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PrintableIceNine said: Did you ever notice that if you substituted "Good Fairies" for god and "Wicked Trolls" for satan, the bible would just be another fairy tale?
... [This message was edited Fri Nov 1 10:17:17 PST 2002 by IceNine] Sure, but if you did the same for a whole lot of actual historical stories, you'd get the same results. 
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JediMaster said: IceNine said: Did you ever notice that if you substituted "Good Fairies" for god and "Wicked Trolls" for satan, the bible would just be another fairy tale?
... [This message was edited Fri Nov 1 10:17:17 PST 2002 by IceNine] Sure, but if you did the same for a whole lot of actual historical stories, you'd get the same results. Damn it!!! You are right...  SUPERJOINT RITUAL - http://www.superjointritual.com
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Thecherryloon said: SensualMelody said: A wise man once said: "A little learning is a dangerous thing. Drink deep, or drink not..." wasn't that Yoda? Thanks for your comments though Melody. No, that was "do or do not, there is no try," but you're close.  | |
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JediMaster said: A lot of perfectly stated viewpoints...
Well said, Jedi...I think that, overall, not enough people respect the soul-searching process of spiritual discovery... By the way, Cherryloon, there are a multitude of ways to jumpstart a debate that don't require insults and disrespect...one great way is by coming up with a worthwhile topic...  | |
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Thecherryloon said: Do you deluded fools accept Dinosaurs existed?
I caught the end of a fascinating debate and some religious bumpkin was making out the Earth is only a few thousand years old, and that things such as dinosaurs never existed.He came across as a brainwashed idiot.Don't you people realise The Bible is a work of fiction? I'll bet in 2000 years they'll be digging issues of Superman out of the sand and thinking the exact same thing as followers of the Bible.Mark my words! What the hell are these people on?! 
P.S. i do believe in a God.Just not a man made one, or one i've had my arm twisted to believe in.There probably is a higher being of some kind somewhere laughing at all you idiots. [This message was edited Fri Nov 1 6:06:19 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] this is what happens when ppl depend on HUMANS 4 answers. We need 2 stop listening 2 humans and THEIR views, THEIR thoughts, THEIR beliefs, THEIR hypothesis... This is why the Catholic Church is going down the toilet... HUMANS create a religion, religion goes 2 the top of the food chain, food chain crumbles becuz religion made HUMANS into saints that are not allowed 2 have sex therefore they become perverse horny child molesters... and then atheists say "look eye told u so!" When u want the truth pick up the Bible and ask God 4 guidance ... if u ask with faith,and hunger 4 the truth he will answer, if you ask as if u "know it all" and can't take instruction than don't even bother. The bible clearly states how the world is created... Gen 1... READ IT | |
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RaneStarr said: religion made HUMANS into saints that are not allowed 2 have sex therefore they become perverse horny child molesters...
Um, celebacy doesn't cause child molestation...arrested emotional development does, among other things...whatever causes someone to molest a child occurred way before they ever became priests in any church of any religion... | |
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wellbeyond said: RaneStarr said: religion made HUMANS into saints that are not allowed 2 have sex therefore they become perverse horny child molesters...
Um, celebacy doesn't cause child molestation...arrested emotional development does, among other things...whatever causes someone to molest a child occurred way before they ever became priests in any church of any religion... Why is the church such a haven for child molesters? the abuse of trust is an abomination.I think these people intentionally seek out this work.It's a shame, though i don't follow an organised religion, if i wanted to, things like this would more than likely put me off sending my kids to church. | |
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although a lot of comments from here come from the bible, have u anything to share from the torah or the quran? | |
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wellbeyond said: RaneStarr said: religion made HUMANS into saints that are not allowed 2 have sex therefore they become perverse horny child molesters...
Um, celebacy doesn't cause child molestation...arrested emotional development does, among other things...whatever causes someone to molest a child occurred way before they ever became priests in any church of any religion... eye believe it does, 4 the simple fact that humans r weak and when u deprive a human of something it's body NEEDS the devil works his way n2 those weaknesses and he works diligently 2 break u and make u n2 a completely frustrated pervert... Now the bible states, that those who can be without sex should because then ur mind is free to worship God without distractions, but if you cannot than u must marry so the devil doesn't tempt u n2 sin... it also states that in a marriage a couple cannot deprive themselves of sex Example- (in an argument) because... again, the devil will come between the couple 2 temp them and break them apart. | |
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Thecherryloon said: Why is the church such a haven for child molesters? the abuse of trust is an abomination.I think these people intentionally seek out this work.It's a shame, though i don't follow an organised religion, if i wanted to, things like this would more than likely put me off sending my kids to church. Because the devil is a smart and devious creature who preys on those who's initial intention was 2 follow the word of God, break them, expose their faults, and humiliate the word of God. | |
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SensualMelody said:
[/quote] [b][i]Don't you realize that whatever program you were listening to was just a PROGRAM?...just somebody's opinions? O.K. Fine, and don't you realise that the bible that you read is just a book? Just somebody's opinions? And rather old fashioned opinions at that. And as for the stuff in the book of revalation, well it seems to me all those guys were trippin' their asses off. what a load of bollox. BLIND faith, eh! | |
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...and remember folks, god spelt backwards is dog,
someone should tell P to put THAT in one of his songs! | |
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subyduby said: although a lot of comments from here come from the bible, have u anything to share from the torah or the quran?
the only thing i know about the Koran/quran is it hasn't been altered, edited bent or mangled like the Bible.Nothing has been changed, ever. alot of muslims are very proud of that fact.Unfortunately there are a few fanatical Muslims who choose to interpret it incorrectly and want to wreak havoc. | |
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tommyalma said: Hey, cherryloon, is it cold where you live under a foot bridge?
And most creationists believe man and the dinosaurs co-existed. Hey, I read about this one Prince fan who saved a sand dollar for 20 years only to have Prince break it...what the hell are those people on? . . . [This message was edited Fri Nov 1 6:23:56 PST 2002 by tommyalma] Didn't spot this til now.But Dinosaurs and man co-existing?! HAHAHAHA! 
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Wow, the absurdity of religion runs a close second to believing in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy. Yet I accept that some people need religion to make sense of this complex world and universe. I won't try to change those minds with satirical posts on the org.
Religion or spirituality is obviously a widely held human experience. It comes from our minds, like some byproduct of our ability for abstraction, memory, and complex reasoning. Some human brains seem to have a lot of spiritual gray matter, mine has precious little. I'm interested by the exaggerated religious experiences of many schizophrenics - my guess is that the experience of religion is located in the same area of the brain that is damaged in that disorder. No big deal. I don't need (or really want) the prospect or promise of eternal life to solidify or complete my existence. When I die, it will be much like that time before I was born. It's hard to fear that. Just for fun, imagine the utter ridiculousness of "heaven." The Mormon version is my favorite - it's an actual planet where people go, having assumed their perfect human form, and spend eternity with their earthly spouse. I'm not sure what happens to dead babies, gays, conjoined twins, etc. The great thing about heaven is that to imagine it, you don't have to sweat the details. Just imagine a perfect place, free of conflict, needs, wants or desires (probably no sex or decent wine). Are there group sessions? What are the sleeping arrangements? I could go on and on, but the religious would think I'm making fun of them. In a way, I am, yet I'm really trying to say that if it works for you - terrific - but for those of us who have developed the nonreligious parts of the brain, don't bother knocking on our doors. "When they tell me 2 walk a straight line, I put on crooked shoes" | |
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Here's how I see it:
If a young child asks you a question such as why is the sky blue,or where do babies come from,or what happens when you die-you wouldn't give them a straight forward answer. You would elaborate and tell them a story that is somewhat rooted in truth but it's made simple for the child to understand.Most parents tell their kids the stork brings babies to their mommies. We are all God's children,and the Bible is His story to us about the world and how he made it.He knew that we would discover His animals the Dinosaurs,but it would take time.The Bible are stories made simple for us to undersatnd,but when we grow up as children do we will come to understand what He really meant.  My name is BISCUIT...and I am funky!  | |
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Cloudbuster said: SensualMelody said:
Don't you realize that whatever program you were listening to was just a PROGRAM?...just somebody's opinions? O.K. Fine, and don't you realise that the bible that you read is just a book? Just somebody's opinions? And rather old fashioned opinions at that. And as for the stuff in the book of revalation, well it seems to me all those guys were trippin' their asses off. what a load of bollox. BLIND faith, eh![/quote] Melody said: Sorry, but the Bible is not "just a book". Here are some facts of which you may not be aware:
(a) 40 human secretaries over 16 centuries were used to compile this book. (do you know of any other book which 1600 years were required to write...by people who did not live in the same place/time in history) with no opportunity for collusion. Yet their writings agree, even in the smallest detail.Remarkable! Personal study is necessary for full appreciation of this. (b) The Bible foretold events that would take place to the letter hundreds of years before they happened.(You must research this to see.) (c) The Bible had scientific data accurately recorded many years before scientists recognized certain truths. Example Isaiah recorded that the shape of the earth was round 200 years before Greek philosophers reasoned that the earth was logically spherical. Another example: the Bible called the hare a chewer of the cud, an idea which was long attacked by scientists until the rabbit's cud-chewing habits were finally observed by William Cowper in the 18th century. (d) Even though the Bible is very, very old, the scriptures read like today's headlines.(especially if you invest in one that uses today's English). Cloudbuster, please do not view this as an attempt to defend the Bible. It needs no defense from me. It stands up to any scrutiny...what can I say?...Take time to scrutinize before you criticize?...hey I like that! Take time to scrutinize before you criticize So...how's everybody doing? | |
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Janeau said: Nobody really knows what happend , Nobody really knows how life started. All we do is guess.
Yes! who knows ?? "Hyperactive when I was small, Hyperactive now I'm grown, Hyperactive 'till I'm dead and gone"
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will somebody please explain why the Bible has been edited, why are there portions missing? who decided these things are not fit (or too scary?) for us mere mortals to read?
why can't the so called "facts" (as Sensualmelody puts it) be presented to the world in it's entirety?  [This message was edited Fri Nov 1 15:03:27 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] | |
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Cloudbuster said: ...and remember folks, god spelt backwards is dog,
someone should tell P to put THAT in one of his songs! Is there some logical or intelligent argument being made here? 
Here are some more: dad spelled backawards is dad mom spelled backwards is mom pop ---pop poop---poop Am I making any sense? Surely y'all see the logic. How can you possibly be so naive? See, my mom and my dad got together and they made me...a tot tot spelled backwards is tot. Then when pop (dad) changed my diaper, he was sad to see the poop...(spelled backwards...poop). Mom was equally sad to smell the poop. So they vowed not to have another tot. Now do you believe???  I guess not.Disclaimer: this was merely an attempt at diversion. Please do not attempt to start a new religion based on backward spellings...  So...how's everybody doing? | |
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Thecherryloon said: will somebody please explain why the Bible has been edited, why are there portions missing? who decided these things are not fit (or too scary?) for us mere mortals to read?
why can't the so called "facts" (as Sensualmelody puts it) be presented to the world in it's entirety?
[This message was edited Fri Nov 1 15:03:27 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] A better question: Could you explain what you are talking about? When the Dead Scrolls were unearthed by archeologists just a few years ago, all kinds of experts were convened and commissioned to study these ancient copies of the scriptures. Some of these dated all the way back to near the time of Christ. These experts were not "believers" but scientists from all areas of study. There were also noted Greek and Hebrew scholars involved in the study. When the results were reported on the news, in the newspapers, in documentaries, and in magazines and books, the overwhelming consensus was that the Bible has come down to us essentially unchanged. So what portions were left out? What was changed? What do you mean by "edited"? You do know that the original scrolls were Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, right? The Bible has been translated into over 200 modern languages... without confusion of thought across these languages. That itself is a modern day miracle. Peace So...how's everybody doing? | |
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SensualMelody said: Thecherryloon said: will somebody please explain why the Bible has been edited, why are there portions missing? who decided these things are not fit (or too scary?) for us mere mortals to read?
why can't the so called "facts" (as Sensualmelody puts it) be presented to the world in it's entirety?
[This message was edited Fri Nov 1 15:03:27 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] A better question: Could you explain what you are talking about? When the Dead Scrolls were unearthed by archeologists just a few years ago, all kinds of experts were convened and commissioned to study these ancient copies of the scriptures. Some of these dated all the way back to near the time of Christ. These experts were not "believers" but scientists from all areas of study. There were also noted Greek and Hebrew scholars involved in the study. When the results were reported on the news, in the newspapers, in documentaries, and in magazines and books, the overwhelming consensus was that the Bible has come down to us essentially unchanged. So what portions were left out? What was changed? What do you mean by "edited"? You do know that the original scrolls were Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, right? The Bible has been translated into over 200 modern languages... without confusion of thought across these languages. That itself is a modern day miracle. Peace Well i've heard different OK, i can't remember the source, perhaps it was the Catholic church that is responsible, i can't remember, but then again my life is not guided or dominated by some hokey instruction manual unlike you.It is what i've heard, on many programmes and documentaries.What you suffer from is blind faith. Granted, you know a lot about the Bible, but try studying from another angle, not just one of pure devotion.Heck, try a google search on it.Information pertaining to missing segments of the Bible is out there.Don't be so dismissive. your last two sentences were interesting.At the Aftershow in Ireland Prince held up two bibles (one was his) and asked why were they different? i'd say that was confusing. | |
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Lost books of the bible? try http://www.bibleufo.com/a...tbooks.htm or http://www.bible.org/docs...ParentID=0
well, well, well.
On the second link i especially like how the first question starts with "How should we respond to?..." says it all really...sheep.  [This message was edited Fri Nov 1 16:01:21 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] | |
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Thecherryloon said: vgallo6 said: Im a christian and i believe there were Dinosaurs. How do you explain the bones and stuff. In the book of Job God talks about animals and He describes some very strange animals that we believe to be dinosaurs.
ps. i didnt have my arm twisted into believing what i believe. Before i became a Christian i didnt want anything to do with God. God drew me to him and i have faith in him. Heck...even unbelievers live by faith everyday i believe they just don't want to believe. I was there myselfe once. How did God drive you to him exactly? What can you do now that you couldn't do before discovering God? mmm? God drew me to him by using one of His people to encourage me to read the Bible. There were many times in my life where God also protected me and kept me from destroying my life. I learned alot of lessons during that time and when His timing for me came before i really blew it He stepped in when i finally trusted in Him. He doesnt force Himself on anyone (maybe some of His people do) He wants us to love him. It wouldnt be true love if He forced Himself on us and controlled us like puppets. I didnt discover God He is always revealing Himself. Since i put my faith and trust in Him i know what my purpose in life is and where im going when i die. Purpose: to glorify Him because what He's done for me. Sending His son to die in my place. Where im going when i die: New Heaven and new earth. Thats just my own testimony. Every Christian has there own. Icenine! You crack me up! lol Peace and Love! | |
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Thecherryloon said: Lost books of the bible? try http://www.bibleufo.com/a...tbooks.htm or http://www.bible.org/docs...ParentID=0
well, well, well.
On the second link i especially like how the first question starts with "How should we respond to?..." says it all really...sheep.
[This message was edited Fri Nov 1 16:01:21 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] I hope you God folk take the time to look at those links.Of course you'll always have an answer to anything that challenges your blinkered views. | |
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Thecherryloon said: Lost books of the bible? try http://www.bibleufo.com/a...tbooks.htm
well, well, well.
[This message was edited Fri Nov 1 15:50:47 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] Hey Tcl, we should have just talked on the phone...
The 2 bibles held up by Prince featured an older translation...King James (translated in 1611 in the King's English and the New World Translation (translated around 1950 in modern English). The New World Translation was again updated in 1984, benefitting from the Biblia Hebraica Styttgartensia of 1977. Additionally, the Dead Sea Scrolls and numerous early translations into other languages were consulted. For the Christian Greek scriptures, the Master Greek text of 1881 as prepared by Westcott and Hort was used primarily, but several other mastertexts were consulted. So contrary to what some may think, the Bible has not been neglected by modern scientists nor scholars. An ongoing challenge is being met to keep the truth up with the changing expressions of society...so that true meanings will not be lost over time. So for those who cling to older translations, that's fine. Keep them, but please keep up with the updated versions. This is one of the reasons Prince is always urging people to read a modern translation, for better understanding. So instead of words like maketh, we have makes; spake=spoke; hearken=listen; sod pottage=made some stew; begat=fathered. See what I'm saying? Tcl, you cautioned me to not be so dismissive. Thank you. Same to you, friend. I am constantly researching and trying to learn more. So...how's everybody doing? | |
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Aaaah...the anger, the frustration, the name-calling, the disrespectful disagreeing, the self-righteousness, the amazing grandiosity of believing oneself to be the posessor of "the truth"...I thrive off of all of this Negativity. Lovely stuff... | |
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Thecherryloon said: Thecherryloon said: Lost books of the bible? try http://www.bibleufo.com/a...tbooks.htm or http://www.bible.org/docs...ParentID=0
well, well, well.
On the second link i especially like how the first question starts with "How should we respond to?..." says it all really...sheep.
[This message was edited Fri Nov 1 16:01:21 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] I hope you God folk take the time to look at those links.Of course you'll always have an answer to anything that challenges your blinkered views. While I try those links...(I guess I'm a God folk). you try this one: The Bible from Genesis to Revelation: read it yourself now. Sheep or Goats...that is the question. Have a beautiful night. I gotta go live a little more fully. Melody So...how's everybody doing? | |
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SensualMelody said: Thecherryloon said: Thecherryloon said: Lost books of the bible? try http://www.bibleufo.com/a...tbooks.htm or http://www.bible.org/docs...ParentID=0
well, well, well.
On the second link i especially like how the first question starts with "How should we respond to?..." says it all really...sheep.
[This message was edited Fri Nov 1 16:01:21 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] I hope you God folk take the time to look at those links.Of course you'll always have an answer to anything that challenges your blinkered views. While I try those links...(I guess I'm a God folk). you try this one: The Bible from Genesis to Revelation: read it yourself now. Sheep or Goats...that is the question. Have a beautiful night. I gotta go live a little more fully. Melody Was that a parting shot? i normally have a full life, unfortunately i have a broken leg at the moment, so i'm a bit immobilised.No doubt God's taught me some kind of lesson! BTW i prefer goats, they're funny as hell when they eat your underpants off the washing line.I used to have one on the farm when i was a kid. | |
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Thecherryloon said: SensualMelody said: Thecherryloon said: will somebody please explain why the Bible has been edited, why are there portions missing? who decided these things are not fit (or too scary?) for us mere mortals to read?
why can't the so called "facts" (as Sensualmelody puts it) be presented to the world in it's entirety?
[This message was edited Fri Nov 1 15:03:27 PST 2002 by Thecherryloon] A better question: Could you explain what you are talking about? When the Dead Scrolls were unearthed by archeologists just a few years ago, all kinds of experts were convened and commissioned to study these ancient copies of the scriptures. Some of these dated all the way back to near the time of Christ. These experts were not "believers" but scientists from all areas of study. There were also noted Greek and Hebrew scholars involved in the study. When the results were reported on the news, in the newspapers, in documentaries, and in magazines and books, the overwhelming consensus was that the Bible has come down to us essentially unchanged. So what portions were left out? What was changed? What do you mean by "edited"? You do know that the original scrolls were Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, right? The Bible has been translated into over 200 modern languages... without confusion of thought across these languages. That itself is a modern day miracle. Peace Well i've heard different OK, i can't remember the source *** If you can't even remember the source it hardly makes your comments credible does it?*** , perhaps it was the Catholic church that is responsible, i can't remember, but then again my life is not guided or dominated by some hokey instruction manual unlike you. ***A 'hokey instruction manual'? That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, that does not answer the question on where you have recieved the information from. Have you ever even read or researched the Bible before condemning it? I can assure you it is much deeper than an 'instruction manual'. Do you seriously believe that a mere 'instruction manual' would have had this much historical and resounding affect on humankind?*** It is what i've heard, on many programmes and documentaries.What you suffer from is blind faith. ***Perhaps you suffer from 'blind faith' in programmes and documentaries. Do you bother to use your own initative before attacking others for their faith?*** Granted, you know a lot about the Bible, but try studying from another angle, not just one of pure devotion.Heck, try a google search on it.Information pertaining to missing segments of the Bible is out there.Don't be so dismissive. ***Who said that Sensual's conclusions originated purely from 'devotion? Yet more conjecture.*** your last two sentences were interesting.At the Aftershow in Ireland Prince held up two bibles (one was his) and asked why were they different? i'd say that was confusing. ***They were different translations. If you knew so much about the Bible from documentaries and programmes then you'd already know about this.*** Peace. [This message was edited Fri Nov 1 17:44:23 PST 2002 by Mr7] | |
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