xplnyrslf said:

ive posted the email, its a few posts back
there's nothing i can do, all decisions are final and non-negotiable, unless of course you got in and for whatever reason, you did not want to go ahead with it

sammij said:

Your e-mail was this post?
If you ask me, they're getting off too easy....
"Define "ready"".....via e-mail preferably. One of the things I've discovered, is no one wants to put anything in writing, if they can help it. As impersonal as an e-mail can be, it's still in black and white. (Clear and specific, or not)

YEARS? Maybe this is your stimulus to look at other opportunities.
I'm not talking hasty decisions, take your time.
I'd still nail them down on being encouraged, then declined.

You may not think this, but you deserve an explanation. And those who made this decision, have that responsibility. Consider it a learning experience. "How can I do better?"
Unless this is a "fly by the seat of your pants" organization, there must be set criteria and standards.
[Edited 5/8/08 22:24pm]

xplnyrslf said:

No, it was not that post.

Jean

has said:

sammij said:[quote]

xplnyrslf said:

Oh sweet jesus.....You want me to dissect that e-mail???
Where do I begin???
This is a bunch of blather. I'll post a response, you're probably not going to want to send.....give me a moment...

xplnyrslf said:

well i won't want to make things worse, will i?
i realize what the email is, i deal with this woman on a daily basis..
anything i say will be misconstrued anyway.

sammij said:

I am so sorry Sammi.

I'm so sorry, Sammi. Art is such a personal thing too - it's not like working for a math scholarship or a teaching fellowship (not that those are easier, it's just a different type of work). As you know, I'm in art school right now too, so I understand how it's hard to not take these things personally because your art is such an intimate expression of yourself.
I agree with xplnyrslf's advice - go and ask your advisors what you can do to nail it for next time. This isn't over.

Sammi!


Girl, I know you're feeling down now, but you are so talented and I know that you're gonna do big things in the future. You can do it. Things will get better.



BIG

Stymie said:

thank you hun

applekisses said:

well, it's over, where brock is concerned
it's a 4th year course and i'm entering 4th year next year, (which is what i had applied for) so there really isn't a next time

as to how to be "ready" ? well i dont know anymore considering i thought i was for sure going to get accepted...

but thank you and to be honest, i had no idea you were in art school!

JessieJ said:

ohh jess... thank you (as the night drags on, i feel sadder and sadder... perhaps i should just sleep)

i hope things start to turn around soon, like really soon - i need to forget about this whole thing

This is a letter you do not want to send>>>>>humor aside:

Dear Jean,
I appreciate your response, and regret your lack of support. Clearly, I misunderstood my readiness. Particularly, in an intensive self-defined critically engaged (WTF?) studio. What is a “critically engaged studio” in the first place? Critical towards each other?, towards our art?, other’s art?
Obviously, my interests weren’t clear, nor had substance. In what way? Could you send me an example of a successful application, so I know what it is, you want to hear?
Regarding the “relatively mature” work that stimulated the committee, the “variety of levels” of stimulation is kind of intimidating. It smacks of: “I like THAT one? I don’t know why! I just do!” In order for me to present work that hits the proper stimulation level I need to know what it is I need to stimulate…….
Sooo……..”high level of research and integration of discursive ideas with focused and sustained artistic practice”: What are you saying? I’m not focused? This isn’t ROCKET SCIENCE! Get a grip!!! It’s ART! And you don’t get mine! Fine.
I’m not bitter. I’ll enjoy my time in Thematic challenges in Integrated media (vs Nonintegrated Media) or ADVANCED DRAWING???? You can’t be serious. This is rather insulting. Nevermind.
Could you please e-mail me with more details about my lack of readiness. You just seem to have sent me the pre-printed version of declinations. Put in a little more effort, and show me a mature rejection with a little more research, and focus.

Eagerly awaiting your response,
Sammi
[Edited 5/8/08 22:27pm]

that really sucks, I am sorry to hear that.

I did not get accepted into the degree course I wanted to do, had to accept my second preference, and my BF at the time got into the one I wanted the year after. I could have declined the offer, done the extra TOP year like my bf, and applied again, but I wanted to get it over and done with - I finished with all school 2 years ahead of him, but he got the better qual.

Having said that, down the line many more opportunities present themselves and you just have to take them when they come. They will.

I wouldn't be going in all confrontational like xplnyrslf is suggesting (and I know she is joking ) these people may be very helpful to you later down the track!

Awwwww sweetie! I'm so sorry to hear that



Just remember all of the success you will have in the future.

I am very sorry . You are talented and you are passionate about what you are doing, so it's very natural that t hurts being rejected . But it won't stop you living your dream, so be strong .

PaisleyPark5083 said:

its all good, but thanks

ZombieKitten said:

that really does suck, especially because it was someone close to you

i'm just keeping the faith... i hope something actually will turn up.

ThreadCula said:

thanks luv (good to see you!)

Serious said:

thank you

AWWW baby that sucks I am sorry that it turned out this way for you. Confrontation and humor aside xplnyrslf has a good point. You need to go to the other profs and find out what you needed to do to be successful. Leave that old Jean alone she is obviously not in your corner and means you detriment, but she has created a doubt for you in your mind about the validity of your art and your hard work. Those of us in academia know that there are so many egos there and the saying "those that can't, Teach" rings true so often. This biddy may know that you want to teach and feels like if you were in that program it would be wasted since your ambition isn't as pure as she deems it should be.

Go to the other profs, ask them what you need to do to get to the level of the Honor's studio and then work to that standard regardless of where you do the work it will show. Plus the word will get to the Biddy that she did not break you. Go forward and make the best of this, don't doubt your talent, integrity or drive, even though you don't think you have, you have given "Jean" power in your life when all she really has is perceived power, the difference is in what you do with it.
Stay focused baby!!
peace and blessings

Honey, don't give up. Sometimes when things like this happen you have to push harder. It sucks though. I think it makes you stronger.

Hang in there love.

We do care.

xxoo

butterfli25 said:

thank you
unfortunately, most if not all profs are off or gone because it's the spring/summer season
it'll have to wait until september...

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

merci,

sammij said:

ive never understood that, why leave as ppl are getting results/news etc.



any issues, that can be resolved then and there can be left to fester over a long holiday period.

anyway.....
as miguel said, this can only make u stronger

prb said:

thank you

Sorry girlie I know it feels like hell now but I believe everything happens for a reason

Years ago when I was applying to grad school I didn't get in the first time. So I went to the school to find out what I needed to do to make myself a more appealing applicant. They told me about some summer classes to take, so I did those. & the next year I applied again, but the program had been frozen (no new applicants) b/c they were revamping it The THIRD time I applied, I finally got in & here's what's great about the delay that I couldn't see @ the time - had I got in the first year my class would have been a bunch of assholes who couldn't work together & didn't give a shit about each other, they were snipey bastards. But the class I ended up with the year I got in had some of the most amazing people I've ever met in my LIFE It was a collaborative field & we all supported each other, respected each others opinions & strengths & it was just a really wonderful learning/growing experience. Most of us keep in touch to this day & try to gather once a year when folks are in town. Many of us have stayed the course & pursued our passions in one way or another...

Now maybe you're not looking for all that friendship/lovey dovey shit but I'm just trying to point out that your path could lead you to something great without you necessarily knowing it. Hang in there & keep pushing, you'll get to where you wanna be

Sammi everything happens for a reason, I know it's cliche but it's true! There's something better out there for you, even though you may not think so right now. Keep working hard and it'll pay off. Now go have a stiff cocktail!

sammij said:

It really does, and I've been in similar situations as you. The hurt and resentment of academic politics had crippled me academically for 2 years. It's only at this very moment that I'm picking up the pieces and moving on (see my "GRE" thread). Please try not to let this happen to you. As stated you, nor I, have lost talent. But I lost time. Be better than me.

And hang in there.

CalhounSq said:

lovey dovey shit
thanks hun , i guess i'm just seeing it as a failiure, i know my parents aren't too happy - eventhough they don't even know what it's for because they've never cared to listen

i think i'll be fine