teller said:

eye think that u should get as much info on all religions, analyze the scientific point of view, read the bible on your own and with others, speak to atheists etc etc and most of all seek with your heart, and u will find the truth.

RaneStarr said:

good advice!

no prob {{{does a lil dance}}}

RaneStarr said:

It's just that heard there was going to be a debate...that usually means there's some point or other that's debatable, not just "my opinion" or "my beliefs" but "my options BECAUSE..." ...?

teller said:

teller said:

xactly! lol

RaneStarr said:

Ok...so Christianity BECAUSE...?

RaneStarr said:

I believe that he was referring to your failure to debate the issue at all and your just talking about the bible.

teller said:

Because,Because, BECAAUUUSE,Because of the wonderful things he does! We're off to see the Wizard, who's more real to me than GOD!

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[This message was edited Sat Nov 2 18:09:13 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon]

Where is RaneStarr now that someone asked her a question? Did she have to go out and consult the bible or maybe she is praying for guidance and she will reply when the lord has provided her with an answer.

AzureStar said:

That word "BECAUSE" is a difficult one...

teller said:

basically when was 17 or so eye had lots of questions about God and his xistance, very angry with what eye was seeing all around me politically, in my life, foreign countries, media, and w/ others. eye started 2 really thirst 4 answers therefore eye started searching 4 answers everywhere eye could. when eye finally went 2 god and picked up the bible all that confusing info was made clear 2 me thru the holy spirit/Bible regarding ALL my questions.

later on, through sociology and psychology college courses, books that eye read, all that was said 2 me thru the holy spirit was confirmed in writing. After this xperience eye never doubted or went 2 "humans" or "science" 4 answers and have relied on the word of God.

AzureStar said:

lol@u

RaneStarr said:

Please explain how what was said to you through the "holy spirit" was confirmed. You cannot say, "because I feel the presence of god," as that is a circular argument.

RaneStarr said:

Well I can't knock it if it works for you...indeed the world is a puzzling place and we must look for answers where we can...

But there is apparently no debate...?

RaneStarr said:

So does that mean that a discussion about this would be futile and that for every answer you will answer with the word of God in the form of a reference to the Bible?

By the way... nobody get mad at AzureStar... I have been telling her what to post... I was trying to stay away from this topic, but I couldn't help getting my poisonous and ungodly ideas in there.

Teller, you will not get a debate started... you will hear about the holy spirit and then the holy spirit will be used as evidence for the existence of the holy spirit and as the rationale for all arguments.

"I believe in god because the holy spirit came to me and I see the holy spirit in the world... the holy spirit will come to you if you only let it!"

...and so forth.


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teller said:

You are exactly right, there is NO debate and there will be no debate. She is not going to do that.

Like I said on the other thread:

It's like an argument in the school playground

"I don't care, You smell...because you do!"

"mmm, not very constructive."

"I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I? I know you are, but what am I?"

AzureStar said:

well eye'll tell u xactly what happened... eye was completely furious one day... eye had a million and one issues with death in particular, eye had someone very important 2 me die, and eye was absolutely cussing God OUT... eye demanded that he return the person eye lost and eye was not taking no 4 an answer. 4 some wierd reason my mom kept pressing me 2 pick up the bible... she would pass by my room and say "ri, u should pick up the bible and read it sometimes u never read the bible" she said this 2 me several times and later on that day eye said what the heck, let me pick up this Bible... Eye picked it and started 2 have a conversation with God, after a while Something inside me told me to start asking some questions... after that "something" inside me told me ask questions eye felt a tingle all over my body, it wasn't overwelming, it was just a tingle and eye started 2 shake. all of a sudden eye felt an enourmous amount of comfort come through my body. My first question was "what the heck is this, why do I feel this way" I proceeded 2 open up the Bible and the first page eye opened it was a page that started saying "this is God the creator of earth, who created the oceans bla bla bla" at this point eye freaked... eye proceeded 2 ask another question "Can the dead hear us, feel what we are going through on earth" I proceeded 2 close the Bible and eye re-opened it and on that page there was a verse that said "when people die they are as if they were sleeping bla bla bla" and eye tell u, every question that eye asked about humanity, war, world hunger all these questions were answered one by one every time eye closed and opened up the Bible 2 look 4 the answer. After awhile, the tingle started fading and I begged it not to go away, and it comforted me and made me as if it had 2 leave, and it was gone... in the proceeding months eye found myself getting answers 4 other questions regarding the media and other things (without the tinglely feeling) eye would just sit and analyze and the answers would come to me. Later on when eye went 2 college all that eye analyzed or was told was confirmed thru sociology books/psychology books
later on I found out that tingle was the Holy Spirit

servantsofpuas said:

no because what some science and sociology only prove what the bible has said all along

IceNine said:

RaneStarr said:

I am familiar with this process...however I'm also familiar with the rhetorical process, and this, while sincere, will not float as far as converting others is concerned.

I know a number of Christians who are strong people...it's just that as far as comparing ideas, in a persuasive sense, one's own mystical experience is usually not enought to relate the material to another.

teller said:

well that's all good, cuz eye'm not trying 2 convert anyone! lol eye am simply defending myself amongst those who want 2 dominate over me or pressure me not 2 xpress myself, and trust me eye will have the last word, NO ONE is goig 2 dismiss me... =)

RaneStarr said:

The bible is not a ouija board.

How do you claim that your belief that this was the "holy spirit" was confirmed by sociology and psychology courses since there is no testable or provable evidence that there is a God or a "holy spirit"?

Millions of schizophrenics believe that they speak to god. Their psychosis are very, very similar. The only difference between your experience and that of an insane person is that your delusions are not as pronounced and violent.

Note: IceNine wanted me to type that, as he his not available to type at the moment.

AzureStar said:

"schizophrenics" is a term that doctors aka HUMANS gave 2 what we humans have named a disease, in the bible ppl that have such severe dysfunctions as schizophrenia were said to be possessed by a demon... and in reality eye believe that most of these so called "diseases" of the mind are really possessions by the devil...

but when u have the holy spirit u KNOW it because demons will not acknowledge the word of God or confirm his truths

example: matthew 17 14:23 "the healing of a boy with a demon"


please read it 2 b able 2 answer me back



(u know eye don't even know how 2 look 4 things in the bible but 2day all is popping up with no trouble! LOL)

if u don't have a bible find one on the net "Bible Audio" eye think is one of them... =)

RaneStarr said:

Try explaining that to a schizophrenic, love.

eye believe that we have been socialized 2 believe in Science and when we give these big names 2 these dysfunctions we fail 2 consider that Science might be the study of the cr8tivty of God eye believe God cre8ted the human body and how it functions, humans therefore study the body and come 2 conclusions as 2 how we work.