SCNDLS said:

Don't ask us why we're called The Dutch, that's some shit English speaking people made up.

Copy & paste:

The name "Holland" first appeared in the sources in 866 for the region around Haarlem and was by 1064 being used for the name of the entire county. By this time the inhabitants of Holland were referring to themselves as "Hollanders".[1] "Holland" is derived from the Middle Dutch term holtland ("wooded land"). This spelling variation remained in use until around the 14th century, at which time the name stabilised as "Holland" (alternative spellings at the time: "Hollant" or "Hollandt"). Popular, but incorrect, etymology holds that "Holland" is derived from hol land ("hollow land") and was inspired by the low-lying geography of Holland.

The proper name of the area in both Dutch and English is "Holland". "Holland" is a part of the Netherlands. "Holland" is informally and quite incorrectly used in English and other languages, including sometimes the Dutch language itself, to mean the whole of the modern country of the Netherlands. (This example of pars pro toto or synecdoche is similar to the tendency to refer to the United Kingdom as "England".)

The people of Holland are referred to as "Hollanders" in both Dutch and English. Today this refers specifically to people from the current provinces of North Holland and South Holland. Strictly speaking, the term "Hollanders" does not refer to people from the other provinces in the Netherlands, but colloquially "Hollanders" is sometimes mistakenly used in this wider sense.

When referring to the Netherlands as a whole, the adjective is "Dutch". "Dutch" is not used as an adjective for "Holland" in a modern context because "Dutch" refers to all of the Netherlands, not just Holland. However, there is a good deal of confusion about this. In actual practice, the adjective "Dutch" is often (but somewhat inaccurately) used in the specific context of Holland.

In Dutch, the Dutch word "Hollands" is the adjectival form for "Holland", but in English there is no commonly used adjective for "Holland". "Hollands" is ordinarily expressed in English in two ways:

* a possessive construction (e.g. "Holland's economic power"); or

* an "of Holland" or "from Holland" construction (e.g. "the Maid of Holland"; "a girl from Holland").

The following usages apply in certain limited situations but do not ordinarily serve as the English equivalent of the commonly used Dutch adjective "Hollands".

* Occasionally, the noun "Holland" is used in apposition (e.g. "the Holland Society").

* The adjective "Hollandic" is occasionally used by some historians and other academic writers as an adjective for Holland. Historians who use the word tend to reserve it to pre-Napoleonic Holland.

* Historically the English word "Dutch" had a different, broader meaning that could occasionally include "Hollands".

* The adjective "Hollandish" is a word in English but is currently no longer in use.

eikonoklastes said:

Thanks for the info. But after awhile I felt like

SCNDLS said:

Hey, could be worse. You could be watching LOST right now.

eikonoklastes said:

eikonoklastes said:

ZombieKitten said:

attributing waffles to the dutch is blasphemy. BLASPHEMY I TELL YA !

Waffles are Belgian.

BlueZebra said:

I'm so gonna makes some for breakfast this weekend!

I miss waffles

Petra
Herman
Marion
Aksel


Holland is fucking awesome

Oh yeah and Holland is where i first met Charlotte

shanti0608 said:

but why?!?!

get a waffle maker!

mdiver said:

of all places!

you know Vinnie and Judith who I was staying with? That baby clucky Leo is holding in that photo is theirs.

ZombieKitten said:

OMG that is so awesome give them our best won't you and say congrats on a beautiful baby

ZombieKitten said:

My list of things we need for the kitchen is long and the waffle maker is towards the bottom of the list. That and there is not a lot of storage space here for things I would rarely use.
I will enjoy a waffle when we go back home at the end of the year.

BlueZebra said:

i dont care where they are from, I want some!!! those look so delicious

You MUST visit the Supper Club in Amsterdam! It is

www.supperclub.nl to make your reservation, which is a must as you can't usually get in on the night without a reservation.

Or visit the Anne Frank museum in Amsterdam, a very sad experience, but a must.

lalalailoveu said:

book on the internet to save on LOOOOONG queue - right Val and Phil?

veronikka said:

didn't you cut back on sweets ? No waffles for you !

ZombieKitten said:

In deed or go early in the morning

Very humbling place to visit.

shanti0608 said:

Yes, I'll DEFINITELY go to that.

SCNDLS said:

When you do, find a quiet corner and just stand for a few moment, close your eyes.....you can hear them.

I'm in Holland. In fact, I'm really close to Rijswijk and actually run to Rijswijk when I go running.

Also I might be at North Sea Jazz for at least one of the days.

Orgnote me!

ZombieKitten said:

OH MY EFFING GOD YOU HAD TO BUST OUT THE WAFFLES!!!!

Thanks ZK, I am now freakin' out because I want those delicious, light as a feather waffles loaded with all manner of goodness... Oh the West Coast can be SO frustrating...

RenHoek said:

I have been thinking about waffles for longer than 24 hours now, until I get relief it is almost causing me physical pain.

ZombieKitten said:

You TOO????!!!!! It was all I could do today to keep myself from going to IHOP and getting a big ass Bacon Waffle. I might still go since they're open 24/7.

SCNDLS said:

At least I know it will only be 16 hours until I can have some
I'll take a picture!

ZombieKitten said:

I'm REALLY trying to stop myself from going to IHOP at 2 am.

I went to IHOP and was sooooo disappointed. My bacon waffle was woefully undercooked but I was too hungry to send it back.

On non-waffle related news,

Erykah Badu is going to be in Amsterdam at Paradiso on the day I leave. I'm planning to change my flight so I can see her but I'm curious: Is Erykah well known in Holland? Does she have a big following there? Anyone? Anyone?

ZombieKitten said:

6'3"

Aksel's even taller.

SCNDLS said:

22nd still isn't sold out...
[Edited 6/5/08 11:52am]

HamsterHuey said:

I just tried to buy tix thru TM and it says it's not available. What's the best way to purchase tix?

Nevermind, I used a different link and got through. Is this whole venue general admission/standing?
[Edited 6/5/08 12:00pm]