okkkkkaaaaay.

I'm not sure which one I find more attractive physically. I would think men.
But there are aspects of women that I find incredible.
Also women just present so many fewer problems then men.

As flirtatious as I can be, and as misbehaved as I've been at times in my life in the past, I'm being awfully judgemental to other men, but we're depraved whores compared to most women.
It's not that women don't want sex all the time. It's not that they don't want to do some pretty kinky stuff. It's that they present themselves with alot more self-respect, restraint, and class, always trying to maintain SOME dignity about it.
Men seem to pride themselves in acting like animals.


I exist in a world where I have been all too comfortable just identifying myself as striaght, and picking and chosing when or if to hope the fence (contrary to popular belief this is not often ), due to many of the afore mentioned factors (cowardice, convinience, and privileage).

You simply don't flaunt an alternative sexuality in my career field. It spells doom for your career even if those around you claim to be tolerant.


This strange twilight zone of sexual energy I seem to exude towards folks seems to get me alot of attention at times. There's a certain type of gay man that seems to absolutely go for me--it's usually one who's dealing with a good deal of repression about being gay. I've had gay men in my life "come out" to just me and me alone, making promise to take their secret to my grave.

And then I've had GHEY gay men find me either repressed or irrisistable depending on where they are on their journey--and I'm starting to realize it really is a journy for those who identify themselves are being purely gay.

Ultimately, if I could pick and chose those that I would rather be with, I'd probably pick women. All the complications that come with a 'hetero' relationship are dwarfed, in my opinion, of what comes with a gay relationship. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about that.




That being said, I've never had to think about or express my attraction towards other men. Nor , for cowardly reasons mostly, or for convinience, had to contemplate a true relationship with another man.
I still look at other men as competition. I still find other men , especially strong, alpha males, as a threat or something to be 'dealt with'. Not exactly a good recipe for romance So even in my mid 30s I've never had to 'come out' so to speak about this aspect of my life. Repressed? Yeah. sure. Confused? I guess so. Sad, and cowardly? You bet.

But I've said this before on my myspace blogs. I may be a full grown man who is working on climbinb the corporate later, setting up a house, planning for retirement, etc. etc. But emotionally, I'm still just a boy. I'm still just an ill tempered, vain, often frightenned little boy. I've built such an emotional shell around me through years of conditioning that I don't identify with this or that sexual orientation at all.

Yes, I can come off as suprisingly masculine, but it's because I've deliberately done this. It's like I'm trying to strike a balance between fem (hair, etc. etc.) and butch (my voice, etc.) that I appear confused and repressed. I confuse everyone around me. All the time. And at times I love it. At others, I realize how alone I've been, even around my closest friends.

I'm out of place. If you were to stick me in a group of gay men, I would view them with odd fascination, some adoration, but a bit of discomfort--I don't exist in that world except to get my feet wet or ass licked

Stick me in a group of straight men, and I have a blast... until they start talking about marriage, or kids, etc. etc. Then I get a bit uncomfortable.

Stick me in a group of bi-sexual men (and when I was in the military my two closes male friends were bi believe it or not) and I get uncomfortable as well. Most folks who label themselves bisexual (if indeed they REALLY are), are very promiscous and sexual. I know it's a stereotype but they are. And I've never been one who went to nightclubs simply looking to score--though it happenned from time to time.



That being said, I'm currently madly in love with a man. And I've never felt this much in love. Like , ever. There, I said it.




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[Edited 5/13/08 13:33pm]

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

What's there to be bravo about ?


It kills me that of all the gay men I met on the org, only Muse and Carrie's gaydars were set off.

in the words of the fabulous linda la hughes:

"there's no such thing as bisexual, it's just greed"

I found an air freshener for you Dan


http://www.merch-bot.com/...cts_id=932

Imago said:

You're kidding me right?

JerseyKRS said:

Some of my gayest conversations ever have been with you on yahoo chat.



Before folks start stalking Chris, I don't mean we were talking about buttfucking and cock sucking each other
But talking hair products is gay isn't it?

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

What's there to be bravo about ?


It kills me that of all the gay men I met on the org, only Muse and Carrie's gaydars were set off.

And I wasn't trying to be 'butch' by any means. Orgers are folks I am completely comfortable being myself around. This sounds so damned stupid, but I've grown up a bit due to the org

Imago said:

I think you're butch, but I read you a long long time ago.

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I'm totally not phising for compliments here as I'm not a bif fan of 'butch'. I'm more a fan of balance. Extremes to either end are not my thing, though I don't think they're bad--just not my thing.
But I don't view myself as butch... Just average. You won't catch me wooting it up over a football game... Well, unless the Bucks make it to the playoffs.

IstenSzek said:

SOme women have a hard time with bisexual men.

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

I'm totally not phising for compliments here as I'm not a bif fan of 'butch'. I'm more a fan of balance. Extremes to either end are not my thing, though I don't think they're bad--just not my thing.
But I don't view myself as butch... Just average. You won't catch me wooting it up over a football game... Well, unless the Bucks make it to the playoffs.

superspaceboy said:

she's a sitcom character

okkkkkaaaaay.

I'm not sure which one I find more attractive physically. I would think men.
But there are aspects of women that I find incredible.
Also women just present so many fewer problems then men.

As flirtatious as I can be, and as misbehaved as I've been at times in my life in the past, I'm being awfully judgemental to other men, but we're depraved whores compared to most women.
It's not that women don't want sex all the time. It's not that they don't want to do some pretty kinky stuff. It's that they present themselves with alot more self-respect, restraint, and class, always trying to maintain SOME dignity about it.
Men seem to pride themselves in acting like animals.


I exist in a world where I have been all too comfortable just identifying myself as striaght, and picking and chosing when or if to hope the fence (contrary to popular belief this is not often ), due to many of the afore mentioned factors (cowardice, convinience, and privileage).

You simply don't flaunt an alternative sexuality in my career field. It spells doom for your career even if those around you claim to be tolerant.


This strange twilight zone of sexual energy I seem to exude towards folks seems to get me alot of attention at times. There's a certain type of gay man that seems to absolutely go for me--it's usually one who's dealing with a good deal of repression about being gay. I've had gay men in my life "come out" to just me and me alone, making promise to take their secret to my grave.

And then I've had GHEY gay men find me either repressed or irrisistable depending on where they are on their journey--and I'm starting to realize it really is a journy for those who identify themselves are being purely gay.

Ultimately, if I could pick and chose those that I would rather be with, I'd probably pick women. All the complications that come with a 'hetero' relationship are dwarfed, in my opinion, of what comes with a gay relationship. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about that.




That being said, I've never had to think about or express my attraction towards other men. Nor , for cowardly reasons mostly, or for convinience, had to contemplate a true relationship with another man.
I still look at other men as competition. I still find other men , especially strong, alpha males, as a threat or something to be 'dealt with'. Not exactly a good recipe for romance So even in my mid 30s I've never had to 'come out' so to speak about this aspect of my life. Repressed? Yeah. sure. Confused? I guess so. Sad, and cowardly? You bet.

But I've said this before on my myspace blogs. I may be a full grown man who is working on climbinb the corporate later, setting up a house, planning for retirement, etc. etc. But emotionally, I'm still just a boy. I'm still just an ill tempered, vain, often frightenned little boy. I've built such an emotional shell around me through years of conditioning that I don't identify with this or that sexual orientation at all.

Yes, I can come off as suprisingly masculine, but it's because I've deliberately done this. It's like I'm trying to strike a balance between fem (hair, etc. etc.) and butch (my voice, etc.) that I appear confused and repressed. I confuse everyone around me. All the time. And at times I love it. At others, I realize how alone I've been, even around my closest friends.

I'm out of place. If you were to stick me in a group of gay men, I would view them with odd fascination, some adoration, but a bit of discomfort--I don't exist in that world except to get my feet wet or ass licked

Stick me in a group of straight men, and I have a blast... until they start talking about marriage, or kids, etc. etc. Then I get a bit uncomfortable.

Stick me in a group of bi-sexual men (and when I was in the military my two closes male friends were bi believe it or not) and I get uncomfortable as well. Most folks who label themselves bisexual (if indeed they REALLY are), are very promiscous and sexual. I know it's a stereotype but they are. And I've never been one who went to nightclubs simply looking to score--though it happenned from time to time.



That being said, I'm currently madly in love with a man. And I've never felt this much in love. Like , ever. There, I said it.




.
[Edited 5/13/08 13:33pm]

Imago said:

look, i don't have time to read all that so i'm just gonna go ahead and make broad assumptions based on your avatar pic.

I do believe most gay men find women attractive and most women also find women attractive. Does that mean we're all bi or that women are really attractive?

Personally, if i love someone, it does matter if they are male, female, etc..if love is there, is all that matters.

lol. i guess i am pansexual..

I do believe most gay men find women attractive and most women also find women attractive. Does that mean we're all bi or that women are really attractive?

NDRU said:

i think the opposite applies as well regarding the attractiveness of men, even if you don't think such an attitude applies to you personally.

i do think we're all basically bi to some extent, though i think that's a really simplistic way of stating it. i think we have our capabilities, i think we have our preferences, and i think we also have our reflexive/respnosive attractions, which sometimes take unexpected forms. it's what we do with all those impulses and preferences that inform who we are and who we choose to do the dirty wiggle with. two people could be avowed heterosexuals, and they could have completely different views of their sexual preference to the extent that they maybe wouldn't even consider each other part of the same category of sexual preference, you know?

baroque said:

i feel the same way, but i'm also not averse to letting society hang a label on me. at the end of the day, i believe we fall in love with souls and energies and spirits and all that bullcrap, but i also think our base instincts lead us to certain physical types, whether they be male/female or masculine/feminine extremes of either or both physical genders or whatever. so if i allow myself to fall into a life where my attraction has some kind of physical exclusivity (as in, i've dated 100% males since I was 18 years old, lol) then I don't mind having the "if it swims like a gay and it quacks like a gay, then it must be a duck" rule applied to the way people define me. i've been called worse!

NDRU said:

You can find someone attractive, good looking, and not be turned on by them. That's why I have issues when some straight guys say they can't tell if a guy is good looking or not.

I think people are drawn to each other. And you're right, it's more complicated than "we're all bi." There's a difference between catching someone's eye or their respect vs. stirring their loins.

Just as I've never wanted sex w/ a man, I've read numerous times on the org of a gay man's repulsion with vaginas. But I still believe they find women attractive on the whole (no pun intended), and verse vica.

I think most are bisexual in nature but end up leaning one way or another based on conditions and desires.

What are your thoughts on this? Do you think there is such a thing or that people are simply confused? Are you Bi? If so do you like both equally or do you prefer one gender over another?

Dan?

I think most are bisexual in nature but end up leaning one way or another based on conditions and desires.

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

yes, absolutely. I think they are scared to admit that of course they can tell if a man is good looking!

I also think that (and this may become controversial) that many gay men & women are still attracted to the opposite sex, and that may be part of the reason you see what appears to be "sexual roles" in a relationship. Like one woman seems much more masculine than the other. In many lesbian relationships I have witnessed, the more feminine woman may come from a history of dating men, or may go back to it. So it's not surprising that her choice in a woman is masculine. I suppose that would fall under the bi category, but sometimes I wonder.

I hope I'm not offending anyone, I'm not judging, I'm just thinking aloud and this seems like the thread to do it.
[Edited 5/13/08 15:59pm]

I think most are bisexual in nature but end up leaning one way or another based on conditions and desires.

What are your thoughts on this? Do you think there is such a thing or that people are simply confused? Are you Bi? If so do you like both equally or do you prefer one gender over another?

Dan?