for the baby to live with that resentment? How about people who cannot afford to have kids? Do you think it's fair to have them born into poverty? How about abusive situations? Is it fair to bring a child into that situation. Your insistence on instituting a blanket ban on a woman's right to choose has more ramifications on the public than the president's blow job EVER did.

IceNine said:

True, but let's face it. Would you want to admit on public TV that you cheated on your wife?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

If I was married to Hillary, I would want EVERYONE to know that I was fucking someone else!!!

:LOL:

IceNine said:

LMAO!!! Ice, I love you. Your humor that is

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It's not so much what he did WITH her, but what he DID period. The House of Reps (composed of political representatives of more than "1 person") impeached him, not because of the "act" but because of many of the reasons I stated above.

Look, I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, but I think many of the statements made in this thread show how deceived we really are. BOTH political parties have a lot to be ashamed about and it's hypocritical for one to point fingers at the other. They need to each get their own house in order, and then, maybe, it might make sense when one starts pointing fingers at the other.

Jasziah said:

Then I suggest that you take your own advise and stop pointing your fingers in judgement at women who make the decision to control their own lives.

My mother is one of those people who will only vote Republican because of their anti abortion stance. So when the time came that my sister got pregnant, she refused to help my sister out. So my sister had her baby which she knew neither she or her boyfriend were ready for. Her boyfriend grew INCREDIBLY resentful over the child and became abusive. That cycle only festered and my sister was raped 2 other times by this man and had 2 more kids. Now it's 10 years later and this freak is still terrorizing my family, my sister and the kids. Is that your idea of the right choice? How is this a Godly situation? Wouldn't it be more Godly to prevent this situation from even happening? Let's not even talk about how many problems these kids will have in their lives becuase of this abuse.
[This message was edited Wed Nov 6 16:00:05 PST 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

It's not that it's wrong. It's just that it ain't right.

Well, I'm sorry it has to be this way, but if you are a republican or conservative, I make no bones about opposing your politics, because at this point we have MANIRATED in neo-conservative ideas for two decades and there shall be an unabashed, explicit opposition to what conservatism stands for.

Imagine that right here, in Ontario, Canada, our provincial government went right ahead and deregulated electricity... that's after the California experience. Well, despite their promise that we wouldn't be paying much more, rates are soaring. Everyone warned them this would happen, and despite the still fresh memories of California, the conservative, "let,s deregulate" approach still won the day. Now it looks like the money we are supposed to keeping in our pockets due to generous tax cuts will be urgently needed to pay for the 'lectricity.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Somehow we find ways to create and protect animals' rights, finding places for them to live, not being asked for proof of insurance when they are taken to the vet or animal hospital, etc. We spend millions protecting animals, and yet we won't protect the unborn babies or make sure those that are born are taken care of? Killing them is not the solution. They, like their mothers, should also have freedom of choice -- but not to be killed. There must be a better way. Ask PETA.

Jasziah said:

What are YOU doing to insure the protection of the lives of the babies once they are here. I'm sure you aren't doing a goddamned thing except blabbing on and on...

There are a whole set of issues that come with bringing unwanted children into this world. Let's hear some of your plans on how to battle the problems that come from forcing people to have kids they don't want.
[This message was edited Wed Nov 6 16:04:13 PST 2002 by SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Jasziah...I would LOVE to hear your response on this situation with my family. How can you justify in your heart this situation?