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Printablesextonseven said: ThreadBare said: I think it's a matter of perspective. I look at it a lot differently: Llewellyn wasn't the lead. Anton Chigurh (played by Javier Bardem) was. We establish early on that Llewellyn is as dumb as a tick, in way over his head and stupidly thinking he can take on a psychopath just because he was a 'Nam vet. Chigurh belongs in the same pantheon of villains that houses Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter. And, that's why the Coen brothers go through great lengths to give him the best lines, the most outlandish scenes and the opportunities to impact everyone he comes in contact with. The tension he brought to the screen drove that film. Llewellyn was but a foil used to flesh out Chigurh. That's why his death was treated so insignificantly. I always thought the sheriff was the main character and that was why the movie ends with him retiring. He's the antagonist to Chigurh's protagonist. He represents law, order and justice. Chigurh represents anarchy, malevolence and unrestrained violence. If you really watch, you'll see the plot revolves more around Chigurh than around anyone else. The sheriff also represents the chorus, such as those used in Greek tragedies and Shakespearean plays. He provides commentary and exposition, where it's needed. | |
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ThreadBare said: superspaceboy said: I watched this movie this weekend. For most of it, it was good. I had no idea what it was all about but heard it was a pretty bleak movie. As I was watching it, it seemed more of a quiet thriller like Fargo. I was annoyed with HOW the main character makes a stupid mistake by going back to the scene and thus propelling the rest of the plot. For me that's hard to watch, but the movie went along and I was genuinely on the edge of my seat.
However.... Once Louellen gets killed...from that moment the movie falls apart. I had to actually rewind the part where you see him dead. I can't believe that his death was so unsatisfactory and wasn't shown. Then I was left wondering "What Now? Only to find out there was no more to the story except that LAME dialog Tommy Lee has at the end (What was his purpose anyway?) Honestly I was so disappointed with the ending it ruined the rest of it for me. I think it's a matter of perspective. I look at it a lot differently: Llewellyn wasn't the lead. Anton Chigurh (played by Javier Bardem) was. We establish early on that Llewellyn is as dumb as a tick, in way over his head and stupidly thinking he can take on a psychopath just because he was a 'Nam vet. Chigurh belongs in the same pantheon of villains that houses Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter. And, that's why the Coen brothers go through great lengths to give him the best lines, the most outlandish scenes and the opportunities to impact everyone he comes in contact with. The tension he brought to the screen drove that film. Llewellyn was but a foil used to flesh out Chigurh. That's why his death was treated so insignificantly. 100% agree. | |
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I watched this weekend too. Thought it started out SOOOO damn slowwwww... then it really GOT me  then I started getting bored again, & I was SO irritated w/ the ending, "THAT'S IT???!!!" 
 There were some chilling scenes, very well done (the Coen's always are) but overall I didn't love it    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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i enjoyed the film and appreciate the ending for what it is...we have to keep in mind that the title of the work is "no country for old men" and that is the underlying thought that we need to consider when thinking about the ending.
now i must admit that i have fought with myself over if this film is better then There Will Be Blood and I concluded that Blood is a better film cause it left me thinking more about the underlying message and I have finally come to the conclusion that Sweeny Todd was the best film of 07 over both of them but I can not dismiss either of these films for refusing to take the easy path in telling it's story...They are each unique and beautiful stories of loyalty and eventual betrayal. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: i enjoyed the film and appreciate the ending for what it is...we have to keep in mind that the title of the work is "no country for old men" and that is the underlying thought that we need to consider when thinking about the ending.
now i must admit that i have fought with myself over if this film is better then There Will Be Blood and I concluded that Blood is a better film cause it left me thinking more about the underlying message and I have finally come to the conclusion that Sweeny Todd was the best film of 07 over both of them but I can not dismiss either of these films for refusing to take the easy path in telling it's story...They are each unique and beautiful stories of loyalty and eventual betrayal. I'll have to agree that There Will Be Blood was an equally unconventional film that I enjoyed more. | |
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sextonseven said: sosgemini said: i enjoyed the film and appreciate the ending for what it is...we have to keep in mind that the title of the work is "no country for old men" and that is the underlying thought that we need to consider when thinking about the ending.
now i must admit that i have fought with myself over if this film is better then There Will Be Blood and I concluded that Blood is a better film cause it left me thinking more about the underlying message and I have finally come to the conclusion that Sweeny Todd was the best film of 07 over both of them but I can not dismiss either of these films for refusing to take the easy path in telling it's story...They are each unique and beautiful stories of loyalty and eventual betrayal. I'll have to agree that There Will Be Blood was an equally unconventional film that I enjoyed more. What am I missing with this film? I guess I need to watch it again because I just don't get the hype... | |
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garganta said: superspaceboy said: Who was that as an actor? Also who played the lead? what do you mean? that´s Javier Bardem and the lead was played by Josh Brolin I didn't recognize Brolin. I have never seen Javier before...not that I can recall. And I didn't wacth the Oscars either. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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savoirfaire said: shausler said: life is an unhappy random act
this movie lives up to that premise i loved it had to watch it 3 times to see what i mis interpeted The movie was a masterpiece. If things aren't wrapped into a neat bow, that doesn't mean its no good. The Coen Bros. generally don't make character-driven movies (although there are exceptions to this). And for those that are also critiquing There Will Be Blood.....  Stop!!I think for many of us it wasn't that everything wasn't tied up. It was that the end was so anti climatic and unsatisfying. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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superspaceboy said: savoirfaire said: The movie was a masterpiece. If things aren't wrapped into a neat bow, that doesn't mean its no good. The Coen Bros. generally don't make character-driven movies (although there are exceptions to this). And for those that are also critiquing There Will Be Blood..... Stop!!I think for many of us it wasn't that everything wasn't tied up. It was that the end was so anti climatic and unsatisfying. interesting | |
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superspaceboy said: garganta said: what do you mean? that´s Javier Bardem and the lead was played by Josh Brolin I have never seen Javier before...not that I can recall. And I didn't wacth the Oscars either. Really? Javier has been around. His movies that I remember are: 
Goya's Ghosts 
The Sea Inside 
The Dancer Upstairs 
Before Night Falls 
Live Flesh | |
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eikonoklastes said: I loved it, even with the unusual ending. It's like reading something in the paper about a mysterious murder and then never get to hear how the story ended....because they never caught the guy who did it and people just move on to the next exciting story. That's it. You don't always get the answers you're looking for.
Exactly. I was surprised at the total lack of denouement in the film, as that's a highly risky move for a director to take. But given the context of the film, it works here. Life goes on, evil isn't always punished, and there are no real "endings" in life--except death, of course. And I'm confused by the statements here about "No Country" having a "twist" at the end. I don't see it. Where's the "twist?" | |
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sextonseven said: sosgemini said: i enjoyed the film and appreciate the ending for what it is...we have to keep in mind that the title of the work is "no country for old men" and that is the underlying thought that we need to consider when thinking about the ending.
now i must admit that i have fought with myself over if this film is better then There Will Be Blood and I concluded that Blood is a better film cause it left me thinking more about the underlying message and I have finally come to the conclusion that Sweeny Todd was the best film of 07 over both of them but I can not dismiss either of these films for refusing to take the easy path in telling it's story...They are each unique and beautiful stories of loyalty and eventual betrayal. I'll have to agree that There Will Be Blood was an equally unconventional film that I enjoyed more. Same here. The audience damn near rioted at the end of the film. Like "No Country," it ends with a fistful of loose ends. | |
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even bambi got a bullet in the chest
oh yes once upon a time in the west - knopfler [Edited 5/28/08 13:04pm] | |
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SnakePeel said: sextonseven said: I'll have to agree that There Will Be Blood was an equally unconventional film that I enjoyed more. Same here. The audience damn near rioted at the end of the film. Like "No Country," it ends with a fistful of loose ends. I felt very satisfied at the end of Blood. To me, that movie reached a logical conclusion based on the trajectory of Daniel Day Lewis' character. The ongoing conflict between the oil prospector and the preacher finally came to a head at the end--with disastrous results. That is what I wanted, thank you very much sir. On the other hand, No Country, while a very good film, at the end didn't give me what I wanted. capitals [Edited 5/28/08 13:30pm] | |
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when he killed luellas wife
the fact that he checked his shoes for blood when he exited the house was a steller subtlety lest you thought he let her live , [Edited 5/28/08 13:35pm] | |
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shausler said: when he killed luellas wife
the fact that he checked his shoes for blood when he exited the house was a steller subtlety lest you thought he let her live , [Edited 5/28/08 13:35pm] I don't agree, there was never any doubt in my mind that he would kill her...he had promised Llewelyn! | |
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ThreadBare said: superspaceboy said: I watched this movie this weekend. For most of it, it was good. I had no idea what it was all about but heard it was a pretty bleak movie. As I was watching it, it seemed more of a quiet thriller like Fargo. I was annoyed with HOW the main character makes a stupid mistake by going back to the scene and thus propelling the rest of the plot. For me that's hard to watch, but the movie went along and I was genuinely on the edge of my seat.
However.... Once Louellen gets killed...from that moment the movie falls apart. I had to actually rewind the part where you see him dead. I can't believe that his death was so unsatisfactory and wasn't shown. Then I was left wondering "What Now? Only to find out there was no more to the story except that LAME dialog Tommy Lee has at the end (What was his purpose anyway?) Honestly I was so disappointed with the ending it ruined the rest of it for me. I think it's a matter of perspective. I look at it a lot differently: Llewellyn wasn't the lead. Anton Chigurh (played by Javier Bardem) was. We establish early on that Llewellyn is as dumb as a tick, in way over his head and stupidly thinking he can take on a psychopath just because he was a 'Nam vet. Chigurh belongs in the same pantheon of villains that houses Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter. And, that's why the Coen brothers go through great lengths to give him the best lines, the most outlandish scenes and the opportunities to impact everyone he comes in contact with. The tension he brought to the screen drove that film. Llewellyn was but a foil used to flesh out Chigurh. That's why his death was treated so insignificantly. I see here that I'm not the only one that was unsatisfied with this movie although I like your interpretation of it. Brolin and Bardem were good but I think the movie started to fall apart for me when Josh somehow outran the truck in the desert. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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the only thing i didnt like was the name Llewellyn
what the hell kinda man name is that ???!!!  | |
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you want an ending to fuck with you,
go see the original version of "funny games" oy vey | |
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shausler said: you want an ending to fuck with you,
go see the original version of "funny games" oy vey Yeah, the ending of Funny Games is not "satisfying and happy", that's for damn sure. | |
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And I loved No Country For Old Men, especially the absence of a score or any music to point out what we're supposed to feel and when we're supposed to feel it.
I wonder if the ending and Josh Brolin's death might have been received/perceived better if there had been some haunting music playing just beneath the scenes...  | |
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Byron said: And I loved No Country For Old Men, especially the absence of a score or any music to point out what we're supposed to feel and when we're supposed to feel it.
I wonder if the ending and Josh Brolin's death might have been received/perceived better if there had been some haunting music playing just beneath the scenes... it still cracks me up that the Coen Bros. actually listed someone for the musical score in the end-credits of the movie.....I was like: WTF, what music??? | |
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shausler said: when he killed luellas wife
the fact that he checked his shoes for blood when he exited the house was a steller subtlety lest you thought he let her live , [Edited 5/28/08 13:35pm] Yea, that was a nice touch  I thought he would kill her but a part of me thought mayyyyybe he'll let her live??? I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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sextonseven said: superspaceboy said: I have never seen Javier before...not that I can recall. And I didn't wacth the Oscars either. Really? Javier has been around. His movies that I remember are:
Goya's Ghosts
The Sea Inside
The Dancer Upstairs
Before Night Falls
Live Flesh don't forget Jamón, Jamón 
http://images.celebritymo...amon-6.jpg [NSFW] he was quite good in that!  | |
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ZombieKitten said: sextonseven said: Really? Javier has been around. His movies that I remember are:
Goya's Ghosts
The Sea Inside
The Dancer Upstairs
Before Night Falls
Live Flesh don't forget Jamón, Jamón
http://images.celebritymo...amon-6.jpg [NSFW] he was quite good in that! I can see how good he was in that link!  | |
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sextonseven said: ZombieKitten said: I can see how good he was in that link!  exactly! | |
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