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PrintableCarrieLee said: Sammi everything happens for a reason, I know it's cliche but it's true! There's something better out there for you, even though you may not think so right now. Keep working hard and it'll pay off. Now go have a stiff cocktail!
 i smoked a few bowls instead 
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Adisa said: sammij said: academia sucks major balls.
It really does, and I've been in similar situations as you. The hurt and resentment of academic politics had crippled me academically for 2 years. It's only at this very moment that I'm picking up the pieces and moving on (see my "GRE" thread). Please try not to let this happen to you. As stated you, nor I, have lost talent. But I lost time. Be better than me.
And hang in there. i hope i don't lose any time because of this but if anything i may take a year or two off to just work (as i'm in over my head in dept) thanks [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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ZombieKitten said: I did not get accepted into the degree course I wanted to do, had to accept my second preference, and my BF at the time got into the one I wanted the year after. I could have declined the offer, done the extra TOP year like my bf, and applied again, but I wanted to get it over and done with - I finished with all school 2 years ahead of him, but he got the better qual.
Having said that, down the line many more opportunities present themselves and you just have to take them when they come. They will. 
I wouldn't be going in all confrontational like xplnyrslf is suggesting (and I know she is joking  ) these people may be very helpful to you later down the track!I wouldn't have actually sent that "Dear Jean" letter, (unless I were firmly accepted into a better program, then I'd post it in the school newspaper), But! if you re-read the e-mail Sammi received from Jean, it's pretty bad. I copied and pasted the e-mail to microsoft word, so I could compose a fictional response, and the more I read it, the more offensive it became. The part suggesting she take an advanced drawing class instead.....WOW! Students should be encouraged, not insulted like that. 
On the other hand, it's just as competitve and ugly in the science community. Professors take credit for students work and ideas all too frequently. | |
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sammij said: CalhounSq said: Sorry girlie
I know it feels like hell now but I believe everything happens for a reason
Years ago when I was applying to grad school I didn't get in the first time.  So I went to the school to find out what I needed to do to make myself a more appealing applicant. They told me about some summer classes to take, so I did those. & the next year I applied again, but the program had been frozen (no new applicants) b/c they were revamping it  The THIRD time I applied, I finally got in  & here's what's great about the delay that I couldn't see @ the time - had I got in the first year my class would have been a bunch of assholes who couldn't work together & didn't give a shit about each other, they were snipey bastards. But the class I ended up with the year I got in had some of the most amazing people I've ever met in my LIFE  It was a collaborative field & we all supported each other, respected each others opinions & strengths & it was just a really wonderful learning/growing experience. Most of us keep in touch to this day & try to gather once a year when folks are in town. Many of us have stayed the course & pursued our passions in one way or another...
Now maybe you're not looking for all that friendship/lovey dovey shit but I'm just trying to point out that your path could lead you to something great without you necessarily knowing it. Hang in there & keep pushing, you'll get to where you wanna be  lovey dovey shit
thanks hun , i guess i'm just seeing it as a failiure, i know my parents aren't too happy - eventhough they don't even know what it's for because they've never cared to listen
i think i'll be fine It's NOT a failure - it's the universe directing you to where you're supposed to be. Keep pushin'    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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sammij said: CalhounSq said: Sorry girlie
I know it feels like hell now but I believe everything happens for a reason
Years ago when I was applying to grad school I didn't get in the first time. So I went to the school to find out what I needed to do to make myself a more appealing applicant. They told me about some summer classes to take, so I did those. & the next year I applied again, but the program had been frozen (no new applicants) b/c they were revamping it The THIRD time I applied, I finally got in & here's what's great about the delay that I couldn't see @ the time - had I got in the first year my class would have been a bunch of assholes who couldn't work together & didn't give a shit about each other, they were snipey bastards. But the class I ended up with the year I got in had some of the most amazing people I've ever met in my LIFE It was a collaborative field & we all supported each other, respected each others opinions & strengths & it was just a really wonderful learning/growing experience. Most of us keep in touch to this day & try to gather once a year when folks are in town. Many of us have stayed the course & pursued our passions in one way or another...
Now maybe you're not looking for all that friendship/lovey dovey shit but I'm just trying to point out that your path could lead you to something great without you necessarily knowing it. Hang in there & keep pushing, you'll get to where you wanna be lovey dovey shit
thanks hun , i guess i'm just seeing it as a failiure, i know my parents aren't too happy - eventhough they don't even know what it's for because they've never cared to listen
i think i'll be fine [Edited 5/9/08 21:51pm] seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before   | |
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sammij said: CarrieLee said: Sammi everything happens for a reason, I know it's cliche but it's true! There's something better out there for you, even though you may not think so right now. Keep working hard and it'll pay off. Now go have a stiff cocktail!
i smoked a few bowls instead
thank you !If I read that inappropriate, pompous, academia jargon e-mail again, I'll be smoking a few bowls. That will require my digging through my kids stored stuff to see what I can scavenge.....  | |
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xplnyrslf said: ZombieKitten said: I did not get accepted into the degree course I wanted to do, had to accept my second preference, and my BF at the time got into the one I wanted the year after. I could have declined the offer, done the extra TOP year like my bf, and applied again, but I wanted to get it over and done with - I finished with all school 2 years ahead of him, but he got the better qual.
Having said that, down the line many more opportunities present themselves and you just have to take them when they come. They will.
I wouldn't be going in all confrontational like xplnyrslf is suggesting (and I know she is joking ) these people may be very helpful to you later down the track!I wouldn't have actually sent that "Dear Jean" letter, (unless I were firmly accepted into a better program, then I'd post it in the school newspaper), But! if you re-read the e-mail Sammi received from Jean, it's pretty bad. I copied and pasted the e-mail to microsoft word, so I could compose a fictional response, and the more I read it, the more offensive it became. The part suggesting she take an advanced drawing class instead.....WOW! Students should be encouraged, not insulted like that.
On the other hand, it's just as competitve and ugly in the science community. Professors take credit for students work and ideas all too frequently. I KNOW!!
So maybe Sammi does the drawing class, and whatever else she can possibly do as well according to them, and then come fully armed in response to the next time there is an opportunity too good not to throw herself at. She doesn't have to stoop to their level. She can turn the other cheek and at the same time be like a sponge and absorb everything there is to learn. She will have her comeuppance in a while, you'll see | |
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ZombieKitten said: xplnyrslf said: I wouldn't have actually sent that "Dear Jean" letter, (unless I were firmly accepted into a better program, then I'd post it in the school newspaper), But! if you re-read the e-mail Sammi received from Jean, it's pretty bad. I copied and pasted the e-mail to microsoft word, so I could compose a fictional response, and the more I read it, the more offensive it became. The part suggesting she take an advanced drawing class instead.....WOW! Students should be encouraged, not insulted like that.
On the other hand, it's just as competitve and ugly in the science community. Professors take credit for students work and ideas all too frequently. I KNOW!!
So maybe Sammi does the drawing class, and whatever else she can possibly do as well according to them, and then come fully armed in response to the next time there is an opportunity too good not to throw herself at. She doesn't have to stoop to their level. She can turn the other cheek and at the same time be like a sponge and absorb everything there is to learn. She will have her comeuppance in a while, you'll see I was working on a BFA 20 years ago, and all I needed was a few more classes. Then my advisor informed me I'd have to re-take English 101 again and another course, as it had been 10 years since I took those classes. If I had known that, I would have finished up sooner! I pretty much took classes from professors I liked, like Bruce McGrew, and Tobias. I really didn't need a BFA as I wasn't changing careers. It was a hobby. The only time I had a problem, was with the female grad student who was my advisor. She arrived 45 min late for an appointment I made with her, then accused me of not telling time. I complained to the department and Bruce, who got after her. It was her last semester, and I was under the impression everyone was happy to see her go! Five years later, our interior designer brought an expensive painting of hers to our home, to see if we'd like it, and I told him to take it out of the house...(a polite: get that crap outta here) It was some "no talent FLOWER imitation" of OKeefe. You really need to treat people decently, particularily in a small community. | |
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sammij said: i had been working my ass off all last year and this year to prepare some work for applications into this gallery residency that my school has hooked up...
...and i spent hours on my application, and i was proud of it... and was convinced, confident, that i'd get in.. ...the chair of the department gave me the bad news 10 minutes ago. i didn't get in. she claims i'm not ready yet - but i see some of who got into the program, and i wonder. it just so happens that she's one of my profs too (the chair of the department) and has had it out for me since about a month ago. no reason at all - but there's a change in her how she interacts with me. not that i'm blaming that on my failiure.. i just...
i worked so hard, you know? and i can't talk to anyone here at home about it because they just. don't . CARE. nor do they bother to try and understand. sorry, as you were. everything is nothing. I re-read this. Do you HAVE to work through the art department to get a residency? If you live in a big city, can you approach galleries on your own, as an art student, and see if you can be in the same learning environment ? As a paid assistant, gofer, volunteer? Do you have any connections: gallery owners, friends who could recommend you, even for a weekend type job? Is anyone going to look at your transcript and think "I'll hire her based on the residency" vs having the same work experience? There may be other ways of acheiving the same goal...  | |
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xplnyrslf said: sammij said: i had been working my ass off all last year and this year to prepare some work for applications into this gallery residency that my school has hooked up...
...and i spent hours on my application, and i was proud of it... and was convinced, confident, that i'd get in.. ...the chair of the department gave me the bad news 10 minutes ago. i didn't get in. she claims i'm not ready yet - but i see some of who got into the program, and i wonder. it just so happens that she's one of my profs too (the chair of the department) and has had it out for me since about a month ago. no reason at all - but there's a change in her how she interacts with me. not that i'm blaming that on my failiure.. i just...
i worked so hard, you know? and i can't talk to anyone here at home about it because they just. don't . CARE. nor do they bother to try and understand. sorry, as you were. everything is nothing. I re-read this. Do you HAVE to work through the art department to get a residency? If you live in a big city, can you approach galleries on your own, as an art student, and see if you can be in the same learning environment ? As a paid assistant, gofer, volunteer? Do you have any connections: gallery owners, friends who could recommend you, even for a weekend type job? Is anyone going to look at your transcript and think "I'll hire her based on the residency" vs having the same work experience? There may be other ways of acheiving the same goal... INDEED  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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well, in regards to the whole thing i'll look into it in september... face it new and fresh.
i don't want to be bitter going about it right now... thanks, all  [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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Einstein falied math....
Dudley - the man that developed the Black Hair Care product line of the same name, was diagnosed as retarded in his youth. Right now you are allowing someone to determine your worth and your value. If you know what you can do, there will be some other avenue that will help you in the same fashion. It's hard, but rejection is part of the game. Your mark will never transcend your mind set...remember that. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: Einstein falied math....
Dudley - the man that developed the Black Hair Care product line of the same name, was diagnosed as retarded in his youth. Right now you are allowing someone to determine your worth and your value. If you know what you can do, there will be some other avenue that will help you in the same fashion. It's hard, but rejection is part of the game. Your mark will never transcend your mind set...remember that. right now, in this moment, no one has determined my worth and my value but myself, and i'm a good artist.. i agree at first i let it happen, but having given it a few days, that mindset has changed. thanks for the insight though [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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I say keep doing what you think is right for you. It always sucks to hear those words that impact a future, but don't stop.. I see it as a bump in a road.. you'll get where your going cause it all happens for a reason. What that reason is, well.. that is for you to figure out. Sometimes things like this makes us stronger.. I've failed plenty at what I do, but I get back up and keep moving.. and I try not to let it get me down, cause once that happens it is like you're creating a ceiling on your future.. don't do that. Keep it up and you'll succeed. | |
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they should have told you why. and I'd be screamin to be included in a special program of some sort like they were saying earlier.
chin up kid! | |
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Sdldawn said: I say keep doing what you think is right for you. It always sucks to hear those words that impact a future, but don't stop.. I see it as a bump in a road.. you'll get where your going cause it all happens for a reason. What that reason is, well.. that is for you to figure out. Sometimes things like this makes us stronger.. I've failed plenty at what I do, but I get back up and keep moving.. and I try not to let it get me down, cause once that happens it is like you're creating a ceiling on your future.. don't do that. Keep it up and you'll succeed.
thank you i'm going to keep working forward and up [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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KidaSaurusRx said: they should have told you why. and I'd be screamin to be included in a special program of some sort like they were saying earlier.
chin up kid! true, in this department though, your every move is watched, so i'll keep quiet and continue to blow minds... make them regret not accepting me. 
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*big hugs*
I know it hurts. I've been in your shoes in a situation that wasn't the same, but, similar in a sense. However I've seen your work and lemme tell ya, they aren't ready for you. If this so called esteemed professor is using her status to be petty and not let you in, it will get to her someday. Telling you that you "aren't ready" is an awful excuse. That's something you tell a child, not an adult who is trying to make their way in life. Don't let her or the fact that you didn't get it stop you. What you do is wonderful and has a purpose. I can see heart, soul, and rich colors in your works. You don't seem like a bitter person. If anything, this will more than likely inspire you. Life in all its ups and downs tends to inspire artists and writers. (*points to self* writer over here. woop!) It's their loss, your time to go on ahead with life and shine like a beautiful star.
 Shine, baby, shiiiiine!!
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Sorry to hear that love....don't give up..hang in there | |
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LadyLuvSexxy said: *big hugs*
I know it hurts. I've been in your shoes in a situation that wasn't the same, but, similar in a sense. However I've seen your work and lemme tell ya, they aren't ready for you. If this so called esteemed professor is using her status to be petty and not let you in, it will get to her someday. Telling you that you "aren't ready" is an awful excuse. That's something you tell a child, not an adult who is trying to make their way in life. Don't let her or the fact that you didn't get it stop you. What you do is wonderful and has a purpose. I can see heart, soul, and rich colors in your works. You don't seem like a bitter person. If anything, this will more than likely inspire you. Life in all its ups and downs tends to inspire artists and writers. (*points to self* writer over here. woop!) It's their loss, your time to go on ahead with life and shine like a beautiful star.
Shine, baby, shiiiiine!!
Make those moves, blow those minds. i agree, it was a shit excuse, and all my friends (who also didn't get in) got the same reasoning...  we know we what we're capable of, and might even set up our own kind of workspace or something.. we'll prevail.
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Ocean said: Sorry to hear that love....don't give up..hang in there
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CalhounSq said: sammij said: lovey dovey shit
thanks hun , i guess i'm just seeing it as a failiure, i know my parents aren't too happy - eventhough they don't even know what it's for because they've never cared to listen
i think i'll be fine It's NOT a failure - it's the universe directing you to where you're supposed to be. Keep pushin' Exactly! Every forced decision the universe made on my behalf, like ditching the black hole that was my last car or the emotional vampire that was my ex, turned out to be good things and lead me to better places that universal stuff is never easy to understand when you're in the vortex but once you've landed you'll see you didn't want to stay in the rathole you were in before 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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