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PrintableIn my opinion this issue does not need to be addressed as it not the topic of discussion.[/quote]
Well don't jump on me making me out to be a bad guy! I'm not American nor am i black, and i'm sure not a racist.I'd like to see equality all over the board, Men, women, race, sexuality and disability, just not to the detriment of anyone else. does Farrakan want that? something tells me not.[/quote] No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. Now if you wish to make a comment on the question at hand, I see not problem in addressing it myself. "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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Thecherryloon said: In my opinion this issue does not need to be addressed as it not the topic of discussion. Well don't jump on me making me out to be a bad guy! I'm not American nor am i black, and i'm sure not a racist.I'd like to see equality all over the board, Men, women, race, sexuality and disability, just not to the detriment of anyone else. does Farrakan want that? something tells me not.[/quote] I'm not trying to make you out to be anything.All i did was ask questions,you gave the answers.I think Farrakan wants equality in the world.Only HE knows for sure what goes on in his mind.The rest of us must deal with "what if's" | |
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SweeTea said: In my opinion this issue does not need to be addressed as it not the topic of discussion.
Well don't jump on me making me out to be a bad guy! I'm not American nor am i black, and i'm sure not a racist.I'd like to see equality all over the board, Men, women, race, sexuality and disability, just not to the detriment of anyone else. does Farrakan want that? something tells me not.[/quote] No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. Now if you wish to make a comment on the question at hand, I see not problem in addressing it myself.[/quote] I already answered your question.first response on your thread. no need to be so dismissive either, unless you'd like to converse with yourself! | |
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ian said: SweeTea said: Maybe I have been asking the wrong questions. Maybe my first question is this:
Does slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, church burnings, segregation, oppresstion, discrimination in jobs/housings, crossing burnings, house burnings, unfair judicial systems, justify one's anger? Hmm this is another question entirely and strictly speaking is off-topic. However... Yes of course it does justify anger, but there is no justification for racism. Why is this off topic? This is the very root of Mr. Farrakan's statements. He said so himself. He made those comments based on anger. And you just said in the previous quote that this anger is justified. This is why I was defending him. So I ask again, why is it racists when the perpetrators of this anger are unilaterally white. Is this Mr. Farrakan's fault that they are white? Please answer this question. "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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Thecherryloon said: SweeTea said: In my opinion this issue does not need to be addressed as it not the topic of discussion.
Well don't jump on me making me out to be a bad guy! I'm not American nor am i black, and i'm sure not a racist.I'd like to see equality all over the board, Men, women, race, sexuality and disability, just not to the detriment of anyone else. does Farrakan want that? something tells me not. No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. Now if you wish to make a comment on the question at hand, I see not problem in addressing it myself.[/quote] I already answered your question.first response on your thread. no need to be so dismissive either, unless you'd like to converse with yourself![/quote] Sorry Cherry, but the discussion has progressed since way back then. And I'm not trying to dismiss you, I'm trying go get some straightforward answers to straightforward questions that's all. Forgive me if came off differently. Now, do you care to address the question that is on the the table now? "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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SweeTea said: Why is this off topic? This is the very root of Mr. Farrakan's statements. He said so himself. He made those comments based on anger. And you just said in the previous quote that this anger is justified. You have not (previously) asserted that his statements were based on anger. Explain why you believe that to be so, and perhaps it will relate the discussion at hand more readily. Your original thread was attempting to define "racist" which I believe has been covered 
This is why I was defending him. So I ask again, why is it racists when the perpetrators of this anger are unilaterally white. Is this Mr. Farrakan's fault that they are white? Please answer this question. I answered your previous question in my previous post. As for this new question of yours, I feel that it is phrased somewhat poorly and I don't understand what you are asking. Perhaps you can rewrite it? regards Ian | |
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No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. | |
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ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Yeah he had this, Thecherryloon said: what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. | |
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Racism means I'm judged before I'm even born, not by the content of my character but by what color my parents are. Farrakhan may be angry, he may even be angry at me...but I swear, I did nothing! I'm innocent!!!
Seriously, treating people as groups instead of individuals is one of the pillars of racism. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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4LOVE said: ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Yeah he had this, Thecherryloon said: what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord. Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] | |
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Thecherryloon said: 4LOVE said: ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Yeah he had this, Thecherryloon said: what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord. Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. Farrakan.What does he want? Try Forty,ever hear of the Civil Rights Movement?People like to think this stuff happened a million years ago but history states otherwise.These things still go on today althought they are harder to "pinpoint".Most people don't stay poor because "they want to".They usually aren't given the "access" to do better.I do understand better what you are trying to say though.I still think you confuse envy with wanting justice. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 17:35:01 PST 2002 by 4LOVE] | |
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4LOVE said: ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Yeah he had this, Thecherryloon said: what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. Oops! Well obviously I meant "everyone" in the loosest possible sense  | |
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ian said: 4LOVE said: ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Yeah he had this, Thecherryloon said: what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. Oops! Well obviously I meant "everyone" in the loosest possible sense hey! i've since explained myself.  | |
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Thecherryloon said: Thecherryloon said:
what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord.
Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Do you honestly believe that those who talk of the past etc in aspects of what is going on in the present are lazy about doing things for their future or envious? And your description of examing it as "moaning and groaning" speaks volumes. It has become fashionable to now say that whenever the past is brought up, its "moaning and groaning pull yourself up by the bootstraps" as if there is no doscrimination practices that are still held and that those who discuss it are hanging on to the past, just sitting there crying over their situation .. That and saying "oh now the race card"...pfft.The only "chord" struck was the stupid mutherfucker chord. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 14:05:06 PST 2002 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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ian said: SweeTea said: Why is this off topic? This is the very root of Mr. Farrakan's statements. He said so himself. He made those comments based on anger. And you just said in the previous quote that this anger is justified. You have not (previously) asserted that his statements were based on anger. Explain why you believe that to be so, and perhaps it will relate the discussion at hand more readily.
Well, because I have seen him speak on the subject before and have heard with my own ears. He appears regularly on cable in Chicago. I've seen him reach out to the white and Jewish community and try to make amends. Can anyone here say the same? Your original thread was attempting to define "racist" which I believe has been covered
If you go back and read my comments when I originally posted this thread you will see that the "jist" of the thread was why am I a racist in defending Mr. Farrakan. If we do not delve into Mr. Farrakan (i.e. his comments both past & present, his current agenda) how can we determine whether he's a racist or not Now if you decide that these two matters cannot be discussed in the same thread, well, hey, you the moderator, do what you have to do. This is why I was defending him. So I ask again, why is it racists when the perpetrators of this anger are unilaterally white. Is this Mr. Farrakan's fault that they are white? Please answer this question. I answered your previous question in my previous post. As for this new question of yours, I feel that it is phrased somewhat poorly and I don't understand what you are asking. Perhaps you can rewrite it? regards Ian I will be happy to rewrite it. Which part don't you understand? "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Then he says... Hmm this is another question entirely and strictly speaking is off-topic. However... Yes of course it does justify anger, but there is no justification for racism.
Which is it Ian? Are we allowed off topics or not? "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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rdhull said: Thecherryloon said: Thecherryloon said:
what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord.
Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Do you honestly believe that those who talk of the past etc in aspects of what is going on in the present are lazy about doing things for their future or envious? And your description of examing it as "moaning and groaning" speaks volumes. It has become fashionable to now say that whenever the past is brought up, its "moaning and groaning pull yourself up by the bootstraps" as if there is no doscrimination practices that are still held and that those who discuss it are hanging on to the past, just sitting there crying over their situation .. That and saying "oh now the race card"...pfft.The only "chord" struck was the stupid mutherfucker chord. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 14:05:06 PST 2002 by rdhull] I note how you have nothing to say about my last sentence.I've not mentioned the 'racecard' at all.As for discrimination, i've been passed up for jobs in favour of less qualified people, because in England you have to have your quota of people from an ethnic background.it works both ways. | |
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rdhull said: Thecherryloon said: Thecherryloon said:
what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord.
Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Do you honestly believe that those who talk of the past etc in aspects of what is going on in the present are lazy about doing things for their future or envious? And your description of examing it as "moaning and groaning" speaks volumes. It has become fashionable to now say that whenever the past is brought up, its "moaning and groaning pull yourself up by the bootstraps" as if there is no doscrimination practices that are still held and that those who discuss it are hanging on to the past, just sitting there crying over their situation .. That and saying "oh now the race card"...pfft.The only "chord" struck was the stupid mutherfucker chord. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 14:05:06 PST 2002 by rdhull] You are so right! "Run, run, run, but you sho can't hide" -- Temptations. It's easier for some people to ignore the truth than face it and deal with it. They try to cover the truth with excuses. But this is not the answer because the truth cannot be buried in bullshit. No matter how hard some may try to EVADE it! "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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SweeTea said: ian said: SweeTea said: Why is this off topic? This is the very root of Mr. Farrakan's statements. He said so himself. He made those comments based on anger. And you just said in the previous quote that this anger is justified. You have not (previously) asserted that his statements were based on anger. Explain why you believe that to be so, and perhaps it will relate the discussion at hand more readily.
Well, because I have seen him speak on the subject before and have heard with my own ears. He appears regularly on cable in Chicago. I've seen him reach out to the white and Jewish community and try to make amends. Can anyone here say the same? Your original thread was attempting to define "racist" which I believe has been covered
If you go back and read my comments when I originally posted this thread you will see that the "jist" of the thread was why am I a racist in defending Mr. Farrakan. If we do not delve into Mr. Farrakan (i.e. his comments both past & present, his current agenda) how can we determine whether he's a racist or not Now if you decide that these two matters cannot be discussed in the same thread, well, hey, you the moderator, do what you have to do. This is why I was defending him. So I ask again, why is it racists when the perpetrators of this anger are unilaterally white. Is this Mr. Farrakan's fault that they are white? Please answer this question. I answered your previous question in my previous post. As for this new question of yours, I feel that it is phrased somewhat poorly and I don't understand what you are asking. Perhaps you can rewrite it? regards Ian I will be happy to rewrite it. Which part don't you understand? This bit here: "So I ask again, why is it racists when the perpetrators of this anger are unilaterally white. Is this Mr. Farrakan's fault that they are white? Please answer this question." | |
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Thecherryloon said: 4LOVE said: ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Yeah he had this, Thecherryloon said: what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord. Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Harking back 100-150 years? Do you know that black people have been oppressed in the USA ever since the slave trade? And that oppression didn't end 100 or 150 years ago. The remnants of this oppression carries on today in discrimination. My brother works for a law firm and he works with discrimantion cases left and right. He handle many cases in which there have been conscious efforts to discriminate. Bigotry and racism is spread all across the spectrum and it is no different today than it was in the civil rights era. IT WORKS IN A DIFFERENT FORM TODAY. _______________________________________________________________________________________ You can hate me for who I am, cuz I won't be something that i'm not. | |
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SweeTea said: ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Then he says... Hmm this is another question entirely and strictly speaking is off-topic. However... Yes of course it does justify anger, but there is no justification for racism.
Which is it Ian? Are we allowed off topics or not? I perceive no contradiction in my statements. Keep it on-topic please. As I said above: ian said: You have not (previously) asserted that his statements were based on anger. Explain why you believe that to be so, and perhaps it will relate the discussion at hand more readily. Your original thread was attempting to define "racist" which I believe has been covered | |
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SweeTea said: rdhull said: Thecherryloon said: Thecherryloon said:
what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord.
Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Do you honestly believe that those who talk of the past etc in aspects of what is going on in the present are lazy about doing things for their future or envious? And your description of examing it as "moaning and groaning" speaks volumes. It has become fashionable to now say that whenever the past is brought up, its "moaning and groaning pull yourself up by the bootstraps" as if there is no doscrimination practices that are still held and that those who discuss it are hanging on to the past, just sitting there crying over their situation .. That and saying "oh now the race card"...pfft.The only "chord" struck was the stupid mutherfucker chord. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 14:05:06 PST 2002 by rdhull] You are so right! "Run, run, run, but you sho can't hide" -- Temptations. It's easier for some people to ignore the truth than face it and deal with it. They try to cover the truth with excuses. But this is not the answer because the truth cannot be buried in bullshit. No matter how hard some may try to EVADE it! you evaded this - I note how you have nothing to say about my last sentence.I've not mentioned the 'racecard' at all.As for discrimination, i've been passed up for jobs in favour of less qualified people, because in England you have to have your quota of people from an ethnic background in employment.it works both ways. ...same goes for social security and housing.We are always having alot of trouble over here.we have race riots in the North of England all the time, mainly between Nationalist whites and the Pakistani community.Illegal Asylum seekers are a huge political problem here. | |
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SweeTea said: IceNine said: SweeTea said: Maybe I have been asking the wrong questions. Maybe my first question is this:
Does slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, church burnings, segregation, oppresstion, discrimination in jobs/housings, crossing burnings, house burnings, unfair judicial systems, justify one's anger? It justified anger, yes... but it does not justify hatred of people who were not a part of that injustice... and hating people of a different race is still racism no matter what the reasons for hating them. I'm glad we agree that it justifies anger. Now my next question is: Who initiated this things? My best friend was beaten then murdered by a group of blacks. He was white, and killed only because he was white. Am I justified to be angry? Absolutely. Am I justified to hate all blacks or consider all blacks murderous criminals? Absolutely not. Same for you SweatTea. Have some whites inflicted pain on the black race? Absolutely. Have some whites helped further equal rights for blacks? Absolutely. Do you have the right to hate all whites because of the bad things, some whites have done. Absolutely not. This is pretty basic stuff. | |
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IceNine said: 2 entries found for racist.
--- rac·ism Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Discrimination or prejudice based on race. --- racist adj. & n. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. --- racist adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion [syn: antiblack, anti-Semitic, anti-Semite(a)] n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others [syn: racialist] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University i plead guilty to being a racist when one goes by the wording i have highlited in Mr.NINEs' post... i am a BAD MAN and my racial bias incompasses all races. i dislike them all, or to put it better, i don't dislike any one group of people any more than another. I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
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AbucahX said: Thecherryloon said: 4LOVE said: ian said: SweeTea said:
No one is making you out to be the bad guy. Who called you that, those words came from your keyboard. You asked for some slack and I think we should give it to you seeing how you have nothing to contribute to the topic at hand. I think everyone has something of value to contribute to a discussion of racism. Yeah he had this, Thecherryloon said: what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord. Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Harking back 100-150 years? Do you know that black people have been oppressed in the USA ever since the slave trade? And that oppression didn't end 100 or 150 years ago. The remnants of this oppression carries on today in discrimination. My brother works for a law firm and he works with discrimantion cases left and right. He handle many cases in which there have been conscious efforts to discriminate. Bigotry and racism is spread all across the spectrum and it is no different today than it was in the civil rights era. IT WORKS IN A DIFFERENT FORM TODAY. As i've stated above discrimination is not exclusive to black people. | |
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Thecherryloon said:[quote] rdhull said: Thecherryloon said: Thecherryloon said:
what you're talking about is envy, i see high powered black men and women everyday.I feel those that moan about the past are too damn lazy to do anything about their future. It must have struck a chord.
Maybe lazy was a bad choice of words, if it was i apologise.I do feel harking back 100-150 years everytime a man feels disatisfied with his lot in life isn't the way forward though.Nor is being envious of other black men who have educated and bettered themselves. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 13:56:42 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Do you honestly believe that those who talk of the past etc in aspects of what is going on in the present are lazy about doing things for their future or envious? And your description of examing it as "moaning and groaning" speaks volumes. It has become fashionable to now say that whenever the past is brought up, its "moaning and groaning pull yourself up by the bootstraps" as if there is no doscrimination practices that are still held and that those who discuss it are hanging on to the past, just sitting there crying over their situation .. That and saying "oh now the race card"...pfft.The only "chord" struck was the stupid mutherfucker chord. [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 14:05:06 PST 2002 by rdhull] I note how you have nothing to say about my last sentence.
ThAts because I dont give a fuck about your last sentence..its only reiterating your obvious stupidity and naivete. As if people who discuss the past and its relevancy to how it has effects still on todays population is made by people who are shiftless is one of the most ignorant(albeit widespread) pieces of bullshit I know--and only certain people make this comment I have found out. It is really quite typical. You also see things happen by memebers of certain groups and perscribe those actions ot be representative of the entire culture as a whole etc... I've not mentioned the 'racecard' at all.
I know you didnt--I borught it up as someting that is said that is basically in context of your thiunking and reaction to race , discrimination etc... As for discrimination, i've been passed up for jobs in favour of less qualified people, because in England you have to have your quota of people from an ethnic background.it works both ways.
oh here WE go...as if all the minorities are taking up ALL the jobs and that they are living high on th e friggin hog...I tried not to get involved but ther was just this one lil cre\ture who was so backwards ased itheir thinking that I had to get caught up lol...The scary thing is Cherry--is that the majority thinks like you do and sees things the way you do and I had to say my peace before shiot got TOO twisted...acunnamatadaaa la la laaa "Climb in my fur." | |
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Thecherryloon said: As i've stated above discrimination is not exclusive to black people.
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ian said:[quote]SweeTea said:[quote] ian said: This bit here: "So I ask again, why is it racists when the perpetrators of this anger are unilaterally white. Is this Mr. Farrakan's fault that they are white? Please answer this question." 1. Perpetrators of the hideous crimes (i.e. slavery, lynchings, oppression, housing discrimination, job discrimination, segregation, Jim Crow laws, share cropping (theivery)) are majority white. Does everyone agree? Do you understand this part? 2. What was Mr. Farrakan's role in recuiting these perpetrators? Do you understand this part? If you need further clarification, I'll attempt to be more clearer. These are the questioned I would like answered. Everyone is welcomed to answer. "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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SweeTea said:[quote]ian said:[quote] SweeTea said: ian said: This bit here: "So I ask again, why is it racists when the perpetrators of this anger are unilaterally white. Is this Mr. Farrakan's fault that they are white? Please answer this question." 1. Perpetrators of the hideous crimes (i.e. slavery, lynchings, oppression, housing discrimination, job discrimination, segregation, Jim Crow laws, share cropping (theivery)) are majority white. Does everyone agree? Do you understand this part? 2. What was Mr. Farrakan's role in recuiting these perpetrators? Do you understand this part? If you need further clarification, I'll attempt to be more clearer. These are the questioned I would like answered. Everyone is welcomed to answer. >>>>> You are really opening yourself up for some nastiness here by justifying hatred against whites because of the deeds of a few. When the PC gloves come off you are going to want to get out of the glass house that you are throwing rocks from.  [This message was edited Sat Nov 2 14:46:06 PST 2002 by 2funkE] | |
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2funkE said: SweeTea said: IceNine said: SweeTea said: Maybe I have been asking the wrong questions. Maybe my first question is this:
Does slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings, church burnings, segregation, oppresstion, discrimination in jobs/housings, crossing burnings, house burnings, unfair judicial systems, justify one's anger? It justified anger, yes... but it does not justify hatred of people who were not a part of that injustice... and hating people of a different race is still racism no matter what the reasons for hating them. My point here is Mr. Farrakan had nothing to do with the fact that systematic racism is mainly perpetrated by whites. How can he control that? He has a right to hate these evil deeds, it is not his fault that they are mainly perpetrated by whites. This is my point. I'm glad we agree that it justifies anger. Now my next question is: Who initiated this things? My best friend was beaten then murdered by a group of blacks. He was white, and killed only because he was white. Am I justified to be angry? Absolutely. Am I justified to hate all blacks or consider all blacks murderous criminals? Absolutely not. Same for you SweatTea. Have some whites inflicted pain on the black race? Absolutely. Have some whites helped further equal rights for blacks? Absolutely. Do you have the right to hate all whites because of the bad things, some whites have done. Absolutely not. This is pretty basic stuff. "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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