littlemissG said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

She could wear that to a club, walking down the street or whatever but the school had rules about how appropriate dress.


I'm so tired of our young women thinking that hooker gear is "sexy" and appropriate. If you called them a hoe, they'd cuz you out.


Its just awful. To be honest, I had to pay more for a classier dress for my daughter. The less expensive dresses....were more hoochified.

littlemissG said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

I'm not so sure thats always the case now-a-days...there are some uber shitty parents out there, no doubt, but there are some uber shitty kids coming from good homes with good parents...
parents have limited control over outside influences and to be frank, there aren't nearly enough positive influences for kids (especially teens)...MTV is basically a teenage fuckfest, alot of popular music is about getting fucked up, getting fucked and being as disrespectful as possible...
Most decent parents keep close tabs on what their kids are doing at home and ask questions about what they're doing when they're not at home...but as a parent, I can honestly say it's absolutely impossible to control what kids are exposed to once they leave the home...my son is only in third grade and the shit he tells me that he hears at school is astounding...

there's a bigger issue than just "home training" here...there was a time when people felt a responsibilty for and atleast a minimal respect for each other...I can't even go out to eat with my kids without them hearing some jackass at the next table being as foul and as loud as possible...I'm not all kumbaya and shit but it would cause drastic changes if folks would just show common decency and respect...

so, in some cases-yeah,the parents can carry the brunt of the blame but thats not always the case and honestly it gets a little old hearing that presented as the only reason kids are fucking up...

roodboi said:

u are smart some days huh

roodboi said:

I disagree. Something is usually off somewhere. I'm not saying that they are bad people, just that something usually triggers bad behaviour in kids. Absolutely outside influences come into play and but I am a firm believer that a good foundation wins over those influences at the end of the day.

And I do agree that times are different just as you said, but again, I think it's just a general attitude that most people have - kids and parents alike.

JustErin said:

shut up...you broke your kids elbow....

roodboi said:

I did not!

I dislocated it.

Somewhere along the line, this girl was taught by someone that she needn't respect authority. Or worse, that no one has authority over her. That is why she felt the dress policy didn't apply to her. That is why she felt entitled to attend the prom even though she didn't abide by the policy. That is why she felt the police had no right to remove her - even when she caused a disruption that threatened to ruin the fun of her classmates.

And if that doesn't start at home...when kids are knee high...where does it start?

Genesia said:

Exactly.

roodboi said:

Music these days...
What's so damn cool about calling women 'hoes' and glorifying violence?

Genesia said:

Excellent point. There seems to be many people, both young and older that do not respect anyone and think they can do anything and are above the laws or rules. I see it everyday and I'm sure you all do too.

JustErin said:

it should start at home...sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't....

I think some of the problem lies in that parents are at a point where all they can do is provide the right influence and direction and hope that the kids makes the right decision when they're own their own...more and more, kids are making stupid decisions in spite of what they're taught...and it seems like those stupid decisions are almost glamorized, this story being a good example...they practically made her a victim because she made a stupid decision...

roodboi said:

All we are saying is that when it doesn't start at home things like this happen.

I am so glad I have all boys

JustErin said:

well no shit...

we're saying the same thing...

roodboi said:

Well, yes...now that you've back peddled and changed your tune.

JustErin said:

have I told you how your avatar reminds me of the lead singer of HEART???

roodboi said:

Fat or skinny version?



vs

FuNkeNsteiN said:

The thing is I actually saw the pics of the dress that accompanied written articles before I saw the CNN footage here. You can't help BUT see how flimsy the emsembleis, it's really THAT blatant.

But anyhoo, yes proms are DEFINITELY that formal , it's a formal, private party from your school to celebarate your commencement, including dancing and often dinner. I don't know what the younger generation is doing for prom these days, but I remember my prom as having a formal sit-down dinner, and being in a private school we all were required to wear white regulation debutante gowns and were gifted with a bouquet of lilacs to lug around for schoolphoto-ops for an entire day. Even if you aren't in a private school in the US, the prom ritual is still a bit like a "mini-ball" for teenagers, a very formalized right of passage to commence your going from high school into the adult world, be it heading off to the working world or to University. Young men are in formal tuxes or "smoking jackets", and the young girl wears her best ball gown, although tea length dresses are accepatable as well for senior prom. It's true that junior proms are more on the semi-formal side with shorter, more trendy dresses being the current standard. But whether they're bought or personally tailored the choice of the senior prom dress is usually a collaborative effort between mom and daughter, and is a very personal, very romantic experience that you look back on with great nostalia when you're older. It's a very Disney-esque Cinderella experience, with your escort gifting you with a posh corsage for the chest or wrist (and in some cases) you returning the flower gift to him in the form of a "boutinier" ....So sorry, FuNk, but flashing titties in the breeze at a teenage formal is not going to work.

That being said, her being denied access does not justify going off and being disruptive since she did not follow the rules for admittance in the first place. She and her folks should have followed clearly defined school outlines for the dress code, she would have not been denied access, and the altercation could have been avoided, period. The dress that was personally "made" if that's how you want to term it, could easily have added a little extra material so that her titties weren't visible, and folks wouldn't be exposed to seeing her coochie when she sat down. I've seen prostitues on the street wearing MORE than that with THE INTENTION of getting johns and giving head to random strangers. Even one little extra meter of fabric placed strategically throughout that dress could have dealt with the indecent exposure issue of the garment, yet still retained "edginess" factor of the dress if that's what she wanted. The original choice was in her or her parent's hands. They decided they didn't want or should not play by the rules of accepted dress for the event, therefore she was denied admittance. If she would have paid attention and followed the prescribed guidelines in the first damned place this wouldn't even be a news story

JustErin said:

did I say Heart??

I meant The Cars...

roodboi said:

Hopefully I can score a hot wife too!

roodboi said:

x a million

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Yeah, unless she was really getting out of hand (which maybe she was??)
Handcuffs are a bit extreme.

She shoulda just took her naked ass home and changed

Ok um..wow. This reminds me of my prom days. I went to an all girls high school. We (well, they. I'm a big girl...lol.) had limits on what we could wear. Things that showed tons of skin--especially revealing or "teaser" dresses were o-u-t. Nevertheless, I STILL had girls coming up to me and asking me to sketch designs like this for them. (At 10 bucks a pop per drawing, I wasn't going to say no. I wouldn't get in trouble for their ideas. I only suggested they make cute little cover ups to hide.) Nevertheless, the dresses were NOT like hers. That's just the line, you know? It's one thing to want to look cute. Another,when you're trying to show off the "goodies" (teeny tiny as they are.) and being an adult. They didn't have to cuff her, BUT she should have put on something a tad more subtle. It makes me wonder where her mother was in all this with the dressmaking and purchase. I dunno. Maybe SHE thought this was cute. Even if I were that size, I'd know better. But then again, my family, ESPECIALLY the women in my life taught me much better. Ladies don't wear things like that to formal events. I wish my aunt could have gotten ahold of her. Honeychild wouldn't have even made it past the bedroom door in that.
I keep telling people about trying to justify the means of girls/children like this. You can't do that! How hard would it have been to go home and change? She would have if she WANTED to. Again, trying to show off and out. No child of mine is going to be dressing like that. My little darlings will be cute, and beautiful. A little sexy but no so much where it's obvious what they want to be seen.

Kudos to all the org mamas and the good mamas worldwide who keep their daughters in classy, thoughtful, respective check.

Ottensen said:

Ah, I see. Thanks for the info
...oh and thanks for taking the time to write all that