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HALP! Which image do you perceive as more immediately sinister/find more disturbing overall? Why?
Last Judgment 
or Death and the Maiden 
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ooooh!!! 
oh my god that second one sends chills up and down my spine i'm in LOVE with it! who's the artist? i want to know more! more! the first one i've seen in class before, norther european renaissance i think? i'm probs wrong, i suck @ art history 
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sammij said: ooooh!!!
oh my god that second one sends chills up and down my spine i'm in LOVE with it! who's the artist? i want to know more! more! the first one i've seen in class before, norther european renaissance i think? i'm probs wrong, i suck @ art history
info! the first one's bosch, the second hans baldung grien i'm trying to throw together my northern ren paper on them and i wanted the average person's perspectives.  | |
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first one looks like a depiction of hell, right? so all the folks there are deserving of their fate.
I find it disturbing that Jesus is sitting up there WATCHING all the suffering. He is probably suffering too, but he should be crying or something. The bottom painting is just plain creepy  The lady is truly terrified. I don't believe from looking at it that she is in danger for her life though, the lechy skeleton guy doesn't look grim reaperish enough. | |
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evenstar3 said: sammij said: ooooh!!!
oh my god that second one sends chills up and down my spine i'm in LOVE with it! who's the artist? i want to know more! more! the first one i've seen in class before, norther european renaissance i think? i'm probs wrong, i suck @ art history
info! the first one's bosch, the second hans baldung grien i'm trying to throw together my northern ren paper on them and i wanted the average person's perspectives. grien, i've never heard of him! 
*goes for a search* i think it's sublime how the painting communicates the romance of death to the viewer... i really truly love that painting, the colours and the composition, the emotion
the first one is your typical "judgement day" type of scene  been there, done that kind of thing
i guess it's not really an average person's perspective but a fellow art student's perspective... 
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sammij said: evenstar3 said: the first one's bosch, the second hans baldung grien i'm trying to throw together my northern ren paper on them and i wanted the average person's perspectives. grien, i've never heard of him!
*goes for a search* i think it's sublime how the painting communicates the romance of death to the viewer... i really truly love that painting, the colours and the composition, the emotion
the first one is your typical "judgement day" type of scene been there, done that kind of thing
i guess it's not really an average person's perspective but a fellow art student's perspective...
sorry, it's in my blood now grien is AWESOME. | |
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ZombieKitten said: first one looks like a depiction of hell, right? so all the folks there are deserving of their fate.
I find it disturbing that Jesus is sitting up there WATCHING all the suffering. He is probably suffering too, but he should be crying or something. The bottom painting is just plain creepy The lady is truly terrified. I don't believe from looking at it that she is in danger for her life though, the lechy skeleton guy doesn't look grim reaperish enough.thanks!! the top one is a last judgment scene, so it's a hell-on-earth type of thing. | |
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evenstar3 said: sammij said: grien, i've never heard of him!
*goes for a search* i think it's sublime how the painting communicates the romance of death to the viewer... i really truly love that painting, the colours and the composition, the emotion
the first one is your typical "judgement day" type of scene been there, done that kind of thing
i guess it's not really an average person's perspective but a fellow art student's perspective...
sorry, it's in my blood now grien is AWESOME. dude, i totally agree, i saw that painting and i was like: 
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evenstar3 said: ZombieKitten said: first one looks like a depiction of hell, right? so all the folks there are deserving of their fate.
I find it disturbing that Jesus is sitting up there WATCHING all the suffering. He is probably suffering too, but he should be crying or something. The bottom painting is just plain creepy The lady is truly terrified. I don't believe from looking at it that she is in danger for her life though, the lechy skeleton guy doesn't look grim reaperish enough.thanks!! the top one is a last judgment scene, so it's a hell-on-earth type of thing. skeletor is devouring the lady, but his hands hold her so gently! | |
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ZombieKitten said: evenstar3 said: thanks!! the top one is a last judgment scene, so it's a hell-on-earth type of thing. skeletor is devouring the lady, but his hands hold her so gently! EXACTLY. and that's the beauty of the painting. death can be gentle and seductive as easily as it is horrifying to the point of tears.
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The second one is just a bland depiction of emo sex anxiety.
The first one is more disturbing both because of the apparent cliqueyness of heaven and the unnerving inversion of hell and purgatory. | |
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sammij said: ZombieKitten said: skeletor is devouring the lady, but his hands hold her so gently! EXACTLY. and that's the beauty of the painting. death can be gentle and seductive as easily as it is horrifying to the point of tears.
i guess i'm the only one that sees that not at all! i just didn't want to give my opinion so the responses wouldn't be influenced | |
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sammij said: ZombieKitten said: skeletor is devouring the lady, but his hands hold her so gently! EXACTLY. and that's the beauty of the painting. death can be gentle and seductive as easily as it is horrifying to the point of tears.
i guess i'm the only one that sees that
the state of being dead is often tempting but if you believe in a hellish afterlife it would be a terrifying notion. A friend of mine told me her mother had a near death experience during a minor surgical procedure. What she saw has scared her so much she is now doing everything she can to stay on earth as long as she can  poor lady. | |
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2the9s said: The second one is just a bland depiction of emo sex anxiety.
The first one is more disturbing both because of the apparent cliqueyness of heaven and the unnerving inversion of hell and purgatory. my objection to it also | |
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evenstar3 said: sammij said: EXACTLY. and that's the beauty of the painting. death can be gentle and seductive as easily as it is horrifying to the point of tears.
i guess i'm the only one that sees that not at all! i just didn't want to give my opinion so the responses wouldn't be influenced  whoops!  [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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also consider this with the grien painting.
there is a HUGE juxtaposition in the idea of life and death we see the depiction of love/romance/sex (grouping them together because it makes sense in this case) which of course is the beginning stages of a new life (procreation) *however* it's faced with the idea of death which is the "end" of life, so to speak this could actually be a telling painting of the transition into a new life, a next life, or as charlotte mentioned, an afterlife. 
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sammij said: also consider this with the grien painting.
there is a HUGE juxtaposition in the idea of life and death we see the depiction of love/romance/sex (grouping them together because it makes sense in this case) which of course is the beginning stages of a new life (procreation) *however* it's faced with the idea of death which is the "end" of life, so to speak this could actually be a telling painting of the transition into a new life, a next life, or as charlotte mentioned, an afterlife.
wow, laurel, now you've got me started 
i love it!! and i know the feeling, trust me | |
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glad i could halp! 
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2nd one!  | |
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evenstar3 said: sammij said: also consider this with the grien painting.
there is a HUGE juxtaposition in the idea of life and death we see the depiction of love/romance/sex (grouping them together because it makes sense in this case) which of course is the beginning stages of a new life (procreation) *however* it's faced with the idea of death which is the "end" of life, so to speak this could actually be a telling painting of the transition into a new life, a next life, or as charlotte mentioned, an afterlife.
wow, laurel, now you've got me started
i love it!! and i know the feeling, trust me so the uncertain transition is fatally terrifying - who knows what it will be like to tend to skeletor's spawn in the eternal afterlife | |
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ZombieKitten said: evenstar3 said:
i love it!! and i know the feeling, trust me so the uncertain transition is fatally terrifying - who knows what it will be like to tend to skeletor's spawn in the eternal afterlife well that's one side to it... [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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sammij said: ZombieKitten said: so the uncertain transition is fatally terrifying - who knows what it will be like to tend to skeletor's spawn in the eternal afterlife well that's one side to it... that would be the worst thing I could imagine being a slave to beasts I birthed myself
wait a second 
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hell is what you make it j/k [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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I don't find either of them sinister. But I find the first one more disturbing overall because of the subject matter (religious propoganda). The second one depicts more emotion, imo. | |
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im no art expert, but the 1st one is too busy 4 me.
The second one  seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before   | |
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evenstar3 said: Which image do you perceive as more immediately sinister/find more disturbing overall? Why?
Last Judgment
or Death and the Maiden
thanks
[Edited 5/17/08 19:53pm] what a brilliant thread ive often wondered-the 2nd one she looks terrified-how would the artist capture that look of terror do you think he had to constantly terrify his model??!! amazing eh? i love those pics | |
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i love it when people see a great painting and they get their pretentious caps on and start discussing dichotomies and blahdy blahs!
if its good-its good! | |
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evenstar3 said: ZombieKitten said: first one looks like a depiction of hell, right? so all the folks there are deserving of their fate.
I find it disturbing that Jesus is sitting up there WATCHING all the suffering. He is probably suffering too, but he should be crying or something. The bottom painting is just plain creepy The lady is truly terrified. I don't believe from looking at it that she is in danger for her life though, the lechy skeleton guy doesn't look grim reaperish enough.thanks!! the top one is a last judgment scene, so it's a hell-on-earth type of thing. can you scan some more? | |
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jonylawson said: i love it when people see a great painting and they get their pretentious caps on and start discussing dichotomies and blahdy blahs!
if its good-its good! hi, art history student, that's what we do. sorry it bothers you.
they aren't scans, you can find more like this by looking up bosch and grien at http://www.wga.hu/ | |
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evenstar3 said: jonylawson said: i love it when people see a great painting and they get their pretentious caps on and start discussing dichotomies and blahdy blahs!
if its good-its good! hi, art history student, that's what we do. sorry it bothers you.
they aren't scans, you can find more like this by looking up bosch and grien at http://www.wga.hu/ i didnt mean you at all | |
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